The rEvolving Doorway

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The scientific method is the dumbest of all methods, all it does is keep trying different things until something works. It's the slowest way to discover anything, because it relies on luck. It's like playing the lottery.

Christian scientists, start out with an idea of how the finished product should look and then find the quickest way of achieving it. The scientific method just tries every possible way to achieve it with no plan or direction.

Just google Christian scientific discoveries and educate yourself

So no evidence for your claims. Thought not.

 

[Danny1988]

So no evidence for your claims. Thought not.

Noah's Ark was a scientifically advanced feat of engineering, modern day freight shipping uses the same type of design as the 4600 year old boat so yeah Christian scientists are vastly superior to pagan scientists

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Noah's Ark was a scientifically advanced feat of engineering, modern day freight shipping uses the same type of design as the 4600 year old boat so yeah Christian scientists are vastly superior to pagan scientists

1. There's no evidence to suggest there was a global flood;
2. Er go there's no evidence to suggest the myth of Noah's Ark is anything more than a myth;
3. Noah, as he is portrayed in the story, is not a Christian so you can't claim the credit for this one.

 

[Rival]

Er go

I will kill you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The scientific method is the dumbest of all methods, all it does is keep trying different things until something works. It's the slowest way to discover anything, because it relies on luck. It's like playing the lottery.

Christian scientists, start out with an idea of how the finished product should look and then find the quickest way of achieving it. The scientific method just tries every possible way to achieve it with no plan or direction.

Just google Christian scientific discoveries and educate yourself

That would be a rather stupid way to try to solve a problem. Luckily that is not the scientific method. Did you do poorly in school? It is rather obvious that you are very scientifically illiterate and you are amazingly afraid to learn. If you tried to learn no one would make fun of you for your failures here. They would try to help you. But when you arrogantly display your lack of knowledge and hatred people will make fun of you.

 

[Woberts]

Nothing significant was discovered using the scientific method. Christian scientists discovered most of the things like electricity and every other important discovery was made by Christian scientists.

In any case Christians have the monopoly on science, since the Christians started universities we own science. The Pagans can't lay claim to anything, except for witchcraft and other stupid things like that.

If nothing important was discovered by the scientific method, then how did Christian scientists discover anything?

 

[Polymath257]

The scientific method is the dumbest of all methods, all it does is keep trying different things until something works. It's the slowest way to discover anything, because it relies on luck. It's like playing the lottery.

Christian scientists, start out with an idea of how the finished product should look and then find the quickest way of achieving it. The scientific method just tries every possible way to achieve it with no plan or direction.

Just google Christian scientific discoveries and educate yourself

Simply false on multiple levels.

For example, Faraday was a Christian and a scientist. But he used the scientific method to investigate electricity and magnetism, NOT the 'method' you suggest here. He made painstaking experiments investigating what worked and what didn't, letting the real world determine where the next level of his study would be.

In fact, to use the method of 'start out with an idea of a finished product and find the quickest way to achieve it', you have to already know the basic laws of physics. And *that* means, looking at the real world and figuring out how it works *by trial and error*. It simply doesn't work otherwise.

And yes, the scientific method is slow. It often takes a great deal of investigation to determine what is correct and what is not. But it is very effective at eliminating falsehoods. And, by always testing each idea, we gain confidence in the results that simply is impossible otherwise.

Finally, it is simply false that science doesn't have a plan or direction. Not *every* possibility needs to be investigated since early observation can usually eliminate whole realms of 'possibilities'. For example, when investigating gravity, anything that predicts massive objects will spontaneously rise on earth can be eliminated.

 

[Jose Fly]

Sorry to have to ask, but that's about the third time I've see the word Poe used here. I tried Google but it didn't help. What does Poe mean? Thsnks.

It's basically a term that captures the concept that internet creationists are so absurd, it's impossible to tell the difference between a parody of a creationist and a genuine one.

 

[Valjean]

Nothing significant was discovered using the scientific method. Christian scientists discovered most of the things like electricity and every other important discovery was made by Christian scientists.

But weren't these 'Christian scientists' just Christians who were using non-religious scientific methodology? Wasn't it the scientific method that enabled their discoveries, rather than their religion?

In any case Christians have the monopoly on science, since the Christians started universities we own science. The Pagans can't lay claim to anything, except for witchcraft and other stupid things like that.

Just because Christians 'started universities' doesn't give them a claim to 'own' science, any more than a consortium of Christians who start an automobile factory or chain of tailor shops can lay claim to the technology in these fields.

The scientific method is the dumbest of all methods, all it does is keep trying different things until something works. It's the slowest way to discover anything, because it relies on luck. It's like playing the lottery.

No, that's not how science works. It starts with an educated guess about how a group of observed facts relate to each other. It's not just random trials.
No-one would fund random trials.

Christian scientists, start out with an idea of how the finished product should look and then find the quickest way of achieving it. The scientific method just tries every possible way to achieve it with no plan or direction.

Now we're talking engineering, not science -- and this makes no sense at all. Trial-and-error is not how science or engineering work.

Christianity existed for 2,000 years with very little technological advancement (and, it could be argued, a lot of technological decay) -- because it was using trial-and-error. Then, with the development of non trial-and-error scientific methods, technology took off.

Just google Christian scientific discoveries and educate yourself

"Christian scientific discovery" isn't the product of Christianity. It's the product of science used, incidentally, by Christians.
You seem to have no idea what science is or how it works. I think you're blinded by ideology and a priori thinking.

 

[Valjean]

Noah's Ark was a scientifically advanced feat of engineering, modern day freight shipping uses the same type of design as the 4600 year old boat so yeah Christian scientists are vastly superior to pagan scientists

No it doesn't -- even if we were to take this ridiculous fable of an ark seriously, no-one was using steel plate or ferroconcrete back then.

It's basically a term that captures the concept that internet creationists are so absurd, it's impossible to tell the difference between a parody of a creationist and a genuine one.

As I understand it, Poe's law states that it's impossible to tell a serious religious argument from a parody or from trolling.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No it doesn't -- even if we were to take this ridiculous fable of an ark seriously, no-one was using steel plate or ferroconcrete back then.
As I understand it, Poe's law states that it's impossible to tell a serious religious argument from a parody or from trolling.

We also often here the claim that the dimensions of the Ark are "ideal". That does not appear to be the case today. In fact many freighters are designed more on the locks and waterways that they have to go through rather than upon some magic length and width formula. This article mentions several different lengths and widths. None of them seem to be the same as the Ark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawaymax

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We Christians believe that evolution is a lie straight from the pits of hell, it's purely Satanic. It contradicts Gods Word as we have it in the book of Genesis.

Tragically for believers in an inerrant bible, God himself contradicts the Word of God, and does so in a way that is blatantly obvious, and yet such Bible believers are totally oblivious. Here's a great example, that could not be clearer:

The second commandment, in part, says: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth." This means no depictions of God, Jesus, angels, animals, humans, fish, eels and earthworms. There is no qualifier -- it says don't make 'em!

But then, in Exodus 25, don't we read:

25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

There you have it, God contradicting God: don't make graven images, and then make graven images, complete with wings and faces!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Let the apologetics festivities begin!

 

[gnostic]

We Christians believe that evolution is a lie straight from the pits of hell, it's purely Satanic. It contradicts Gods Word as we have it in the book of Genesis.

First off, Charles Darwin was a Christian. He may have become agnostic later in life, but he was a theist, and never atheist.

Second, most of the scientists, including biologists, in Darwin’s days, who did accept Darwin’s Natural Selection, were mostly Christians too.

So this whole Satanism = Evolution is nothing more than ignorant preaching, with no understanding of history how there were Christians who did accept evolution, earlier on.

 

[gnostic]

Nah, your faith is hopeless, because the world has never been so overwhelmed with cancer and disease which science is hopelessly impotent, when it comes to finding cures.

Sorry, but has any faith healers today, cure people with cancers and diseases?

Most of the people who called themselves “healers” today, like the miracles performed by Jesus and his disciples, are nothing more than conmen, swindlers or deluded wannabe disciples.

I have yet to see any actual miracles being performed today.

What diseases have any modern Christian cured today with the so-called miracles?

 

[gnostic]

Every single Word is 100% true from cover to cover and there are no contradictions. All the prophecies have been fulfilled and there are still some to come.

Jesus hasn’t fulfilled a single one of the messianic prophecies, and those that the gospels “claimed” that Jesus fulfilled had nothing to do with the messiah.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jesus hasn’t fulfilled a single one of the messianic prophecies, and those that the gospels “claimed” that Jesus fulfilled had nothing to do with the messiah.

I don't think he has a clue about the messianic prophesies. Odds are that he will say that they "sound Jewish".

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Noah's Ark was a scientifically advanced feat of engineering, modern day freight shipping uses the same type of design as the 4600 year old boat so yeah Christian scientists are vastly superior to pagan scientists

I see more claims, I still see no evidence.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Every single Word is 100% true from cover to cover and there are no contradictions.

If you sincerely believe this, you've clearly never read the Bible. Would you like me to point out some of the more blatant contradictions for you?

 

[Danny1988]

But weren't these 'Christian scientists' just Christians who were using non-religious scientific methodology? Wasn't it the scientific method that enabled their discoveries, rather than their religion?
Just because Christians 'started universities' doesn't give them a claim to 'own' science, any more than a consortium of Christians who start an automobile factory or chain of tailor shops can lay claim to the technology in these fields.

No, that's not how science works. It starts with an educated guess about how a group of observed facts relate to each other. It's not just random trials.
No-one would fund random trials.
Now we're talking engineering, not science -- and this makes no sense at all. Trial-and-error is not how science or engineering work.

Christianity existed for 2,000 years with very little technological advancement (and, it could be argued, a lot of technological decay) -- because it was using trial-and-error. Then, with the development of non trial-and-error scientific methods, technology took off.
"Christian scientific discovery" isn't the product of Christianity. It's the product of science used, incidentally, by Christians.
You seem to have no idea what science is or how it works. I think you're blinded by ideology and a priori thinking.

I don't know where you found this information, but I can tell you that you have been deceived. You have swallowed the crap of the same bunch who told us the earth was flat. The Bible always maintained it was a globe.

The Bible will still remain true long after science has been debunked and buried, lies have a shot life. The truth lives forever, so yeah