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The Russia Politics Thread

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I ran across an interview with the former richest man in Russia,
Mikhail Khodorkovsky. He ran afoul of Putin when he criticized
policy, & expressed interest in running for President. He was
subsequently imprisoned.
His view is that it's not an oligarchy. Putin is in total control,
with the alleged "oligarchs" being merely agents of Putin.

Another former Russian inner circle type relating her experience
living in Russia, with access to upper echelon types.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I don't have time to listen to the entire piece but I agree with him. Putin only respects force.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I ran across an interview with the former richest man in Russia,
Mikhail Khodorkovsky. He ran afoul of Putin when he criticized
policy, & expressed interest in running for President. He was
subsequently imprisoned.
His view is that it's not an oligarchy. Putin is in total control,
with the alleged "oligarchs" being merely agents of Putin.

Another former Russian inner circle type relating her experience
living in Russia, with access to upper echelon types.
I admit I have not watched the videos yet, but I hope you won't mind if I opine a little anyway.

My own impression is that Russia has "oligarchs" only because Putin has arranged it so that those who support him reap fabulous rewards, and thus will want to continue to support him. It is quite obvious, through the Khodorkovsky story and others, that when you stop supporting him, your time as an oligarch is coming swiftly to its end.

Putin is, I think, a man of fairly limited imagination. He was not -- from various sources I've read -- a particularly good KGB agent. And he has been dictator for longer than he was an agent, and it's actually fairly difficult to articulate what his accomplishments were in either role.

This is why I prefer the Westminster parliamentary model of government to (obviously) autocracy, but also (less obviously) to the US model. It is handy, every once in a while, to be able to toss a government out over tea-time. (See the ouster of the 6-month old Joe Clark Conservative government in Canada in 1979. Done in hours, not years.)
 

stanberger

Active Member
not odd at all we in u s do it all the time. remember the Latin American wars. we supplied the contras because we are alarmed at leftists being elected ....we inserted isis in syria in order to keep asad in place ...removed newly elected Morsi in Egypt to support dictator sisi
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I admit I have not watched the videos yet, but I hope you won't mind if I opine a little anyway.
No problem.
That's why I gave the brief summary.
My own impression is that Russia has "oligarchs" only because Putin has arranged it so that those who support him reap fabulous rewards, and thus will want to continue to support him. It is quite obvious, through the Khodorkovsky story and others, that when you stop supporting him, your time as an oligarch is coming swiftly to its end.
Fabulous rewards are consistent with Khodorkovsky's
claim that they're Putin's "agents", rather than oligarchs
who actually wield power of their own.
Putin is, I think, a man of fairly limited imagination. He was not -- from various sources I've read -- a particularly good KGB agent. And he has been dictator for longer than he was an agent, and it's actually fairly difficult to articulate what his accomplishments were in either role.
His primary accomplishment has been
gaining singular power over the country.
This is why I prefer the Westminster parliamentary model of government to (obviously) autocracy, but also (less obviously) to the US model. It is handy, every once in a while, to be able to toss a government out over tea-time. (See the ouster of the 6-month old Joe Clark Conservative government in Canada in 1979. Done in hours, not years.)
OK.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Thank you google translate.

"Mikhail Khodorkovsky "as an individual, in 1998-1999. evaded income tax and insurance contributions to the Pension Fund in the amount of 53 million rubles ($1.7 million). Prigovor.ru recalls that it was August 12, 2004 0 5601"

Is that quote supposed to be a vindication of Mr. Khodorkovsky being imprisoned? Are you suggesting that Putin is a civil & lawful minded nice guy?
I favor having tax evaders pay restitution and punitive damage awards to the state in lieu of imprisonment. I consider Putin as being cruel, uncivil and unlawful
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
I favor having tax evaders pay restitution and punitive damage awards to the state in lieu of imprisonment.
I fully agree. However, there is a fair chance he never committed such crimes, and they were simply drummed up by Putin, in order to “justify” removing any competition.

I consider Putin as being cruel, uncivil and unlawful
That vastly understates his crimes.
He is a criminal, guilty of bribery, extortion, and murder of business and state officials, as well as law enforcement and military personnel. Additionally he is guilty of ordering (and likely persoanally committing) a wide variety of war crimes, including, but by no means limited to rape, torture, and murder of civilians, including women and small children.
His crimes must be punished by death. Preferably horrifically painful (both physically and mentally, and lasting for weeks.) But (most of) the people of the world, including Russia, would be happy with a high caliber bullet through his brain. That about sums up the considerations on these two.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What a ****hole country....
Spurred by Putin, Russians Turn on One Another Over the War
Excerpted....
Marina Dubrova, an English teacher on the Russian island of Sakhalin in the Pacific, showed an uplifting YouTube video to her eighth-grade class last month in which children, in Russian and Ukrainian, sing about a “world without war.”

After she played it, a group of girls stayed behind during recess and quizzed her on her views.

Ukraine is a separate country, a separate one,” Ms. Dubrova, 57, told them.

“No longer,” one of the girls shot back.

A few days later, the police came to her school in the port town of Korsakov. In court, she heard a recording of that conversation, apparently made by one of the students. The judge handed down a $400 fine for “publicly discrediting” Russia’s Armed Forces. The school fired her, she said, for “amoral behavior.”

“It’s as though they’ve all plunged into some kind of madness,” Ms. Dubrova said in a phone interview, reflecting on the pro-war mood around her.

With President Vladimir V. Putin’s direct encouragement, Russians who support the war against Ukraine are starting to turn on the enemy within.

The episodes are not yet a mass phenomenon, but they illustrate the building paranoia and polarization in Russian society. Citizens are denouncing one another in an eerie echo of Stalin’s terror, spurred on by vicious official rhetoric from the state and enabled by far-reaching new laws that criminalize dissent.

There are reports of students turning in teachers and people telling on their neighbors and even the diners at the next table. In a mall in western Moscow, it was the “no to war” text displayed in a computer repair store and reported by a passer-by that got the store’s owner, Marat Grachev, detained by the police. In St. Petersburg, a local news outlet documented the furor over suspected pro-Western sympathies at the public library; it erupted after a library official mistook the image of a Soviet scholar on a poster for that of Mark Twain.

In the western region of Kaliningrad, the authorities sent residents text messages urging them to provide phone numbers and email addresses of “provocateurs” in connection with the “special operation” in Ukraine, Russian newspapers reported; they can do so conveniently through a specialized account in the Telegram messaging app. A nationalist political party launched a website urging Russians to report “pests” in the elite.

“I am absolutely sure that a cleansing will begin,” Dmitri Kuznetsov, the member of Parliament behind the website, said in an interview, predicting that the process would accelerate after the “active phase” of the war ended. He then clarified: “We don’t want anyone to be shot, and we don’t even want people to go to prison.”

But it is the history of mass execution and political imprisonment in the Soviet era, and the denunciation of fellow citizens encouraged by the state, that now looms over Russia’s deepening climate of repression. Mr. Putin set the tone in a speech on March 16, declaring that Russian society needed a “self-purification” in which people would “distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths.”

In the Soviet logic, those who choose not to report their fellow citizens could be viewed as being suspect themselves.

“In these conditions, fear is settling into people again,” said Nikita Petrov, a leading scholar of the Soviet secret police. “And that fear dictates that you report.”

In March, Mr. Putin signed a law that punishes public statements contradicting the government line on what the Kremlin terms its “special military operation” in Ukraine with as much as 15 years in prison. It was a harsh but necessary measure, the Kremlin said, given the West’s “information war” against Russia.

Prosecutors have already used the law against more than 400 people, according to the OVD-Info rights group, including a man who held up a piece of paper with eight asterisks on it. “No to war” in Russian has eight letters.

“This is some kind of enormous joke that we, to our misfortune, are living in,” Aleksandra Bayeva, the head of OVD-Info’s legal department, said of the absurdity of some of the war-related prosecutions. She said she had seen a sharp rise in the frequency of people reporting on their fellow citizens.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Former Putin Aide: Number of Russians in Poverty Could Triple (businessinsider.com)

The number of Russians living in poverty will probably double and could even triple in the wake of the Ukraine war, President Vladimir Putin's former chief economic adviser has said.

Nearly 19 million Russians live in poverty, according to the World Bank. In an interview with the BBC's Talking Business program, Andrei Illarionov, who served Putin between 2000 and 2005, said: "We'll see probably doubling the number of those people, maybe even tripling."

He said Putin's territorial and imperial ambitions "are much more important than anything else, including livelihoods of Russian population."

Putin seemed to be "completely not interested" in economics or living standards for Russians, Illarionov added.

Illarionov said the resources of Russia's public and private sectors "to increase or even to sustain the income of the population is actually pretty limited."

Putin pledged in 2018 to halve the number of Russians living below the poverty line.

Illarionov told the BBC: "It is absolutely impossible to have any positive future for Russia with the current political regime."

He said there was "no way" that Russia "might be integrated back into the international relations, in the world economy."

Although Russia's ruble has rebounded to where it was before the Ukraine invasion, the country's economy remains in a perilous state.

The Institute of International Finance expects Russia's economy to shrink 15% this year, wiping out 15 years of growth.

The Centre for Strategic Research, a Moscow-based think tank, estimated on April 1 that two million jobs could be lost in Russia this year as unemployment rates rise.

The impact of sanctions and the exit of Western companies, including McDonald's and Goldman Sachs, could cut the supply of goods and services in Russia. Economists have said that Russians may face inflation of 20% or more by the end of the year, Insider previously reported.

This article paints a rather grim picture. It seems the Russians could be facing some pretty hard times. This is not unlike the situation they faced in WW1. A losing war led by bumbling fools, along with a faltering economy at home, leading to strikes, riots, and revolution.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the news...
Top Putin Ally Says He ‘Will Not Hide’ Intention to Invade Poland Anymore
Excerpted...
Ramzan Kadyrov, a key ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has begun rattling off threats about attacking Poland after Ukraine.

Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, suggested Monday that Russia should “denazify and demilitarize” Poland next.

“What if, after the successful completion of the NMD, Russia begins to denazify and demilitarize the next country? After all, after Ukraine, Poland is on the map! I will not hide that I personally have such an intention,” Kadyrov said on Telegram. “I personally have such an intention, and I have repeatedly stated that the fight against Satanism should continue throughout Europe and, first of all, on the territory of Poland.”

Kadyrov warned Tuesday that the time has come for the West to fall to its knees before Russia, predicting that the so-called “special military operation” in Ukraine, would be over by the end of 2023.

“The special [military] operation will be over before the end of this year. European countries will admit they have been wrong, the West will fall to its knees, and, as usual, European countries will have to cooperate with the Russian Federation in all spheres,” Kadyrov said, according to TASS. “There should not and will never be an alternative to that.”
 
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