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The Role of Religion in the American Political System

painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
yeah, well considering the founding fathers came from many faiths, not just 'christian', I think people have to start LEARNING history. Not just swallowing the garbage they put in high-school text books.

wa:do
 
Pah

Pah

Uber all member
painted wolf said:
yeah, well considering the founding fathers came from many faiths, not just 'christian', I think people have to start LEARNING history. Not just swallowing the garbage they put in high-school text books.

wa:do
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I was hoping that the topic might be today's role - I have a simular thread going and I'd like to get into that discussion.

I've always been struck by the definition of a "Christian nation". Is it a nation of Christians or ordained by Christ? The former seems to be more accurate.

And it also seems strange that in spite of the importance placed on Christians "framing and ratifying" the Constitution, it is, in fact, Godless - a pure secular document.
 
W

Wleeper

Member
The fact is that the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were almost all Christians and the Constitution is dated "In the Year of Our Lord...". Read my essay on "Separate Church and State - Not God and State" if you would like an in depth discussion of this. See it at www.nationalmorality.com
 
Pah

Pah

Uber all member
Wleeper said:
The fact is that the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were almost all Christians and the Constitution is dated "In the Year of Our Lord...". Read my essay on "Separate Church and State - Not God and State" if you would like an in depth discussion of this. See it at www.nationalmorality.com
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This link works but it takes us only to a site introduction. Would you like to summarize your essay, please.

I am not surprised the Constitution was dated as you say. It is, after all, the designation affixed by the Gregorian calander (and probably the Julian calander as well) - one created by Pope Gregory in 1582 (but not implemented in Europe until the 18th century - 2 centuries later). But I don't see how this would make the United States a Christian nation - it was just following the universal (well, almost universal) standard of "timing" the earth's trip around the sun.

Well before the Constitution, the "nation" you saw then (and see today) was/is the result of the supression of the native population Their spirituality (and vote) didn't count nor did the traditional faith of the "three-fifths" human beings. They also were denied the vote as were all females and non-propertied males. So I have grave misgivings about what might be called the arrogance of a vanquishing Christianity.

Would you care to comment on the remark that what these Christians created was a secular document - one without God as authority (but authority unto itself)?
 
Master Vigil

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
America is great because it is not a solely christian nation, but allows all faiths to flourish. I wish it wouldn't be called a christian nation. For I am part of this nation, and am not christian. What does that make me?
 
Pah

Pah

Uber all member
Master Vigil said:
America is great because it is not a solely christian nation, but allows all faiths to flourish. I wish it wouldn't be called a christian nation. For I am part of this nation, and am not christian. What does that make me?
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A (shudder!!!) minority - a "second-class" citizen? A heretic, a heathen?????

Those would not be my answers for I beleive the strength of America is in the diverse cultural gifts to the country.
 
Master Vigil

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
Indeed, it would not be benifiting if it was a christian nation. For then all in the nation would eventually have to become christian or else the nation could be known as such. Religion should not define a nation. We have seen in the past how that turn out. And its not pretty.
 
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Fra.Morelia

Member
It makes him a person enjoying the benefits of living in a reasobly free republic. It makes him a citizen, nothing more nothing less. As I have said before: My nation is defended by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Shamanists, Buddhists, Taoists, Aethiests, Agnostics, Occultists, Satanists, Chaoists, Hindus, good old fashioned lunatics and stone cold nihilists. This is not a christian nation, it is a free nation, and when you realize who is doing the bleeding, the christian nation argument is pretty silly. We have buried Muslim soldiers in the war on terror. Men who died to defend what they believe is the true vision of Islam they found in a free country. A Muslim fought against Mohammed Farrah Aidid in Mogadishu, serving in our military. A Moslem who was his nephew. Because he is free in America and wanted to give a little slice of that to his people. He was reaping the benefits of living in his Moslem nation, just as I reap the benefits of living in my Chaoist nation. Just as Vigil ives in his Taoist nation, and you in your christian nation. Because she is whatever we need her to be, whenever we need her to be therefor us.
The nation is built with the minds of Christian forebearers, the lumber was carried by black men, the skelteon placed bone by bone by the chinese. The blood of natives sped it's growth. It's pulse was regulated by the Irish. We have to realize where we came from, and what was done so terribly wrong, or we will never get to where we need to be.
 
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