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The Self-Absorbed Moral Judgments from Some Western Liberals

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Earlier today, I was reading some reviews of Hogwart's Legacy and checking out a few articles sharing reviewers' opinions on the controversy surrounding the game. One article stated that reviewers' refusal to boycott the game was a "failure of media," while another concluded their review with a link to an article about J. K. Rowling's comments and a list of pro-trans charities to which they said viewers could donate.

Some of the same gaming outlets that had no qualms reviewing games from Activision at the height of its scandals are now using boycotts of Hogwart's Legacy as some sort of moral litmus test—even though J. K. Rowling only gets royalties from the game, unlike Activision, EA, and other abusive corporations that get to pocket the full revenue from their games. A question cries out for an answer here: between J. K. Rowling's tweets and a multi-billion-dollar corporation with a deeply sexist, exploitative culture that enables harassment and mistreatment of employees, which is (or was, as Activision's CEO has been replaced) more damaging? And if both are/were somehow equally damaging, shouldn't the same reviewers have also boycotted Activision?

The upcoming entry in the Call of Duty franchise is expected to be set during the Iraq War, popularly (and resoundingly falsely) known as "Operation Iraqi Freedom." While there has been some pushback against this due to the glorification of an illegal, brutal war of aggression, most gaming outlets are covering it with no objection—and certainly without nearly as much objection as they have expressed toward Hogwart's Legacy, even though the problematic aspects of the former are within the game itself and not in the published opinions of an affiliated author.

I have long been of the opinion that much of Western liberalism is mired in inconsistency, selective outrage, self-absorption, and style over substance. The inconsistency and self-righteous moral judgments that some have displayed in this controversy, along with a lot of the criticism surrounding the World Cup in Qatar, have only solidified my impression. A lot of liberals tout multiculturalism and understanding of other cultures as noble values that they strive to possess. It seems to me that perhaps it's time they put that into practice instead of preaching it from an oblivious and self-absorbed soapbox. Condemning people for enjoying a game may generate reactions and score political points, but it certainly doesn't replace introspection and genuine moral values.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
It's getting harder for me to call myself a liberal anymore. I often feel like I have no where to hang my hat (politically). Many on "my side" are becoming an embarrassment and part of the problem. I'll still hang on. I'm really voting against something I deem worse. Not all is lost over here. Unfortunately, it makes me seem like I'm voting for something when I am not. American politics have become pathetic. That being said, I am getting tired of the gaming industry in general.
 

JDMS

Academic Workhorse
As a trans person... yeah. I'm not really sure why the Harry Potter game is what is bothering so many people right now when certain states (Oklahoma) are attempting to stop adults under 26 years old from transition. Like why the hell is the game the focus right now? Absurdity.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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It's getting harder for me to call myself a liberal anymore. I often feel like I have no where to hang my hat (politically). Many on "my side" are becoming an embarrassment and part of the problem. I'll still hang on. I'm really voting against something I deem worse. Not all is lost over here. Unfortunately, it makes me seem like I'm voting for something when I am not. American politics have become pathetic. That being said, I am getting tired of the gaming industry in general.

The gaming industry has been plagued with unethical practices and a toxic workplace culture for years. The idea that this one game is where the line has been crossed strikes me as equal parts oblivious (or deliberately selective) and hyperbolic.

I don't call myself a liberal either, but that didn't start with the superficial and simplistic takes on this issue. It started when I compared the views of many Arab secularists, mine included, about mainstream Islamic sects to those of many liberals in the West and realized how disconnected from our reality most of their views were. For all of the talk about listening to the lived experiences of others, it certainly seems that some liberals pay too little attention to valid criticism of mainstream varieties of Islamic dogma when it's inconvenient to their worldview. It's much easier to dismiss it as "Islamophobia."
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
As a trans person... yeah. I'm not really sure why the Harry Potter game is what is bothering so many people right now when certain states (Oklahoma) are attempting to stop adults under 26 years old from transition. Like why the hell is the game the focus right now? Absurdity.
Agreed. There are more important issues facing us.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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As a trans person... yeah. I'm not really sure why the Harry Potter game is what is bothering so many people right now when certain states (Oklahoma) are attempting to stop adults under 26 years old from transition. Like why the hell is the game the focus right now? Absurdity.

I suspect that part of it has to do with convenience: it's relatively easy to tell one's group of friends or audience for a review to boycott a game when the climate is already charged against a specific author, but it's much harder to take concrete steps against restrictive legislation and hostile lawmakers. The latter is far more useful in the real world, while the former is an easier and quicker way to access a soapbox and condemn others for making a different decision.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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. . .

I recommend being cautious in using the modern video gaming industry as the foundation of your argument here.

The issue is less one of "Western liberalism" than the result of shifts that have been occurring in the demographics of the video gaming industry and its customer base combined with the significant conflicts of interest present in video games journalism these days.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Premium Member
. . .

I recommend being cautious in using the modern video gaming industry as the foundation of your argument here.

The issue is less one of "Western liberalism" than the result of shifts that have been occurring in the demographics of the video gaming industry and its customer base combined with the significant conflicts of interest present in video games journalism these days.

I mentioned the controversy around the last edition of the World Cup as another example. I would also place some of the commentary about the Ukraine war within that category.

I intentionally avoided expanding on those in this OP to avoid making it overly lengthy, though.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Yeah, I won't be getting the CoD game. Not out of moral outrage, but I've always found the games shallow and repetitive.

I agree that this game (CoD) is probably a worse premise then HPL.

My opinion on Legacy can be summed up by this twitch streamer. (Substanceless virtue signaling)

 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
From what I understand, JK got her royalties from Warner Brothers for their continued use of the Wizarding World IP as a whole, not from this game directly. Even if this game were to flop and everyone were to boycott it, she still gets paid.

I prefer to do actual voting against the bills out to harm the trans community and put my effort in that way. In the meantime, I am seeing so many of my peers (though they're divided) deeply enjoy the trans visibility in the game itself (yes, I am well aware of her name and I think criticism of it is a massive stretch) as well as the options given to the character. It's a pretty big move for games, and a big middle finger to Rowling that it's in a Wizarding World IP.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
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I mentioned the controversy around the last edition of the World Cup as another example. I would also place some of the commentary about the Ukraine war within that category.

I intentionally avoided expanding on those in this OP to avoid making it overly lengthy, though.

That's very fair.

The video game industry and its fanbase does make itself an easy target to showcase as an example of some of these problems these days. It's... genuinely... what word to put to it? Many days I find it just confusing. Some days I find it annoying or sad. Or wishing it would be connected to broader issues in society, as you rightly observe.

As with the video games fanbase, I think a lot of the inconsistency happens because we're not talking about homogenous groups of people. Folks don't get upset about the same sorts of things, or "take a stand" as it were to the same degree on all issues, while some take things "too far" or "not far enough" depending on point of view. Some critiques I've seen certainly strike me as self-absorbed. Others, less so or not at all. It's complicated. :sweat:
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Le sigh
This latest “scandal” is causing a lot of divides and drama in the already divided and drama filled landscape that is “LeftTube.”
Some lefty streamers proposed playing the game live in order to raise money for pro trans charity groups. Something they backed off due to vocal outcry. Which might have just been a loud minority since there was a lot of vocal support as well, but idk. Either way that caused a lot of resentment to build up towards the pro boycotters. Earned or not.

Some trans content creators I watch were visibly hurt by the refusal to boycott from outspoken allies. Now I dare not speak on their behalf, but I suspect it was sort of a “last straw” kind of deal. And I know that for one in particular that was likely due to harassment she received from Rowling’s fans directly. So I can understand why she would be hurt.

The phenomenon of grandstanding or gatekeeping morality has long divided much of the leftsphere. Many just decrying the “woke scolds” and others dismissing the gestures as youthful enthusiasm gone wrong.

But performative protesting is an easy way to pretend to be an ally in the capitalist market, I suppose. Earns the company good will from beleaguered leftists trying desperately to find some ray of hope and yes from the young naive leftists who don’t fully understand the fake gestures yet.

Though I will say it is beyond weird to see the very same crowd of folks who used to decry the HP franchise as “demonic” and “teaching kids to be gay” (Dumbledore) suddenly clamour to praise Rowling.

The franchise to me just represents too much anger and hurt that I no longer buy anything related to it. Even as I cling to fond childhood memories of it.
It’s just too exhausting. Can’t imagine what it’s like for trans fans. Even if they don’t care about the recent boycott.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Fantastic OP !!

Borrowing from Bill Maher, I consider myself to be a "classic liberal", and I think the far-left or alt-left or radical-left (I'd be happy to learn the correct term), has cobbled together an incoherent and damaging collection of ideas and judgments. :(

For sure, I've grown almost knee-jerk suspicious of identity politics.
 
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In general, usual caveats etc etc

Problematising people and things gains social credit, the bigger the person or thing the more the social credit.

Performative outrage is part of the social economy of signalling that you are A Very Good Tribe Member.

JKR is a Very Bad Person because enough people said she is so it must be true. Gain points by howling in outrage, contribute to your sense that you are a Very Good Person.

Jumping on the latest bandwagon is low cost signalling, but runs into problems when people face actual costs.

Dilemma: gain social credit by performative boycott or play the game you really want to play. Hmm…

No one gives up their iPhones to protest labour practices as it’s too costly, and unless there is a bandwagon to jump on there is not enough social credit gained from participating in less popular boycotts.

Slacktivism requires a sweet spot of popularity and minimal cost.

When people face actual costs, attitudes can change very quickly. Hence the (quite humorous) scrambling to justify why it’s actually ok to play the game while still being a Very Good Person who hates the correct target.

Fun with cognitive dissonance - episode 45286 :D
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As a trans person... yeah. I'm not really sure why the Harry Potter game is what is bothering so many people right now when certain states (Oklahoma) are attempting to stop adults under 26 years old from transition. Like why the hell is the game the focus right now? Absurdity.
Yup. It's a damn game. But, then again, this is a group who praise corporations for painting rainbows on crap once a year while giving to anti-LGBT politicians and causes the rest of the year. They also have a nasty habit of describing Muslims who fled the Middle East in fear of their life "Islamophobes" when these individuals criticize the conditions that were a threat and danger to their safety and wellbeing.
 
I do consider a company who over works people to the point of suicide is a far greater issue than a game set in a world made by an author who said some crappy things on the internet.

The “revolution” will be posted on TikTok in 30s clips filmed on an iPhone 14 Pro.

 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
It's getting harder for me to call myself a liberal anymore. I often feel like I have no where to hang my hat (politically). Many on "my side" are becoming an embarrassment and part of the problem. I'll still hang on. I'm really voting against something I deem worse. Not all is lost over here. Unfortunately, it makes me seem like I'm voting for something when I am not. American politics have become pathetic. That being said, I am getting tired of the gaming industry in general.
Yep. I am centrist and registered as no party affiliation. Unfortunately, FL is a closed primary state, so the extremists of both parties will be choosing my candidates for me. Crap!
 

ADigitalArtist

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I don't buy American military propaganda games, I stopped buying blizzard games, and I don't buy anything Harry Potter related anymore (not even just because JKR is a fart and I don't want to give her money, but because it's a weak fantasy all around).

There will always be crappy things I do participate in because of the world I live in but 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' isn't an endorsement of no consumer activism or you're a hypocrite, because you can't address all ethics concerns. Just that consumer activism alone isn't effective with anemic restraints on practice and you need to go bigger than just 'money as a form of speech.'
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I get that there's people within the trans community that think this is a moral non-issue, or getting under airtime compared to legislature on the dockets, but that's a very US centric view. JKR is directly involved with promoting antitrans legislature in the UK, as well as antitrans groups. Her impact with her money is not nothing and the sooner HP hits cultural irrelevance, the better. Supporting the IP isn't worth it for me, and lots of trans, nonbinary and Jewish folk who have issues with HP.

As always, not condoning buying the video game is not condoning bullying/threatening people who do.
 
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The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Can’t imagine what it’s like for trans fans. Even if they don’t care about the recent boycott.
Speaking only for myself, I'm having a blast. The game is letting me live out how I see myself, and I personally want to see the Wizarding World outlive the old bag. I want to see more games like this that push the boundaries of what was written and change it toward the better, as has been done for IP's like Dungeons & Dragons and Lord of the Rings.

Rowling is still a piece of ****, but to be frank the franchise is too big to fail at this point (and personally, I don't want it to fail, but be better). Energy is thus far better spent battling Rowling's actions at the polls and voting for people who don't stand for her hate.
 
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