The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[Thana]

Who said that christians jews and hindus do?

They do.
They're capable and they excerise that capability everyday, That's why I can leave my home today without completely covering myself and feel comfortable and spiritually content.

Some are not strong enough and some are just sick and dirty minded.

So why do women have to cover themselves just because some men cannot control themselves? Why not make those men culpable, Not the women?

Men have desires as women do. Allah orders both men and women to lower their gaze and to help each other in doing so

If that's true, Then why do women have to cover themselves if men are supposed to lower their gaze?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

But I am referring to the wearing of the veil directly in relation to the Muslim religion.

I know. It just seems to me that the head covering for both sexes in that area originally came about as protection from the hot desert sun. I think the reasoning for making women wear it came about later. Just a theory, but it makes the most sense to me.

 

[Sabour]

Because she is a Jewish woman and that was the custom of the time in her culture. Any more dumb questions?

Wow ure nice answering

 

[Sabour]

They do.
They're capable and they excerise that capability everyday, That's why I can leave my home today without completely covering myself and feel comfortable and spiritually content.



So why do women have to cover themselves just because some men cannot control themselves? Why not make those men culpable, Not the women?



If that's true, Then why do women have to cover themselves if men are supposed to lower their gaze?

They are not capable. Do you know what runs sown their head when they see you ?

Anyways check out the rape numbers and sexual harresment statistics and tell me how that is working. Tell me about the number of children who dont know who their parents are.


I repeat there is aa dress code for both men and women. And both men and women are told to lower their gaze.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wow ure nice answering

I have a shortness of patience when it comes to some on here.

 

[Thana]

They are not capable. Do you know what runs sown their head when they see you ?

No, But what runs in their mind is their own fault and under their own control.
They just have to stop thinking of me as a sexual object and realize I'm a person.

Anyways check out the rape numbers and sexual harresment statistics and tell me how that is working. Tell me about the number of children who dont know who their parents are.

Sure.

Prevalence of Violence against women (Including Sexual violence)
Western Pacific (Where I live) - 24.6%
Eastern Mediterranean (Islam Majority) - 37.0%

Source - http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/violence/VAW_Prevelance.jpeg?ua=1

 

[Sabour]

No, But what runs in their mind is their own fault and under their own control.
They just have to stop thinking of me as a sexual object and realize I'm a person.



Sure.

Prevalence of Violence against women (Including Sexual violence)
Western Pacific (Where I live) - 24.6%
Eastern Mediterranean (Islam Majority) - 37.0%

Source - http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/violence/VAW_Prevelance.jpeg?ua=1

Good luck on the first and I don't buy the numbers on your second. We are not talking about violence. Basically some people view that a woman wearing a hijab is a sign of violence. Check the numbers in america.

 

[Agnostic75]

How can one follow a book if it was not God inspired or not all was true?

Since I am an agnostic, I do not follow any religious book.

It is very unlikely that God would wait tens of thousands of years to tell his followers that women should cover most of their bodies, so Muhammad must have been stating his own personal opinions.

When Muhammad was born, humans had already existed for tens of thousands of years. Where did people before Muhammad, and before the Old Testament prophets learn about how they should live their lives? What about people who lived in China in 3,000 B.C.? They had never heard of Muhammad since he had not been born yet, and they had never heard of the Old Testament prophets since they had not been born yet.

You did not discuss, or refute the Muslim article at http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/women_dress_code_(P1150).html that says that the Quran does not say that women should cover their heads. The author of the article is a Muslim, and he speaks Arabic. If you wish, you can contact that website at [email protected]. I would like to see a debate between you and a representative of that website at this forum. Perhaps you could set that up.

Elsewhere at that website, at http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/history_hadith_1_(P1148).html, there is an interesting article about hadith. If I understood the article correctly, the author of the article said that Muhammad forbid the writing of the hadith after his death.

 

[Thana]

Good luck on the first and I don't buy the numbers on your second. We are not talking about violence. Basically some people view that a woman wearing a hijab is a sign of violence. Check the numbers in america.

Marital rape isn't even a criminal offence in some Islamic countries, How am I supposed to gather accurate statistics when most women won't even come forward for fear of being sentenced to prison, lashings or honor killings or just simply being shunned.

The Prevalence of violence against women should be enough of an indicator of how bad things are in Islamic countries for women.

 

[beenie]

Still disagree that hijab is required in Islam.

 

[gnostic]

One would hope so, but it seems that traditionalists always win in this matter, and people are hanging on to the older school of thinking.

Traditionists are like conservatives.

If they had their way, neither would change their underwear if they didn't have to. :cover:

 

[Estro Felino]

Seems very difficult for men to act otherwise. Unfortunately there's a lot of men that need to be protected from the beauty of a women. Not the woman's fault however some women take advantage of this.

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But where?? In Europe men are not as masculine as they were in the past. Beautiful women with sexy tops and miniskirts walk completely unnoticed on the streets.
I see it everyday; no man seems interested. no man stares at them.
So...let's be honest. Men have changed....

 

[Looncall]

They are not capable. Do you know what runs sown their head when they see you ?

Anyways check out the rape numbers and sexual harresment statistics and tell me how that is working. Tell me about the number of children who dont know who their parents are.


I repeat there is aa dress code for both men and women. And both men and women are told to lower their gaze.

The situation in Scandinavia is instructive. Muslim men there are notorious for rape, sometimes encouraged by clerics. Non-muslim men living in the same society are not, even though customs are free between the sexes, with nude bathing etc. The difference is islam.

The sexual apartheid practiced by muslims degrades the proper, equal relation between men and women and leads to abuses.

 

[Estro Felino]

The situation in Scandinavia is instructive. Muslim men there are notorious for rape, sometimes encouraged by clerics. Non-muslim men living in the same society are not, even though customs are free between the sexes, with nude bathing etc. The difference is islam.

The sexual apartheid practiced by muslims degrades the proper, equal relation between men and women and leads to abuses.

precisely. I think that they like covering the entire body, because it's like playing an erotic game. mystery turns them on.
In summer women wear bikinis,go to the beach and take off their tops. But no man stares at them, even if they have the hottest body ever.

we westerners are so used to nudity, that doesn't have effects on us any more

 

[ametist]

precisely. I think that they like covering the entire body, because it's like playing an erotic game. mystery turns them on.
In summer women wear bikinis,go to the beach and take off their tops. But no man stares at them, even if they have the hottest body ever.

we westerners are so used to nudity, that doesn't have effects on us any more

it would be bad if nudity doesnt turn you on.

 

[Estro Felino]

it would be bad if nudity doesnt turn you on.

I just wanted to say that men want sexy women. If women didn't wear sexy clothes, men wouldn't look at them.
It's already a miracle that a woman can make a man fall in love with her. If they cover themselves too, it's over.

 

[Sabour]

Marital rape isn't even a criminal offence in some Islamic countries, How am I supposed to gather accurate statistics when most women won't even come forward for fear of being sentenced to prison, lashings or honor killings or just simply being shunned.

The Prevalence of violence against women should be enough of an indicator of how bad things are in Islamic countries for women.

That is a wrong idea shared by westerns about Islam.

There is some violence against women in some countries, but it is not any special kind of violence or Islam related violence.

It is like any kind of violence women would face even in the west countries.

Check the Quraan to see how we are supposed to treat women.

 

[Thana]

That is a wrong idea shared by westerns about Islam.

There is some violence against women in some countries, but it is not any special kind of violence or Islam related violence.

It is like any kind of violence women would face even in the west countries.

Check the Quraan to see how we are supposed to treat women.

Except violence against women happens significantly more in Islamic Countries.

I already know what the Quran says, It pretty blatantly advocates violence against women.

The Quran, chapter 4 (An-Nisa), verse 34
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand"

Of course, People want to pass it off as 'a light tap' which is bullox, But even if that were true, lightly tapping women is a dominating gesture meant to make women subservient, Which the verse makes obvious anyway.

In summary, The Quran's message is this - Hit your wife until she does what you want.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is like any kind of violence women would face even in the west countries.

Where is this violence in Western Countries? In Summer lots of men go to the beach and see women in bikinis and yet they do not rape them.
actually they don't even look at them...because...let's be honest...there are not the macho- men of the past any more.
There are only narcissistic metrosexuals and bisexuals left

 

[ametist]

I just wanted to say that men want sexy women. If women didn't wear sexy clothes, men wouldn't look at them.
It's already a miracle that a woman can make a man fall in love with her. If they cover themselves too, it's over.

a miracle? ok. i see your point. so it is symply a survival instinct for you to try to look sexy? can we say that?
the commandment for lowering your gaze in your relation to other sex is both for woman and man. man just as much is responsible of maintaining a pure and humble relations with woman.
so your first concern is hardly locked on sex in such arelations where commandment is kept. your society also doesnt condition you to act as if you need to survive proving how sexy you are. but of course there will always be people who attract each other like magnets no matter what they wear. nothing can be done about it