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The Relatively Subtle and Liberal-Appearing Ethnocentrism of Some Western Media

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Yesterday, as Argentina captain Lionel Messi walked up to the podium to lift the World Cup trophy, Qatar's emir Tamim bin Hamad dressed him in the royal gold-adorned bisht, the formal dress in most Gulf countries, and gifted it to him. The Guardian, BBC host and ex-footballer Gary Lineker, and the Mirror, among others, criticized the gesture:

It was the big payback moment for Qatar’s $220bn investment: images of Lionel Messi being draped in a black bisht – a traditional men’s cloak in the Arab world – by the emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, as Argentina’s captain prepared to lift the trophy.

The bisht covered part of Messi’s Argentina shirt, including the national badge, during the ceremony – ensuring that iconic images of the trophy lift will remain a reminder of whose World Cup this was. Fifa’s president, Gianni Infantino, watched on smiling as the garment was put in place.

The gesture attracted praise on social media in the region as a sign of respect but drew renewed complaints of sportswashing from western Twitter users, while the BBC pundit Pablo Zabaleta asked: “Just why? There’s no reason to do that.” BBC host Gary Lineker said it was “a shame they’ve covered his shirt” during what was “a magic moment”.

The bisht was placed on Messi after Argentina had beaten France on penalties, deciding a pulsating final that had ended 3-3. Messi scored twice – and tucked away his spot-kick in the shootout – to help his team win a first World Cup since 1986.

Mixed reaction as Lionel Messi draped in Arab cloak before lifting World Cup

For context, Gary Lineker defended the decision to host the World Cup in Russia just four years ago:

Gary Lineker on World Cup hosts Russia: the UK has no right to judge whether they deserve the tournament | Radio Times

The gifting of the royal dress to a guest is seen in Arab culture as one of the utmost displays of respect possible. It's like having someone in your home and giving them the thing you value most. Yes, Qatar is a country with major human rights issues, but the way in which multiple Western media outlets have been essentially nitpicking the smallest details and singling out the country for criticism, as Gary Lineker has done despite previously defending Russia's hosting of the tournament, has been as eye-opening as it has been unfortunate.

It wasn't even a year ago that multiple Western media outlets also demonstrated stark double standards in their coverage of the Ukraine war, with comments such as "this not Afghanistan or Iraq. This is a relatively civilized, relatively European country" from a CBS News correspondent. And he was far from the only one: between the coverage of the war, some Western powers' responses to it in contrast to their response to their own wars in the Middle East, and the markedly different reception of refugees based on where they come from, the coverage and response to the Ukraine War have also been sobering.

Many of these comments have not come from some far-right demagogues or religious extremists; they have been coming from all directions along the political spectrum, including from some supposedly liberal voices. It is one thing to criticize Qatar for its awful human rights record, but it is quite another to have a seemingly different set of standards for other countries with similar or even larger-scale abuses when they're not Arab. It is one thing to welcome Ukrainian refugees and point out how atrocious the Russian invasion has been, but it is quite another to minimize similar humanitarian crises elsewhere in the process.

As someone who has been seeking to immigrate for over a decade, I know that the human rights situation in practically the entire Arab world is overwhelmingly unsuitable for me. But this year has made me wonder just how much I would fit in elsewhere if I immigrated to a Western country.
 

VoidCat

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I don't get it. If it's a sign of respect and giving honor to someone then why are folk upset about him being given a bisht? Isn't it up to Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani who they want to show respect to?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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I don't get it. If it's a sign of respect then why are folk upset about him being given a bisht?

Supposedly because it "covered up" his Argentina jersey, and some are arguing that it was an act of "sportswashing":

“Seems a shame in a way that they’ve covered up Messi in his Argentina shirt,” said former England international and presenter Gary Lineker on BBC’s live coverage of the final.

To others, it was one last attempt for Qatar to stamp its mark on the tournament – a criticism of the “sportswashing” (where critics accused Qatar of using the occasion to paper over its human rights record) that has underpinned much of the coverage of the tournament.

“Something a little strange about Messi being dressed in Bisht, that black cloak that the emir of Qatar dressed him in before lifting the World Cup,” New York Times journalist Tariq Panja tweeted.

“Qatar wants this to be its moment as much as it is Messi’s and Argentina’s.”

There was more criticism from other media, with British newspaper The Telegraph originally writing the headline “The bizarre act that ruined the greatest moment in World Cup history” in reference to Messi wearing the bisht.

It later changed the headline of the story to “Lionel Messi made to wear traditional Arab bisht for World Cup trophy lift.”

Reaction to Lionel Messi lifting the World Cup trophy wearing a bisht shows cultural fault lines of Qatar 2022 | CNN
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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That just seems so strange to me. Just seems like a nice gesture to me.

It seems strange to me as well, albeit unsurprising. As I said, I have found a lot of the coverage of this World Cup to be laced with nitpicking and double standards. That a gesture of respect is depicted in such a thoroughly negative light further reinforces this.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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But this year has made me wonder just how much I would fit in elsewhere if I immigrated to a Western country.
You should consider that western free speech
means that all the worst features are exposed.
(They're more prominent than the less interesting
good stuff.) So this spotlight fallacy can make
things appear worse than they really are.
Not saying you'd like it here, where things are
great for me & mine. Just use careful consideration.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Premium Member
You should consider that western free speech
means that all the worst features are exposed.
(They're more prominent than the less interesting
good stuff.) So this spotlight fallacy can make
things appear worse than they really are.
Not saying you'd like it here, where things are
great for me & mine. Just use careful consideration.

Free speech isn't the issue here; it's the selective outrage and bizarre inconsistency. An act of gifting a visiting player a part of the royal dress in a show of respect is hardly among the "worst features," too.

I realize the media frenzy doesn't represent all people in the West, but the extent of it is still quite concerning.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Premium Member
It is relevant to the portion of your post that I quoted.
It struck me that not wanting to move to the west
stems from more than just objection to media bias.

I still want to move to the West; I'm just questioning whether it would be the best place for me. I haven't arrived at a clear answer yet.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
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Probably just an element of human nature.

I think it's just easier and more reflexive to empathize with people who we resemble, culturally and physically.

I don't think it has to do so much with any kind of intellectual value judgment so much as an immediate emotional reaction.

I think seeing something horrific happening to someone who looks like/dresses like/acts like one of your own friends, family or neighbors, and seeing it happening in a setting that resembles your own, is going to shake you more immediately then it would if you were watching the same thing happen to people who you don't feel like you have much in common with.

I think you can put it down to ideals verses instincts: at our core we're still basically tribal creatures. We were hunter-gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years. We've only been "civilized" for a few thousand. We've got a lot of hardwiring to overcome yet.

Of course the western media knows that. So do politicians.
 
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idea

Question Everything
I still want to move to the West; I'm just questioning whether it would be the best place for me. I haven't arrived at a clear answer yet.

US? Depends where you move. NorthEast is friendly to women, lgbtq, progressive, educated. ... South, not so much so. There are islands in the south, but... a "melting pot"
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
It is relevant to the portion of your post that I quoted.
It struck me that not wanting to move to the west
stems from more than just objection to media bias.
@Debater Slayer wrote:

... As someone who has been seeking to immigrate for over a decade, I know that the human rights situation in practically the entire Arab world is overwhelmingly unsuitable for me. But this year has made me wonder just how much I would fit in elsewhere if I immigrated to a Western country.

In what chauvinist worldview does "wonder[ing] just how much I would fit in" equate with "not wanting to move"?
 

VoidCat

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Would it be a nice gesture to walk up to a woman, abd cover her face with a hijab?
That has nothing to do with this and is a completely different issue. A bisht is not a hijab and hijabs don't cover faces niqābs do tho. And they have different meanings and reasons for being worn I suspect.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Would accusing someone of condoning the Trail of Tears because they accepted a cheeseburger from an American be an apt comparison?
If the cheeseburger covered up his uniform, perhaps.
I intended useful advice.
Not a fan of Nicolas Chauvin or service to Napoleon.
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Some of this strikes me as being so sensitive that "thin skin" more than applies.

I still want to move to the West; I'm just questioning whether it would be the best place for me. I haven't arrived at a clear answer yet.

Think of the "West" as similar to the difference between Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and so forth. I see a vast difference between the USA, Canada, UK, Germany, Switzerland and Denmark to name a few. And there are vast differences in the US between California and Florida.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Yesterday, as Argentina captain Lionel Messi walked up to the podium to lift the World Cup trophy, Qatar's emir Tamim bin Hamad dressed him in the royal gold-adorned bisht, the formal dress in most Gulf countries, and gifted it to him. The Guardian, BBC host and ex-footballer Gary Lineker, and the Mirror, among others, criticized the gesture:



Mixed reaction as Lionel Messi draped in Arab cloak before lifting World Cup

For context, Gary Lineker defended the decision to host the World Cup in Russia just four years ago:

Gary Lineker on World Cup hosts Russia: the UK has no right to judge whether they deserve the tournament | Radio Times

The gifting of the royal dress to a guest is seen in Arab culture as one of the utmost displays of respect possible. It's like having someone in your home and giving them the thing you value most. Yes, Qatar is a country with major human rights issues, but the way in which multiple Western media outlets have been essentially nitpicking the smallest details and singling out the country for criticism, as Gary Lineker has done despite previously defending Russia's hosting of the tournament, has been as eye-opening as it has been unfortunate.

It wasn't even a year ago that multiple Western media outlets also demonstrated stark double standards in their coverage of the Ukraine war, with comments such as "this not Afghanistan or Iraq. This is a relatively civilized, relatively European country" from a CBS News correspondent. And he was far from the only one: between the coverage of the war, some Western powers' responses to it in contrast to their response to their own wars in the Middle East, and the markedly different reception of refugees based on where they come from, the coverage and response to the Ukraine War have also been sobering.

Many of these comments have not come from some far-right demagogues or religious extremists; they have been coming from all directions along the political spectrum, including from some supposedly liberal voices. It is one thing to criticize Qatar for its awful human rights record, but it is quite another to have a seemingly different set of standards for other countries with similar or even larger-scale abuses when they're not Arab. It is one thing to welcome Ukrainian refugees and point out how atrocious the Russian invasion has been, but it is quite another to minimize similar humanitarian crises elsewhere in the process.

As someone who has been seeking to immigrate for over a decade, I know that the human rights situation in practically the entire Arab world is overwhelmingly unsuitable for me. But this year has made me wonder just how much I would fit in elsewhere if I immigrated to a Western country.

Happy thoughts don't sell as well criticism.
 
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