The Search For Truth

[shunyadragon]

Yes, they have discovered some truths?
Did you just say that?

You are saying the first statement is false then.
Science is the human endeavor to discover truths about the world around us. Scientists seek out answers through observation and experimentation. As we discover more and more, we are able to apply what we've learned to develop new technologies and to improve everyday life. But perhaps more importantly, as we gain knowledge through science, we are able to begin satisfying our deep-felt need to know more about ourselves.

Why don't you write Science - AllAboutScience.org and tell them how wrong they are, and how they have misrepresented science, and how that turns you off.
When you have done that, come talk to me about my first statement.

In fact, why don't you create a blog, condemning a third of all websites featuring science.
According to the philosopher Karl Popper, science is the search for truth, not the search for certainty.
Science is the search for truth and knowledge

“Science is the search for the truth--it is not a game in which one tries to beat his opponent, to do harm to others. We need to have the spirit of science in international affairs, to make the conduct of international affairs the effort to find the right solution, the just solution of international problems, and not an effort by each nation to get the better of other nations, to do harm to them when it is possible. I believe in morality, in justice, in humanitarianism.”​

― Linus Pauling, Linus Pauling On Peace - A Scientist Speaks Out on Humanism and World Survival

True knowledge is not truth according to you.

Clearly, you are in a camp where the hubris blinds the intelligence, and where the beliefs of individuals makes them feel like an authority on what is, and what is not,
Anyone who says anything different to those in this camp, have taken off the straight jacket they are expected to wear.

Since you are on about what turns you off, that turns me off. It comes across as a self-righteous, domineering authority that carries with it a rigid unyielding stubbornness.
I do not see any reason to take such persons seriously. They say, but cannot show. What they say doesn't hold substance, but are just like puffs of hot air.

No need to apologize for the unwarranted attack of the OP. I know how it goes with you, Dragon.
I also understand how words become somewhat paradoxical in the scientific community. Did I just say that.

yes the knowledge changes over time.?
Did you just say that? True and accurate knowledge changes? Wow.

Theories and hypotheses are only falsified, not proven, and are subject to change over time with new information.

 

[nPeace]

Theories and hypotheses are only falsified, not proven, and are subject to change over time with new information.

Irrelevant to your preceding assertions, and not coherent or relevant to anything I said.

 

[shunyadragon]

Irrelevant to your preceding assertions, and not coherent or relevant to anything I said.

Theories and hypotheses are only falsified, not proven, and are subject to change over time with new information.

 

[nPeace]

Theories and hypotheses are only falsified, not proven, and are subject to change over time with new information.

...and the parroting starts again. LOL.
That turns me off. It comes across as a self-righteous, domineering authority that carries with it a rigid unyielding stubbornness.

 

[YoursTrue]

@YoursTrue having the power to shut the mouth of lions is no big deal for an angel, but when a lion roars on earth, and I get the opportunity to shut its mouth, I don't hesitate to do it justice.

You must read this item. It paints a picture @viole probably wouldn't want you to see.
...according to a 2021 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, gun crime across Sweden is increasing at a faster rate than anywhere else in Europe.
So far this year, 47 people have died from shootings in the country - more than for the whole of 2021.

Many people do not want to admit the 'world' is getting worse, not better. Yet they're looking into outer space...spending lots of brilliant manpower and big money to do that.

 

[Bthoth]

I don't see it. Where did you read that?

I quoted the opening post 'The origin of water on earth' It was in blue.

Your hypothesis-theory on 'The origin of water on earth'?
No, I haven't.

I wrote what has been long passed recognized Oxygen and hydrogen from solar wind. (SWICS) And long ago, I put the pieces together as ionized H when it hits oxygen makes H20

But guess what I just found:

An international team of scientists found that solar winds originating from our star changed the chemical makeup of asteroids orbiting it and causing them to eject oxygen. This oxygen then combined with hydrogen ions in the same solar winds and created water.Dec 2, 2021

Earth's water may have been formed by solar winds​

Natural History Museum
https://www.nhm.ac.uk › discover › news › december



And I identified it decades ago and used my joke as a thesis here at RF

 

[nPeace]

Many people do not want to admit the 'world' is getting worse, not better.

Very much so.
Some see the picture, and have to admit that it's getting uglier and uglier.
One lady... now widowed, after a grenade left on the street, killed her husband, said, ""My view on Sweden has changed. I really wonder how such a thing could happen... I am completely traumatised."

I take back what I said to @viole. People are not fortunate living in Sweden. It seems three times worst than where I live.
There are evidently pockets of areas in Sweden that aren't so bad, but given time, that will change, for sure.
The evidence is clear, even to those that close their eyes to what the Bible reveals.

Yet they're looking into outer space...spending lots of brilliant manpower and big money to do that.

They likely realize their best efforts continue to fail. So, living on a desert planet, or even Mars, seems like a pleasant dream.

 

[nPeace]

I wrote what has been long passed recognized Oxygen and hydrogen from solar wind. (SWICS) And long ago, I put the pieces together as ionized H when it hits oxygen makes H20

But guess what I just found:

An international team of scientists found that solar winds originating from our star changed the chemical makeup of asteroids orbiting it and causing them to eject oxygen. This oxygen then combined with hydrogen ions in the same solar winds and created water.Dec 2, 2021

Earth's water may have been formed by solar winds​

Natural History Museum
https://www.nhm.ac.uk › discover › news › december

And I identified it decades ago and used my joke as a thesis here at RF

That's an interesting idea.
It got me wondering, why no more water is being added.

Two billion years
The amount of water on Earth is constant or nearly so 1. Although there are volcanic eruptions that expel water vapor into the atmosphere, the amount of water can be considered constant1. The water on Earth goes through the water cycle, and the amount of water on Earth and in its atmosphere remains constant 2. The overall amount of water on our planet has remained the same for two billion years 3.

What would you say?

 

[Bthoth]

That's an interesting idea.
It got me wondering, why no more water is being added.

Northern lights are ongoing. Have you counted the h20 molecules since your birth?

Two billion years
The amount of water on Earth is constant or nearly so 1. Although there are volcanic eruptions that expel water vapor into the atmosphere, the amount of water can be considered constant1. The water on Earth goes through the water cycle, and the amount of water on Earth and in its atmosphere remains constant 2. The overall amount of water on our planet has remained the same for two billion years 3.

What would you say?

Or nearly so?!?

 

[nPeace]

Northern lights are ongoing. Have you counted the h20 molecules since your birth?

Or nearly so?!?

LOL. It means they aren't seeing a significant change.
If the idea that solar winds dumped trillions of gallons of water, on the earth, then after two billion years we would expect to see more than double that amount... unless it's adding and taking away the same amount.
Then the question would be, when and why did it change?
In any case, the idea has numerous problems to address.

 

[Bthoth]

LOL. It means they aren't seeing a significant change.

OK, but the same process is still ongoing, just like the evolution of knowledge.

If the idea that solar winds dumped trillions of gallons of water, on the earth, then after two billion years we would expect to see more than double that amount...

Fact remains, it was not created by some magical being and the process is ongoing about naturally.

 

[nPeace]

OK, but the same process is still ongoing, just like the evolution of knowledge.

Fact remains, it was not created by some magical being and the process is ongoing about naturally.

That's not a fact, but I do agree it wasn't created by some magical being, since I don't believe in magic, and just because humans think that they are the most powerful things in existence, because they can take metals which they haven't created, and make a car, that doesn't make it factual that there is nothing greater than them, that can actually create the very metals they use, and more... without using so-called magic..

In fact, I think humans dream of becoming more intelligent that they are, when they actually know how to do more than create dangerous items that choke the life out of our sea creatures, and kill millions with cancer, and then say "Oops".
I too would envy a creator with more wisdom, to know how to make a planet, with water, and set everything so precise so as to make sure that vital element does not diminish.

 

[viole]

I take back what I said to @viole. People are not fortunate living in Sweden. It seems three times worst than where I live.
There are evidently pockets of areas in Sweden that aren't so bad, but given time, that will change, for sure.
The evidence is clear, even to those that close their eyes to what the Bible reveals.

Well, I do not live in Sweden

Ciao

- viole

 

[Bthoth]

That's not a fact,

I used the Northern Lights to express Fact. Ionized H hitting the Oxygen are making h20.

but I do agree it wasn't created by some magical being, since I don't believe in magic, and just because humans think that they are the most powerful things in existence, because they can take metals which they haven't created, and make a car, that doesn't make it factual that there is nothing greater than them, that can actually create the very metals they use, and more... without using so-called magic..

I get it, just as the water on the earth is not by magic. It's here naturally.

In fact, I think humans dream of becoming more intelligent that they are, when they actually know how to do more than create dangerous items that choke the life out of our sea creatures, and kill millions with cancer, and then say "Oops".
I too would envy a creator with more wisdom, to know how to make a planet, with water, and set everything so precise so as to make sure that vital element does not diminish.

Wow, it's hard to keep up with the gibberish going back and forth.

Nature, not gods, magic or miracles is why the earth has water. Learning how the processes work is not a dream, it's an ongoing process of knowledge evolving with the human condition, by the hands of people and the tools 'we' create.

 

[nPeace]

Well, I do not live in Sweden

Ciao

- viole

It doesn't matter. Any place will have its challenges. ...but why are you recommending this as one of those places persons could choose to live?

 

[nPeace]

Wow, it's hard to keep up with the gibberish going back and forth.

You are so right.

 

[YoursTrue]

Very much so.
Some see the picture, and have to admit that it's getting uglier and uglier.
One lady... now widowed, after a grenade left on the street, killed her husband, said, ""My view on Sweden has changed. I really wonder how such a thing could happen... I am completely traumatised."

I take back what I said to @viole. People are not fortunate living in Sweden. It seems three times worst than where I live.
There are evidently pockets of areas in Sweden that aren't so bad, but given time, that will change, for sure.
The evidence is clear, even to those that close their eyes to what the Bible reveals.


They likely realize their best efforts continue to fail. So, living on a desert planet, or even Mars, seems like a pleasant dream.

I used the Northern Lights to express Fact. Ionized H hitting the Oxygen are making h20.

I get it, just as the water on the earth is not by magic. It's here naturally.

Wow, it's hard to keep up with the gibberish going back and forth.

Nature, not gods, magic or miracles is why the earth has water. Learning how the processes work is not a dream, it's an ongoing process of knowledge evolving with the human condition, by the hands of people and the tools 'we' create.

God made the elements and can control what He wants when He wants. That men put names on certain functions like gravity and can investigate certain properties does not mean that humans, no matter how well educated they are, are smarter than the elements.

 

[Bthoth]

God made the elements and can control what He wants when He wants.

That is absolutely hilarious. Which god made 'the elements'? I've never heard such a joke. In the days of bible writing they could barely even understand the difference between unconscious and dead. I understand the creation idea and if elements have been described that a god must have made them too. I get it but I have never observed your response in such a cute way. Can I ask if he created cancer just to pick on children and the elderly as entertainment?

That men put names on certain functions like gravity and can investigate certain properties does not mean that humans, no matter how well educated they are, are smarter than the elements.

No single element is conscious of itself but people are. Human being have over a trillion elements working together. The elements are not doing the thinking, the light coherent of itself is what makes the life conscious.

Has any god explained that process to you?

 

[YoursTrue]

That is absolutely hilarious. Which god made 'the elements'? I've never heard such a joke. In the days of bible writing they could barely even understand the difference between unconscious and dead. I understand the creation idea and if elements have been described that a god must have made them too. I get it but I have never observed your response in such a cute way. Can I ask if he created cancer just to pick on children and the elderly as entertainment?

No single element is conscious of itself but people are. Human being have over a trillion elements working together. The elements are not doing the thinking, the light coherent of itself is what makes the life conscious.

Has any god explained that process to you?

No? No single element is conscious of itself? No kidding. You think? Continuing the process from element binding to element plus more called by some evolution, and then you think/imagine consciousness came into the mix, now that is truly hilarious!

 

[Bthoth]

No? No single element is conscious of itself? No kidding. You think? Continuing the process from element binding to element plus more called by some evolution, and then you think/imagine consciousness came into the mix, now that is truly hilarious!

You and I are here, alive and conscious. What's so hilarious about what is true and what is real