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The religion of the original Israel seems to have gotten lost?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"Rebekah asked other women whether they, too, had suffered such pain during their pregnancy, and when they told her they had not heard of a case like hers, except the pregnancy of Nimrod's mother, she betook herself to Mount Moriah, whereon Shem and Eber had their Bet ha-Midrash. She requested them as well as Abraham to inquire of God what the cause of her dire suffering was. And Shem replied: "My daughter, I confide a secret to thee. See to it that none finds it out. Two nations are in thy womb, and how should thy body contain them, seeing that the whole world will not be large enough for them to exist in it together peaceably? Two nations they are, each owning a world of its own, the one the Torah, the other sin. From the one will spring Solomon, the builder of the Temple, from the other Vespasian, the destroyer thereof. These two are what are needed to raise the number of nations to seventy. They will never be in the same estate. Esau will vaunt lords, while Jacob will bring forth prophets, and if Esau has princes, Jacob will have kings. They, Israel and Rome, are the two nations destined to be hated by all the world. One will exceed the other in strength. First Esau will subjugate the whole world, but in the end Jacob will rule over all. The older of the two will serve the younger, provided this one is pure of heart, otherwise the younger will be enslaved by the older."Chapter VI: Jacob

It distinguishes between the kingdom of Esau dominating the world, and so his religion of obedience to the male hierarchy, and the God who killed everyone and gave women their labor pains , so that child birth was the leading cause of death in young women for many centuries.

But Jacob's religion was loyalty to the right woman telling him to break multiple of God's , steal what Esau worked hard for from the pope of that Time. Pope means Pappa, and Isaac was the male religious superior of the world in the eyes of his and Esau's God .
It was a binding blessing: "blessed are those who bless you ( Jacob), cursed are those who curse you, in and through you (Jacob) all shall find their grace / blessing/salvation."

It was a stolen blessing by the ideas , plans, work, the right strings pulled, by a rebellious woman, completely opposed to the Pope of that time, (also the most anointed man of God, with the greatest powers for binding, loosing, and blessing....her idea, and a good idea, that changed history, who the prophet's descend from, worked, triumphed, because there was a greater, wiser spirit (s) of destiny working with her to stop the serial killer God Father....that woman who was to Jacob, an icon of wisdom who is also described as female. Jerusalem is also called a woman with abundant breasts and milk of comfort in Isaiah 66.

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Jacob clearly had loyalty to her above the imposter serial killer God who murdered everyone over an apple, and multiplied fatal labor pains (perfect justice decided that if you have a womb, you are guilty of Eve eating an apple, because you are getting tortured and possibly killed for it if you have sex. The main reason women didn't live more than 30 years old on average, for many centuries, was death during childbirth (which the God that Rebecca was opposing took responsibility for, when he multiplied labor pains in women, blaming an entire gender for the sin of Eve. He never loved his daughter if he killed her and her descendants , tortured, terrified, petrified, terrorized, and afflicted with wars, famine , and plagues.

Rebecca wanted to kill herself because of how difficult her pregnancy was, so she , of course, would take it very personal, that she did not want to worship the monster that did this to so many women, and tortures inoccent, for the crimes of someone else. She risked everything, to get scripture to descend from Israel. Took all blessings and curses at Israel, upon herself life a Messiah, mother bear. Everything Israel did, to get the anointing so that the prophets would descend from him, was theft, from the serial killer God of Isaac and his favorite son Esau.
She worked for the Divine mothers, who will , with those who practice Jacob's religion, defeat this monster who tortures and makes her children sick , possessed, and die.
The author of death. who causes so many wars. plays so many extremely deadly extruciating, terrifying games with no consideration for human life, or human feelings.

Eventually, evil will be defeated! ....to be continued. This is not preaching and proselytizing. I'm stating convictions that come to my heart , without calling them true. I'm asking you, doesn't it appear correct. I'd like to hear what is wrong with the inner voice I hear and conviction, if you find fault with it. If your God is love or is not a serial killer or terrorist, then I'm not saying anything bad about the God you know...............

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Spiderman

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That was not the God of Jacob. Jacob knew that is obviously the most ridiculous form of justice, and that the true author of what is virtuous and beautiful, is not a monster serial killer, terrorist (with the highest kill count.)
(these are not infallible statements from me, but an inner voice I hear, Jacob. Usually when the name Jacob is mentioned in Scripture, it is everyone he descended from on the planet, that scripture is calling "Jacob". But I'm showing, that wasn't the God of the original Jacob. The one you have the most loyalty and devotion to , is your God. And Jacob clearly had loyalty to Rebecca above anyone. She's telling him to break the ten commandments, and steal from God's most anointed. So, obviously, he followed a different religion. Especially , because he wouldn't let go of God when he was asked to. Said I will not until you (My will comes before yours, give me what I ask for, reward, blessings) Bless me!

That is the behavior of someone who does not worship God for reward, but attacks him, holds him down, and shows authority, because he is a threat to humans, his sadism is not worthy of someone who deserves worship. And, he isn't the most powerful, most beautiful, most just God that is worthy of worship. He's worse and lower than most humans the worse crimes + cruelty ever recorded.

The religion of , and God of Esau mixed with, and hijacked his religion, which is why God treats Israel so bad, extremely abusive, extremely controlling, extremely sadistic, is a huge understatement. but I think the original God of Israel, and Religion, will return. It's probably why there are 2 billion hail mary's recited every day, one of the biggest promoters of the Virgin Mary was a Jew named Franz Werful, who said "Our Lady of Lourdes" saved him from the Nazis. And he wrote "the song of bernadette" promoting her. It won 5 academy awards. He served her better than catholics did, and he never got baptized or became christian.
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But to write something that won 5 academy awards, he was very serious in his conviction that she saved him from the Nazis. And his faith in that story was fervent, passionate, whoever she was. A Good Queen of Heaven he knew personally...:) That more resembled the religion of Jacob, and the greatest miracles and conversion stories I know of, in modern times, have been linked the apparitions of the blessed virgin Mary. (if you want me to talk more about it I can give examples.). But I see that as a prefigurement of what it will be like when Jacob and his Religion puts healthy mothers in control, and protect earth from cruel God's that commit genocide, enable demons, cause wars, cause confusion, say opposite things are true.


(Jacob's conscience told him that the serial killer God, the inventor of death, killing his daughter over an apple, is not the true God, isn't the true Gos. And Jacob got in a fight with God and won, google the scripture "you have fought with God and won. " Genesis 32:28
Your name is now Israel, meaning"contender with God ".

He got in a fight with a man, an angel, and God.... it says....depending on translation. But the scripture "you have fought with God and won" is in every translation I have seen, which tells me..." God can come in any of those forms, Angel, Man, God. Another form she can come in is woman (the etymology "Man with womb. Wombman)"

Jacob and Esau were tested, and Jacob believed divine wisdom, divine justice, would triumph over Esau and Isaac's serial killer God who murdered everyone (the exceptions being Enoch and Elijha) over an Apple. He followed his conscience and the law of rational thought, compassion, altruism, wisdom, something Rebecca excelled at far more Isaac's God and Isaac and his favorite son Esau (all combined ;) .
The God who tested Abraham by telling him to burn his son, and rewarded him for agreeing was unhealthy.

Rebecca was the voice of healthy thinking, don't traumatize your children like that, don't test your friends like that. She also resented Abraham as a weak man for giving away his wife Sarah. Lying and saying she was his sister, she's up for grabs, so that there wouldn't be risk of anyone fighting him over her. When that probably wasn't a threat. No man who loves his wife would do that. So, God obviously chose someone that bullies (or extremists) prey upon.... Those who want blind obedience, if they can demonstrate strength or miracles, will prey upon those who would give away their wife and say she's their sister, to avoid confrontation with someone stronger. Even give burn his son to please a miracle worker. Doesn't mean that voice was the only true creator....or virtuous....

Esau was devoted to the divine masculine God father , waited until the last minute to say he was just kidding about "murder and burn your son as a Holocaust" , kill the lamb I provided instead of the traumatized son who is thinking "Dad, WTF was that?"

Friends do not test each other's loyalty by asking them to burn their children as a Holocaust. And why does this spirit need blood sacrifice like Satanic cults do?

The God of Esau has corrupted some of the scriptures imho. The way he treated Israel, his bride, to call the relationship "extremely violent, extremely abusive, extreme harrasment, including threats of lifting up her skirt and humiliating her before the neighbors, and also welcoming them over to ravage his bride", were in scripture.

Jeremiah 13:26
I will pull up your skirts over your face that your shame may be seen—



God told Moses to leave him alone, that he might exterminate a larger percentage of the Jews than the third Reich, over 99% of them, and Moses contending, fighting with God , prevented it. He told God it was a terrible idea and would make him the laughing stalk of his enemies.

Scripture says "God repented of the evil he planned on doing to Israel". Exodus 32:14 (God repents of evil. There is no evil in God, total perfection, with virtues so far above ours, like the heavens above the earth, is his goodness above ours. Yet right there, Moses proves saves Israel from extermination by getting God to repent of evil plans, recognizing that Moses made more sense than to go exterminate over 99% of the people he just lead out of slavery, claiming , boasting of how great was his love for them.
That is not the same God seen elsewhere in scripture. I admit, some of the most beautiful , wise, rational thoughts are in scripture. It wasn't the same spirit because scripture says opposite things are true, repeatedly commands the extreme opposite of behaviors, and shows a God with many opposite behaviors, personalities. In a human, we would call it an extreme case of insanity.

That is not the behavior of anyone who loves you or values your life, or cares about your feelings, right? He is constantly using the enemies of Israel as a threat, so that paying homage to him is necessary for survival, and he constantly uses violence and death to glorify himself.

Google the scripture where King David asks Yahweh "why don't you just kill me. I'm the guilty one.". He was causing civil wars, disaster, and countless Jews to die for a sin they had no part in.

King David took a census that this Imposter didn't like, and he killed 70,000 of Israelis with pestilence. How could you possibly see that as a father or husband who loves Israel, or is likeable. Or justice killing 70,000 people for one persons crime. The guilty man lives. Do you see displays of justice more ridiculous? Would you want to worship someone that crazy , coold blooded, thinking his justice is perfect, for all eternity?

That is the behavior of bullies and psychopaths, isn't it? I don't think I'm disrespecting your God, because I believe the God you know, is probably the epitome of perfection in your sight, reasonable, wise, compasssionate, good leadership, perfect justice? so, I'm not talking about the God you know!,.... and the epitome of perfection is not a serial killer + terrorist, with the highest kill count.

Israel was originally contender, fought with and defeated that God, loyalty to a woman who said "let the curse and punishment for Jacob's sins be on me not him". Jacob's shield, like a Messiah.
She came up with the ideas, pulled the right strings, told Jacob to present Isaac's favorite dish as his eyesight was dimming and claim it was his work. Dress like and claim to be his Twin ....steal the merits of work, from the brother that actually took effort to please him and his God.

(Jacob worked on loyalty to the divine feminine, what he saw in Rebecca, more rational thought, unconditional love like a mother grizzly who fights to the death for her cubs , and that was what won his fight with God.
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Look in nature. Often time it is only the mother who provides and protects. With bears and many creatures, the father can actually be a danger to his children, does nothing to provide for or defend them, and will kill them often if he can, because the mom will not mate with cubs present. Or, fathers will eat their children in many mammals and rodents if you keep them in the same cage, aquarium.

And I think that is the difference between Esau and Jacobs religion. Esau did everything to please the most annointed male superior, of the divine masculine terrorist God father, whose blessing depended on Abraham agreeing to murder and burn his son as a Holocaust.

Jacob did the less hard physical work, practiced interior work of the spirit, worked on growing in virtue, receiving understanding, from a rational divine mother, wisdom spirit. And in the above reading it says Jacob shall win in the end. But Esau shall dominate the world first. The last shall finish first Scripture says. Mother will fix it.
Dad, doesn't love us, because cold blooded behavior, torturing, threatening, murdering his beloved, is not the signs of someone trustworthy, not someone I want to spend eternity with.

How many people that he victimized, gave life just to torture them, break their hearts repeatedly, get their hopes up, crush them, play with their heart to break it....how many suicides has he caused with his curses, tribulations, moving demons around to tempt people, shame them, not even let most people know how to fight these demons.

He could restrain the demons, put them somewhere they can't hurt us
, but prefers to let them wander the world to deceive and torture, rape and murder, correct? Isn't that more ugly than the Bishops who moved around priests to different Diocese, who were accused of sexual scandals? He could have protected them or prevented such clergy from being ordained.
 
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Spiderman

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The divine mother, wisdom, Jerusalem, Queens of heaven, actually love us , without demanding torture, tests, tribulations, sacrifices.



He chose to send an angel of death to murder babies and children in every house of Egypt for the crime of not having virgin blood of a lamb on their door posts.

That sounds Dark, sinister, satanic right? Maybe that is why the Jews worried about liking it better in Egypt, because he didn't look trustworthy. More like an extremely powerful child killer. All those screaming mothers holding the corpses of their children. All those door posts covered in blood of virgin lambs? Some people find no delight in worshipping something like that.


That prefigured the belief that he sent his son as a sacrificial lamb, premeditated the violent murder of his son, to save from wrath and lake of fire, those covered in the blood of the lamb. but he doesn't get blamed for premeditating the violent murder of his son. And a crown of thorns being the crown of a king . It sure did stirr up antisemitism and support for the Holocaust. He could have at least said "He was supposed to be crucified. It was the decision and idea of his Dad first"?
 
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Spiderman

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I'm not preaching of proselytizing, or I would be saying "This is the truth", or saying it's necessary to believe it. If you know something I don't know, go with what works for you.

I'm saying it is a conviction, I'm running it by you to see what I may be missing, to hear different opinions, to see if there is something I haven't considered, to see what my flaws in logic are.

Prozelytizing is not combined with questions, and admitting you don't know, that it is a conviction that I do not know for certain is true. I'm not saying it is important that you believe it even if it works for me.

Its trying to facilitate discussion about what errors in logic I may have, for the sake of growing, being more level headed, more healthy view , gaining something from the opinion of others. :)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I made lots of the post in bold, not because I'm yelling, but because I'm trying to show what I think is important in bold, for those who don't want to read everything.

But I found way too much important, and most probably was in bold. wasn't sure how to narow it down correctly.
 

rocala

Well-Known Member
I made lots of the post in bold, not because I'm yelling, but because I'm trying to show what I think is important in bold, for those who don't want to read everything.
@Spiderman it is a long time since I read one of your posts. The first step towards my even beginning to take them seriously would be for you to stop using the ridiculous pictures.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
No, what you say is not the truth. For example God didn't murder everyone over an apple.
Yes. He sentenced us to die over forbidden fruit. Even if it wasn't an apple. Same point. You and I would not be dying, and there would not be wars, murders, confusion, or dangerous doctrines brainwashing such a large quantity of the world . Had Adam and Eve not eaten the forbidden fruit.

A good parent does not murder their children for disobedience. Adam and Eve were so naive they didn't know they were naked. That qualifies as being naive as children, or too mentally ill these, to prosecute the same way.

Either way, you don't murder your children for eating fruit or a Klondike bar you told them not to. Not in less you hated them.. he laid a snare for them and invited a snake in to make sure they fell.

And punishes us still for it.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I made lots of the post in bold, not because I'm yelling, but because I'm trying to show what I think is important in bold, for those who don't want to read everything.

But I found way too much important, and most probably was in bold. wasn't sure how to narow it down correctly.
I understand your reason completely. When I write a post where virtually everything is important, what I do is put what is relatively unimportant within parentheses. That way 90% of my post is not in bold.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Just so people know, I said "

"I don't think I'm disrespecting your God, because I believe the God you know, is probably the epitome of perfection in your sight, reasonable, wise, compasssionate, good leadership, perfect justice? so, I'm not talking about the God you know!,.... and the epitome of perfection is not a serial killer + terrorist, with the highest kill count."

I think a lot of people are made more virtuous by much of scripture, and relationship with a God or spirit who is just, likeable, wise, author of beauty. I would never discourage them for pursuing that.

But scripture has opposite voices speaking, that I have seen damage people faith, stir up support for atheism, terrify people that their loved ones or they might receive eternal damnation of wailing+ gnashing their teeth in fire, with worms crawling in their flesh, and scary sadistic demons terrorizing them, ...
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and I've seen where it justified inquisitions, religious war, and terrorism...

If it didn't inspire such, I would be all for it. And many verses inspire the opposite behavior, so I feel more than one different entity and voice inspired scripture.

Yahweh means "I am". Many people could be"I am".

" I am spiderman " means : "Yahweh spiderman."
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So, my words are also the word of Yahweh, in that context. Yahweh can be everybody, I get that feeling.;)
 
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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Just so people know, I said "

"I don't think I'm disrespecting your God, because I believe the God you know, is probably the epitome of perfection in your sight, reasonable, wise, compasssionate, good leadership, perfect justice? so, I'm not talking about the God you know!,.... and the epitome of perfection is not a serial killer + terrorist, with the highest kill count."
Do you really think that calling God a serial killer and terrorist is going to endear you to theists? I'm sure @Jayhawker Soule not the only person to put you on ignore. I think you can be an atheist and discuss why you don't believe in God without using deliberately inflamatory language.
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Do you really think that calling God a serial killer and terrorist is going to endear you to theists? I'm sure @Jayhawker Soule not the only person to put you on ignore. I think you can be an atheist and discuss why you don't believe in God without using deliberately inflamatory language.
There are lots of reasons one could put @Spiderman on ignore. I no longer respond to him except on very rare occasions, like to tell him that contrary to his understanding the tetragrammaton does not mean “I am“ because, inter alia, it is third person. I do want, however, to keep an eye on him. That is why I don’t place him on ignore. I have mentioned to others in the past, perhaps to you as well, Matt has been quite open about his mental issues. I always keep in mind the source when I read one of his posts.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes. He sentenced us to die over forbidden fruit. Even if it wasn't an apple. Same point. You and I would not be dying, and there would not be wars, murders, confusion, or dangerous doctrines brainwashing such a large quantity of the world . Had Adam and Eve not eaten the forbidden fruit.

A good parent does not murder their children for disobedience. Adam and Eve were so naive they didn't know they were naked. That qualifies as being naive as children, or too mentally ill these, to prosecute the same way.

Either way, you don't murder your children for eating fruit or a Klondike bar you told them not to. Not in less you hated them.. he laid a snare for them and invited a snake in to make sure they fell.

And punishes us still for it.
To say it was an apple shows me that the person does not understand the truth. It was a piece of fruit. To say it was an apple just shows that the person does not know the Bible. So you might try simply saying fruit next time.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There are lots of reasons one could put @Spiderman on ignore. I no longer respond to him except on very rare occasions, like to tell him that contrary to his understanding the tetragrammaton does not mean “I am“ because, inter alia, it is third person. I do want, however, to keep an eye on him. That is why I don’t place him on ignore. I have mentioned to others in the past, perhaps to you as well, Matt has been quite open about his mental issues. I always keep in mind the source when I read one of his posts.
I was reading some posts and came across the discussion about the name of God. Judaism has it, I believe, there are 7 names. Do you know what they are and can you write them or give a link?
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
I was reading some posts and came across the discussion about the name of God. Judaism has it, I believe, there are 7 names. Do you know what they are and can you write them or give a link?
  1. El ("God")
  2. Eloah ("God")
  3. Elohim ("Gods")
  4. Shaddai ("Almighty")
  5. Ehyeh ("I am")
  6. Tzevaot ("[of] Hosts")
  7. YHWH
 
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