the right religion

[Saint Frankenstein]

You keep telling us this happened - but without any actual proof of such happening. Even if a man named Jesus existed, the miracles and rising dead are just myth.

And why would I tell you Santa existed? Santa's "components" can be traced back to Northern Shaman, their reindeer, and Amanita muscaria use. I think I can fly!


EDIT - Forgot to add, - for those wondering, - yes these people worshiped Oden.


Our ancestors knew this. Just walk into any antiques store that sells Christmas items. You will find Santa with the amanita mushroom!


Pictures - -

https://www.google.com/search?q=San...dh4HoDQ&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1067&bih=527&dpr=1.5


https://www.google.com/search?q=San...w=1067&bih=527&dpr=1.5#tbm=isch&q=sami+people





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Very cool! Didn't know about the mushroom aspect. Thanks!

 

[Ingledsva]

I think you'll find that the FSM never walked the earth and wasn't seen by millions like like JC was!
You'll be telling us Santa Claus existed next..

You keep telling us this happened - but without any actual proof of such happening. Even if a man named Jesus existed, the miracles and rising dead are just myth. ...

Prove it..

As you have been told, over and over, - we don't have to prove myth to be myth.


You want us to believe the myth, - it is up to you to prove to us that your myth is true.

Why should I "want" you to believe anything? If you and anybody else refuse Jesus's invite to the party there'll be more cream and jam sponge cake for the rest of us..

Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

Stop taking sentences out of context.

I put the sequence above.


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[Shuttlecraft]

Stop taking sentences out of context.
I put the sequence above.

There'll be booze at the party too..
Jesus told his mates at the last supper-
"I tell you, I will not drink wine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt 26:29)

Drat that's me out then, I don't drink (sniffle)

 

[Ouroboros]

Santa Claus is largely based on Northern European lore and folk tradition. I've seen it said that Santa is Odin, Thor or a combination of both.

He's a combination of things.

"Tomten" in Scandinavia was originally more like gnome or leprechaun. They lived under the house and would give you luck or misfortune depending on how you treated them. During winter, you would give them food by leaving it on the doorstep, and it would be gone by the morning. They had more of a gray outfit.

John Bauer was a famous painter making pictures of gnomes, trolls, "tomtar", etc. And there was a Swedish painter, a woman, can't remember her name right now, that did the same thing. This was 80-100 years ago, or whatever.

At some point, not sure when or how, Coca Cola picked up on the image of the "tomte" and made a jolly, red, fat version of it. And it was combined with Saint Nicolaus myth about a saint who gave gifts to people (and there seems to be some truth to this myth).

Somethin' like that. It's a combination of things, essentially.

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Jenny Nyström was her name. She made christmas cards with cutesy, happy gnomes (tomtar).

http://www.jennynystrom.se/en-jul.html

Oh, and the author/poet Victor Rydberg had something to do with this when he wrote "Tomten". One of the first depictions of the friendly gnome at Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomten_(poem)

But, I could be awfully wrong about this. It's just bits-and-pieces of things I've heard over the years.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to---Saint Frankenstein I think that your culture is also fairy
Santa Claus is not the Gospel
It is an invention of the Church
It is a nice idea to joy to the hearts of the people
I want an answer from you and Frank
You say
That religion is a myth
As you think
What is your truth
The theme is about true religion
I'd say that the true religion is from a loving education
Do you object to this speech
You and I are talking through a tknolget high progress
Can I tell you a fable
Or say I also myth
The way we make us believe that the fact I also fact
This is also in the religions
Us through time
And guides and multiple devices
For this laatmkn to say it's a myth
Only say that myth is that I accept her minds
Like the myth of Ascension in Islam
Like the myth of God home
Why do not talk about those myths

 

[Ingledsva]

Saint Nicholas existed. It's just modern culture turned him into a fictitious character from who he originally was.

A Nicholas existed - however, Catholic Encyclopedia says the story around him is myth.



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[Ingledsva]

He's a combination of things.

"Tomten" in Scandinavia was originally more like gnome or leprechaun. They lived under the house and would give you luck or misfortune depending on how you treated them. During winter, you would give them food by leaving it on the doorstep, and it would be gone by the morning. They had more of a gray outfit.

John Bauer was a famous painter making pictures of gnomes, trolls, "tomtar", etc. And there was a Swedish painter, a woman, can't remember her name right now, that did the same thing. This was 80-100 years ago, or whatever.

At some point, not sure when or how, Coca Cola picked up on the image of the "tomte" and made a jolly, red, fat version of it. And it was combined with Saint Nicolaus myth about a saint who gave gifts to people (and there seems to be some truth to this myth).

Somethin' like that. It's a combination of things, essentially.

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Jenny Nyström was her name. She made christmas cards with cutesy, happy gnomes (tomtar).

Jenny Nystrm - Kalmar Lns Museum

Oh, and the author/poet Victor Rydberg had something to do with this when he wrote "Tomten". One of the first depictions of the friendly gnome at Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomten_(poem)

But, I could be awfully wrong about this. It's just bits-and-pieces of things I've heard over the years.

I can tell you as a Swede - that Wiki only has part of that correct.

This goes back to my Sami ancestors - Shaman, reindeer, mushrooms, and Odin.

This "later" tradition is partly correct in Wiki - however they are definitely not the Santa character.

The Yule goat was replaced by the tomte or nisse, which is likened to a garden gnome. According to tradition, tomtes secretly live in houses and act as their guardian.[3] If treated well, they protect children and animals from evil and misfortune,[4] and they also help with chores and farm work.[5] However, they are known to have a temper, especially when they are offended. If they are insulted, they usually play tricks and can kill livestock

Their name says it all. Tomte is from Tomt which is family holding = home and land.

They are mischievous House gnomes, more like modern elves, and if you look, you can see that they originated from short, mischievous, bright clothed, turned up toe booted, Sami children.


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[Aupmanyav]

This goes back to my Sami ancestors - Shaman, reindeer, mushrooms, and Odin.

I do not think the Sami worshiped Odin. (?)

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..my Sami ancestors - Shaman, reindeer, mushrooms, and Odin..

Good for you, the Vikings occupied my old home town of Leicester (England) so i've probably got traces of Viking blood coursing through my veins..

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I do not think the Sami worshiped Odin. (?)

They didn't/don't. They're not Germanic, but the Sami and their Germanic neighbors have intermingled.

 

[Ingledsva]

I do not think the Sami worshiped Odin. (?)

Actually they did worship an Odin/Thor God with a hammer, and a name meaning Thunder.

This is an etching by Picart from 1725.

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[Ingledsva]

They didn't/don't. They're not Germanic, but the Sami and their Germanic neighbors have intermingled.

Actually they have for a very long time.

As I've said here before, I'm Swedish and German, and both sides of my family come from Ing tribes.

Ingwaz - (Y)Ing is the original runic name for the God Freyr.

Ingvi Freyr is tutelary God of the Swedish people and divine ancestor of their old royal family, the Ynglinar. From the Ynglingatal.

In 1080 Adam of Bremen, in his Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum, tells us about the Gods in the Temple at Uppsala Sweden.

"In this temple, entirely decked out in gold, the people worship the statues of three gods in such wise that the mightiest of them, Thor, occupies a throne in the middle of the chamber; Woden and Frikko have places on either side.

Frikko is the Latinized Freyr.


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[1robin]

English

Thank you my friend
There is no full agreement on all the details
I think or believe
Pagan religions
And people who don't they believe in any religion
I respect their ideas over for the following reasons
They do not advertise any hostility against Christians or Jews
They don't they declare that the fighting is a means of spreading their religion
The suggestions of goodness does not say they are fighting on behalf of God
Can dialogue with them and communicate with them
So this side I respect religious and pagan
And if you say what is the difference between Pagan and Muslim
I say
Muslims accept the black stone
And pagan worships an Idol without a soul
Pagan don't say that you should fight the Jews and Christians
While Muslim says fighting Jews and Christians
Islam encourages hatred
Islam means
That man is able to launch the freedom to lust and under the cover of legitimate
In its Europe stand today on the zero on the left
Permission
The best religion is the teachings of love
I am in love with the teachings of the Gospel and with no education corresponds to the Gospel in this education
Even if Pagan
Accept my respect

The 50% of your posts I can understand I agree with. Rock on.

 

[1robin]

BULL! You started it with a statement of fact, and you do not have facts, you have BELIEF. Therefore I changed it to the REALITY! A mythic being, miracles, dead rising, etc., and people having real reason to doubt the story.

I cannot remember what your talking about. What is it I said was a statement of fact?

You would not believe their Flying Spaghetti Monster - miracle , dead rising story, -

No one believes in that stupid contrivance. That is it's function. Instead of using whatever deity it is in question you invoke something that was purpose designed to be unbelievable and thereby we have the liberal tactic of an indictment by an association only made by them. I don't know who they are but Allah and other deities no matter haw absurd do not fall to the level of that spaghetti tactic. At the end of the day I am not convinced but the quantum can be found in the Vedas, Muhammad had some hard to question teachings, heck even the Baha'i have an infinite better case that what your tactic alluded to.

and in like kind, why would we believe your mythic being, Jesus Messiah, miracle, dead rising story?

If you can't see the difference, nothing I say will help. Exactly how many books about the spaghetti man are simultaneously the most scrutinized in history and the most believed in as truth by those most trained and capable of knowing, of their type in history? It would be an infinitely shorter list to show how they were similar than dissimilar.

 

[Ingledsva]

I cannot remember what your talking about. What is it I said was a statement of fact?


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Cold space coming home - is a fact.


You compared this to your religious FAITH - which is your belief - not fact.


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[Saint Frankenstein]

Actually they did worship an Odin/Thor God with a hammer, and a name meaning Thunder.

This is an etching by Picart from 1725.

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Actually they have for a very long time.

As I've said here before, I'm Swedish and German, and both sides of my family come from Ing tribes.

Ingwaz - (Y)Ing is the original runic name for the God Freyr.

Ingvi Freyr is tutelary God of the Swedish people and divine ancestor of their old royal family, the Ynglinar. From the Ynglingatal.

In 1080 Adam of Bremen, in his Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum, tells us about the Gods in the Temple at Uppsala Sweden.

"In this temple, entirely decked out in gold, the people worship the statues of three gods in such wise that the mightiest of them, Thor, occupies a throne in the middle of the chamber; Woden and Frikko have places on either side.

Frikko is the Latinized Freyr.


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Okay, I'll take your word for it. I don't know much about the Sami people besides what I've read on Wikipedia.

 

[Ingledsva]

Okay, I'll take your word for it. I don't know much about the Sami people besides what I've read on Wikipedia.

You know what I found interesting about that etching?


If you blow it up, you can see they have a metal spike in his head and a flint hanging from it.


They would have been able to make Sacred Sparks, and lite Sacred Fires from him. Perhaps the yearly new hearth fires.


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[1robin]

Cold space coming home - is a fact.

I don't even know what that means. Is it a paraphrase of something I said as usual or is it something someone else said?

You compared this to your religious FAITH - which is your belief - not fact.

My "beliefs" have all manner of differing levels of reliability. My beliefs are not one thing. My belief that Christ existed, that being born again and reconciled to God is possible, forgiveness (true forgiveness not the idea alone), and that the Gospels are reliable enough a road map to discover all these things is a fact as certain as anything I believe in about anything. I have middle of the road beliefs about whether Christ was divine or simply man, and I have almost pure conjecture like what the flood was and was not. My faith is not some monolithic belief that can be classified as one whole. Then taken to be only as good as the worst aspect of it and dismissed. What I do not have any faith in is what Cold Space coming home means.

 

[sojourner]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

Why? Why must there be only one "right" religion or path? Haven't you looked at a road map?? There are a myriad routes to the same destination. We would all do well to honor and respect those religions who respect the humanity of all people, and who respect the integrity and sovereignty of the earth.

 

[1robin]

Why? Why must there be only one "right" religion or path? Haven't you looked at a road map?? There are a myriad routes to the same destination. We would all do well to honor and respect those religions who respect the humanity of all people, and who respect the integrity and sovereignty of the earth.

Theology is not a mass transit system.

1. Most religions have mutually exclusive claims to truth in them. Can't but one of them or none be true.
2. Truth it's self is exclusive.
3. Any benevolent God is more consistent with a single fairly pure truth rather than a thousand mutually exclusive truths buried in mountains of man made garbage.

I do not respect even good works when based on lies. Especially ones that possibly lead people to damnation regardless of how much good they have done in this life. Do them anyway but just don't lie and say Odin told you to.

That is at least a good start.

Have not seen you in a while. New avatar I see.