The riots haven't been violent enough ...

[Mock Turtle]

There was a news item the other day here in the UK about white and black militias in the USA - both seen training with substantial weapons carried by all. When will they be firing at each other? This just seems so farcical - to those who would never allow such weapons to be in private hands.

 

[metis]

Better for the elites we forget that becaise you don't find change with peace and love.

But it happened with Jesus, Gandhi, Mandela, etc. However, like pretty much everything, nothing is permanent.

Acting out, disobedience, breaking the law, amd rioting are what do bring changes.

It can happen, no doubt. Actually this happened during the American Revolution, and look what came out of that.

Just look at Jesus. He's probably the biggest complainers ever but we forget that and, much like Gandhi, pretend it was all peace amd love.

Complaining is not intrinsically bad because not complaining if something is wrong can be far worse. But we need to do more than just complain, such as to offer possible solutions.

 

[Tambourine]

Its called survival of the fittest. The one with the biggest stick rules. Its the way nature is.

That's a massive - but unfortunately, fairly common - misunderstanding of what "survival of the fittest" actually means.

 

[sun rise]

There was a news item the other day here in the UK about white and black militias in the USA - both seen training with substantial weapons carried by all. When will they be firing at each other? This just seems so farcical - to those who would never allow such weapons to be in private hands.

We here live in a primitive and savage country which prizes the rights of people to blow others away if we're provoked. Just wait until after the election.

There's serious planning on how to respond to right wing terror attacks when some police join them.

 

[stvdv]

the last guy that tried that got crucified

True. They seem to crucify anyone trying to be good
Those who lie become president sometimes

 

[Father Heathen]

There was a news item the other day here in the UK about white and black militias in the USA - both seen training with substantial weapons carried by all. When will they be firing at each other? This just seems so farcical - to those who would never allow such weapons to be in private hands.

99% of them would **** their pants and flee if actual armed combat broke out.

 

[Father Heathen]

That's a massive - but unfortunately, fairly common - misunderstanding of what "survival of the fittest" actually means.

Sadder still is how the misunderstanding manages to prevail even after an explanation.

 

[Father Heathen]

Which "world architects"?

A cabal of the world's most diabolical super villains.

 

[Left Coast]

A cabal of the world's most diabolical super villains.

I can see them now, swiveling their chairs around a long conference table and petting their black cats in their laps while they laugh maniacally.

 

[Cooky]

Which "world architects"?

Good point. There are so many.

 

[BSM1]

A thread about piece has inevitably, of course, brought out discussion of having a bigger "gun".

Well, I have to let you know, I have friends. And from 2005 and even earlier, a revolutionary movement has been quietly taking shape. So beware. We're about to go public. The message of course needs to be slightly modified due to the pandemic and the current manifestations of the problem, but it still rings out in revolutionary splendor.

Beware! Unless you people shut up and begin acting like grown-ups with brains enough to understand the difference between political belief and personal faith, the Unitarian Jihad will begin a series of terrorist-like actions. We will take over television studios, kidnap so-called commentators and broadcast calm, well-reasoned discussions of the issues of the day. We will not try for "balance" by hiring fruitcakes; we will try for balance by hiring non-ideologues who have carefully thought through the issues.

We are Unitarian Jihad. We will appear in public places and require people to shake hands with each other. (Sister Hand Grenade of Love suggested that we institute a terror regime of mandatory hugging, but her motion was not formally introduced because of lack of a quorum.) We will require all lobbyists, spokesmen and campaign managers to dress like trout in public. Televangelists will be forced to take jobs as Xerox repair specialists. Demagogues of all stripes will be required to read Proust out loud in prisons.
...
People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution.

A message from the Unitarian Jihad

So, in effect, we're simply exchanging one dictator with another of your choice....

 

[Father Heathen]

Good point. There are so many.

Each spookier than the last.

 

[McBell]

This could almost be a Beatle's song: "All you need is love...and an AR 15"

sounds like THIS Beatles song:

 

[Cooky]

Each spookier than the last.

I think they're all equally spooky... Anyone who wants to insert their ideology into others lives is an "architectural" designer in this world.

I think now is a good time to shine a light on this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But it happened with Jesus, Gandhi, Mandela, etc.

Jesus did have a violent outburst. And Gandhi, again, wasn't the only person pressuring the English and pushing for Indian independence. Many violent revolts prior already had the English reconsidering things. Gandhi just became a modern "opium of the masses" to give the masses someone peaceful to remember instead of the riots and violence that were taking place all around him.
And we can remember Dr. King who did grow to embrace rioting as what happens when the voices and cries of the oppressed go unheard. They make themselves required to be heard. Amd, yes, it too was there in his marches. It's one of those things were not supposed to remember about him. Like how he was more aligned with socialism and an avowed anti-capitalist.

 

[Cooky]

And we can remember Dr. King who did grow to embrace rioting as what happens when the voices and cries of the oppressed go unheard. They make themselves required to be heard. Amd, yes, it too was there in his marches. It's one of those things were not supposed to remember about him. Like how he was more aligned with socialism and an avowed anti-capitalist.

I'm not sure there's any way to express MLK's views on economics, by using The words "capitalist" or "socialist"... Either of the two can mean anything to anyone. They're worthless words anymore to anyone with a more advanced outlook at how the world works.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not sure there's any way to express MLK's views on economics, by using The words "capitalist" or "socialist"... Either of the two can mean anything to anyone. They're worthless words anymore to anyone with a more advanced outlook at how the world works.

No, he was explicitly against capitalism, he did keep affirmed socialists and communists as close company, and he see capitalism as exploiting and repressing bith black people and the working class. These aren't worthless words, these are basically his own words.
And if words are worthles and can mean anythkng, you have always 100% agreed with me because society didn't agree on what words mean.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's a massive - but unfortunately, fairly common - misunderstanding of what "survival of the fittest" actually means.

Its pretty accurate. The toughest survive, the weakest fall.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its called survival of the fittest. The one with the biggest stick rules. Its the way nature is.

Nature is not just overall monolithic approach. Humans aren't even that way.
And there are of course bonobos. With them you can take your big stick and anger and temper and go leave for awhile and have your ***** fit away from the group. They also often have orgies as "preventive social care," and are matriarchal (as humans used to be).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its pretty accurate. The toughest survive, the weakest fall.

Yeah, that idea was never actually espoused by Darwin, but is entirely rooted in the poorly-named "Social Darwinism." (that actually has nothing to do with what Darwin wrote about groups and morality and is quite the opposite of what he did write).