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The Self

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Here until I storm off again
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As I come to the end of my strong atheist past, a question comes up that needs to be addressed; what is the "Self"? Does it even really exist? Some groups will tell you that the Self is all that exists and all that matters, others will tell you that the Self does not exist, all is one, be selfless and completely let go of the Ego and sense of personally identity. Then look at the fact that our human consciousness correlates to the brain, our memories are changing, we are constantly increasing our knowledge and experience, even the cells that make the brain are constantly being replaced so the Self is obviously not static and constant, but what is?

The views seems to differ between reductionistic and holistic, but what is it one or the other? This seem fallacious to me. It is obvious that we are part of a greater whole, but even if the "All is One" philosophy is completely correct, there is still a very distinct sense of "I" that I feel should not be ignored. I also think that losing the sense of "I" would render things such as magic invalid, though I do not think a sense of oneness invalidates it either. A common ground, I think, would be best (which is ironic considering that those who want us to reject our sense of self believe in "balance).

Which side do you take, or which point in the greyness between the two?
 

Twig pentagram

High Priest
I think all is connected but we still are individuals. I know that's probably not
the clearest answer, so I guess It's just one of those universal mysteries. :shrug:
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
From my understanding of the subject it hinges on the paradox that we cannot truly be ourselves until we dissolve the ego.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Self/self is a paradox and an enigma that is very nicely captured in the following:

What does "the greatest misfortune is the self" mean?
The reason I have great misfortune
Is that I have the self
If I have no self
What misfortune do I have?
So one who values the self as the world
Can be given the world
One who loves the self as the world
Can be entrusted with the world

Accurate Translation of the Tao Te Ching
 

NIX

Daughter of Chaos
The self is basically what you make of what you have to work with.

We make and remake ourselves many times over, usually in a more gradual and unnoticed manner.
Some of us, at one point or another, more radically so. Even to the point of becoming unrecognizable almost overnight.

I have no say regarding 'the all' beyond the say of my self.
Hopefully I create a life that suits me, and then that life suits the world around me in some favorable way.
 
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Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
The Self is one, a singular identity. The Self is the totality of all that you can manifest in the world. The Self is ever-changing and ever-permanent and can change almost anything with sufficient will. Some practicioners of self-Initiation or Xeper say that the Self of living people has four aspects - the carnal, the emotional, the intellectual, and the daimonic, and that each must be developed harmoniously with the others. A good reading of P.D. Ouspensky's "The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution" will enlighten one's intellect to the process of these developments of the Self.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\
 
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Bhairava

Member
The self and Self are two different things. The self represents ego and the Self represents the ultimate reality. Self with a capital S comes from Sanatana Dharma and is said to be satcitananda truth consciousness bliss.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
The self and Self are two different things. The self represents ego and the Self represents the ultimate reality. Self with a capital S comes from Sanatana Dharma and is said to be satcitananda truth consciousness bliss.

Yes. But what is the reality of self?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
As I come to the end of my strong atheist past, a question comes up that needs to be addressed; what is the "Self"? Does it even really exist? Some groups will tell you that the Self is all that exists and all that matters, others will tell you that the Self does not exist, all is one, be selfless and completely let go of the Ego and sense of personally identity. Then look at the fact that our human consciousness correlates to the brain, our memories are changing, we are constantly increasing our knowledge and experience, even the cells that make the brain are constantly being replaced so the Self is obviously not static and constant, but what is?

The views seems to differ between reductionistic and holistic, but what is it one or the other? This seem fallacious to me. It is obvious that we are part of a greater whole, but even if the "All is One" philosophy is completely correct, there is still a very distinct sense of "I" that I feel should not be ignored. I also think that losing the sense of "I" would render things such as magic invalid, though I do not think a sense of oneness invalidates it either. A common ground, I think, would be best (which is ironic considering that those who want us to reject our sense of self believe in "balance).

Which side do you take, or which point in the greyness between the two?

There is no true definition of a self, but selflessness is the greatest evil that one man could perform
 

The Wizard

Active Member
As I come to the end of my strong atheist past, a question comes up that needs to be addressed; what is the "Self"? Does it even really exist? Some groups will tell you that the Self is all that exists and all that matters, others will tell you that the Self does not exist, all is one, be selfless and completely let go of the Ego and sense of personally identity. Then look at the fact that our human consciousness correlates to the brain, our memories are changing, we are constantly increasing our knowledge and experience, even the cells that make the brain are constantly being replaced so the Self is obviously not static and constant, but what is?

The views seems to differ between reductionistic and holistic, but what is it one or the other? This seem fallacious to me. It is obvious that we are part of a greater whole, but even if the "All is One" philosophy is completely correct, there is still a very distinct sense of "I" that I feel should not be ignored. I also think that losing the sense of "I" would render things such as magic invalid, though I do not think a sense of oneness invalidates it either. A common ground, I think, would be best (which is ironic considering that those who want us to reject our sense of self believe in "balance).

Which side do you take, or which point in the greyness between the two?
Depends what mood I'm in. I have fun, be happy and find value in both... Both sides are great... I don't require a permission to "cross."..

Holistically... time does not have to be viewed linear. Actually, linear thought of time and being will fragment a conscious being into distortion. Thats why most do not feel "whole" or fulfilled in Life. The Now IS the only moment... Much Sun and Joy is found there...imo.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
The self or atleast the sense of.it. is a mans greatest assest/tool. Even more so for the magician
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
The self or atleast the sense of.it. is a mans greatest assest/tool. Even more so for the magician

Ok, but how is the self or the sense of self a tool? A tool for what? :D

Xeper.
/Adramelek\
 
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