The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[Agnostic75]

The veil is part of the hijab. Hijab is not just the veil a girl puts to cover her head. It is about not showing her beauty to men.


Anyways let me answer your question from the Quran.

33:59 O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

That does not say anything about women covering their heads.

 

[Sabour]

In the very first post I typed: The veil is a choice. Every woman has the right to decide whether to wear the veil or not.
So I am absolutely happy if a woman wears the veil. Because it's her choice.



precisely. that's my point. Given that all women are different, there are women who like to be watched and to seduce men.
as well as there are women who don't like to be watched: that's why they wear the veil.
but an Islamic woman has the right to choose.
and in fact lots of Islamic women don't wear the veil, wear sexy clothes and makeup

Many muslim women doing it doesn't say if it is a must or not in Islam.

The only way to do this is by studying Islam because not all called muslims are muslims. The true muslim is the practicing muslim. Not the born into it

 

[Estro Felino]

[1 Corinthians. 11:5]
But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonours
her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will
not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is
disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.

well...we Christians decontextualize the Bible. and we understand that Paul came from a sexist culture.
all Christian priests say that Paul's teachings do not stand for our culture.
Paul also says that women mustn't have the right to speak in assemblies.

and all the Christians know that it has to be taken out of context.

 

[ametist]

Well...but love is not like friendship. Friends converse. Love is about passion and romance, not certainly about conversation.
There are women who enjoy seducing the man they like, so he will kiss them.
It's like a seduction game...

by the way...that's what beauty is for. People (including me) always check themselves out and take care of their looks because they like being watched.

yes, there are women who like to seduce men and there are men who like to seduce women. my mission is to question and try to understand if that's the best way to start or have my relationship with a man under the guidelines quran gave me.

what is beauty for is a real vast subject. i hope we cant discuss that later. my battery is running low.

 

[Sabour]

That does not say anything about women covering their heads.

24:31

And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.

 

[Looncall]

I doubt that God would have waited for tens of thousands of years to tell his followers that women should cover most of their bodies. Muhammad was just stating his own personal opinion.

In some remote areas of South America, where it is very hot, men and women do not wear any clothes, and have not worn any clothes for centuries, and there is nothing wrong with that.

This is a very cogent observation and refutes the muslim stuff about not tempting men. If muslim men were not taught to regard women as livestock, there would be no need for veiling. I gather that muslim men are apt to rape when living among non-muslims. The notorious sexual harassment in Egypt seems related too.

 

[Sabour]

well...we Christians decontextualize the Bible. and we understand that Paul came from a sexist culture.
all Christian priests say that Paul's teachings do not stand for our culture.
Paul also says that women mustn't have the right to speak in assemblies.

and all the Christians know that it has to be taken out of context.

I don't think you can differentiate between what part is Paul's and what part is not.


Besides I don't see how someone can say what you said. It is like choosing what one wants to follow and what he doesn't want to

 

[Sabour]

This is a very cogent observation and refutes the muslim stuff about not tempting men. If muslim men were not taught to regard women as livestock, there would be no need for veiling. I gather that muslim men are apt to rape when living among non-muslims. The notorious sexual harassment in Egypt seems related too.

What happens in western countries regarding that aspect can't be compared to what happens in Islamic countries. The figures can't be compared. Media just overemphasizes and exaggerates things 20 times more.

 

[Agnostic75]

The veil is part of the hijab. Hijab is not just the veil a girl puts to cover her head. It is about not showing her beauty to men.

Anyways let me answer your question from the Quran.

33:59 O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

33:32-33

O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah , then do not be soft in speech [to men], lest he in whose heart is disease should covet, but speak with appropriate speech.

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification.

I doubt that God would have waited for tens of thousands of years to tell his followers that women should cover most of their bodies. Muhammad was just stating his own personal opinion.

In some remote areas of South America, where it is very hot, men and women do not wear any clothes, and have not worn any clothes for centuries, and there is nothing wrong with that.

A Muslim article at http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/the_burqa_(P1357).html says that God does not require that women cover their heads.

 

[Sabour]

I doubt that God would have waited for tens of thousands of years to tell his followers that women should cover most of their bodies. Muhammad was just stating his own personal opinion.

In some remote areas of South America, where it is very hot, men and women do not wear any clothes, and have not worn any clothes for centuries, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I already answered that from the bible

[1 Corinthians. 11:5]
But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonours
her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will
not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is
disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.

 

[Agnostic75]

I already answered that from the bible

[1 Corinthians. 11:5] But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonours her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is
disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil.

Who says that God inspired that verse?

Why doesn't the Old Testament tell Hebrew women to cover their heads?

A Muslim article at Quran-Islam.org - True Islam says that God does not require that women cover their heads.

 

[Sabour]

Who says that God inspired that verse?

Why doesn't the Old Testament tell Hebrew women to cover their heads?

An article at Quran-Islam.org - True Islam says that God does not require that women cover their heads.

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How can one follow a book if it was not God inspired or not all was true?

Not everything is written on websites is true.

In Islam when anyone claims something he has to back it up with evidence. If something is not 100 % sure about than it doesn't apply.

I have shown you the verse in the Quraan about the Hijab. When you go to the Arabic translation of the verse, it will be more evident.

However it is not our duty to make women wear Hijab ( I guess) because we were ordered to lower our gaze and not to make women wear the Hijab.

 

[Estro Felino]

Besides I don't see how someone can say what you said. It is like choosing what one wants to follow and what he doesn't want to

yes, because Paul is not God. He can say right things and wrong things
He is fallible

 

[Sabour]

yes, because Paul is not God. He can say right things and wrong things
He is fallible

I see no way one can tell which is Paul's part and which is not, or what is true and what is wrong. For like was Jesus peace be upon him crucified or not. One can extract two opposite answers, how would you know which is Paul's opinion and which is not? which is true and which is false?


Anyways back to our subject, when you picture Mary, do you picture her wearing a veil or not?

Maybe googling some pictures would help. Was that before Paul or after Paul ?

 

[Estro Felino]

I see no way one can tell which is Paul's part and which is not, or what is true and what is wrong. For like was Jesus peace be upon him crucified or not. One can extract two opposite answers, how would you know which is Paul's opinion and which is not? which is true and which is false?

we have a spirit of criticism. We ask God for enlightenment and he gives us the holy Spirit which enables to distinguish right from wrong.
besides...I can understand the veil thing...but do you really believe that the sentence "no woman shall be allowed to speak in assemblies" is inspired by God?
and yet Paul wrote it

Anyways back to our subject, when you picture Mary, do you picture her wearing a veil or not?

because those were the clothes of her historical epoch. we cannot picture her with the 21th century clothes

 

[Sabour]

we have a spirit of criticism. We ask God for enlightenment and he gives us the holy Spirit which enables to distinguish right from wrong.
besides...I can understand the veil thing...but do you really believe that the sentence "no woman shall be allowed to speak in assemblies" is inspired by God?
and yet Paul wrote it


because those were the clothes of her historical epoch. we cannot picture her with the 21th century clothes

Some things are an easy call others are not.

If you are going to ask the holy spirit for guide what is the point of having the bible?

And regarding the veil, why was it only Mary?

 

[Sabour]

I think we should look for the true answers, not for answers that fits what we want.

 

[Estro Felino]

If you are going to ask the holy spirit for guide what is the point of having the bible?

the bible was written by men, not by God.

And regarding the veil, why was it only Mary?

all the women of that period are portrayed with the veil. here, Myriam's mother, Anna, with her daughter and Jesus. 15th century painting

 

[outhouse]

How can one follow a book if it was not God inspired or not all was true?

Your book factually is not all true.

It has created a pseudohistory plagiarized from judaism and christianity.

 

[outhouse]

I think we should look for the true answers, not for answers that fits what we want.

You just implied in another thread you avoid the truth, and refuse to debate.

I think you should practice what you tell other people.

Or do not apply standards to others religions, that you do not apply to your own.