The space was smoke

[exchemist]

What about Oxygen and carbon, were they existed or evolved?
Don't you think that the nebula consists of other elements than Hydrogen and Helium?

I've just told you: all the elements heavier than hydrogen and helium evolved due to nuclear fusion. But OK you probably don't know enough science to know what "heavier" means. It includes oxygen and carbon. It includes every other element. Hydrogen and helium are the lightest of the elements, you see.

My point is that these nebulae are only produced at the end of the life of a star. So at the beginning, when the cosmos formed and when our galaxy first formed, there was only hydrogen and helium. So no dust. By the time - far far later - that our solar system formed, it was a different story.

 

[exchemist]

The verse is about the date that earth was created and the space was smoke.
Was that the big bang?

No. The earth formed when our solar system formed, about 5bn years ago. The big bang and the formation of our galaxy took place - according to the model - a long, long time before that, about 14bn years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. The earth formed when our solar system formed, about 5bn years ago. The big bang and the formation of our galaxy took place - according to the model - a long, long time before that, about 14bn years ago.

It looks like he is conflating the nebular hypothesis and the Big Bang theory. Oddly enough creationist Kent Hovind made the same error.

 

[exchemist]

It looks like he is conflating the nebular hypothesis and the Big Bang theory. Oddly enough creationist Kent Hovind made the same error.

Ah yes, the creationist who has done time for tax fraud.

Not that I am remotely suggesting our poster is not honest - I think he sincerely wishes the Quran to be right abut science, but is handicapped by not actually knowing much science.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ah yes, the creationist who has done time for tax fraud.

And who' PhD thesis begins "Hello, I'm Kent Hovind."

 

[exchemist]

And who' PhD thesis begins "Hello, I'm Kent Hovind."

You mean he's Doctor Kent Hovind!!!
Yikes! Who awarded him that?

 

[FearGod]

I've just told you: all the elements heavier than hydrogen and helium evolved due to nuclear fusion. But OK you probably don't know enough science to know what "heavier" means. It includes oxygen and carbon. It includes every other element. Hydrogen and helium are the lightest of the elements, you see.

I took it in the elementary school before even learning English.
Dynamic Periodic Table

My point is that these nebulae are only produced at the end of the life of a star. So at the beginning, when the cosmos formed and when our galaxy first formed, there was only hydrogen and helium. So no dust. By the time - far far later - that our solar system formed, it was a different story.

When earth was created and the sky was smoke, do you understand from it that it talks
about the origin of the universe?

 

[FearGod]

No. The earth formed when our solar system formed, about 5bn years ago. The big bang and the formation of our galaxy took place - according to the model - a long, long time before that, about 14bn years ago.

Do you think really that my question was serious and not being sarcastic?
So you should understand by yourself that the verse isn't talking about the big bang
since earth was already created when the space was smoke.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean he's Doctor Kent Hovind!!!
Yikes! Who awarded him that?

Patriot "University".

It is a double wide trailer in the middle of a desert:

Patriot Bible University - Wikipedia

Please note this is not your run of the mill unaccredited university, did I not say that it was a double wide trailer home?

And yes, he still goes by "Dr." Hovind to this day.

 

[FearGod]

It looks like he is conflating the nebular hypothesis and the Big Bang theory. Oddly enough creationist Kent Hovind made the same error.

The verse has nothing to do with the theory of big bang, as the earth was created
when the space was smoke.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The verse has nothing to do with the theory of big bang, as the earth was created
when the space was smoke.

This post of yours contradicts what you said in your OP:

"At the beginning it was smoke and scientists were able to trace the formation of stars
from the remnants of the smoke."

You rambled on about the Big Bang for a while and how that you were obviously wrong about that you are merely reinterpreting that verse again. Reinterpreting verses from holy books is not very convincing. It only convinces those already in your religion. And all religions appear to do this, though Islam tends to be more guilty of this than most.

 

[exchemist]

I took it in the elementary school before even learning English.
Dynamic Periodic Table



When earth was created and the sky was smoke, do you understand from it that it talks
about the origin of the universe?

If you know the periodic table, you have no business asking me whether oxygen and carbon were formed by fusion, when I had already told you every element heavier than hydrogen and helium was formed that way.

I do not understand your last question. What "it" are you referring to? The Quran? I have told you very clearly that the Earth is understood to have formed 9bn years after the universe originated, which is thought also to be quite close to the age of our galaxy. You are the person claiming that the Quran refers to some celestial formation process. So you have to decide which event you think it is talking about!

The longer this goes on, the weaker your case that the Quran has anything to say about physical cosmology. Though of course it may well have metaphysical , or poetical, things to say about the origin of the cosmos, which is something else entirely.

 

[FearGod]

This post of yours contradicts what you said in your OP:

"At the beginning it was smoke and scientists were able to trace the formation of stars
from the remnants of the smoke."

You rambled on about the Big Bang for a while and how that you were obviously wrong about that you are merely reinterpreting that verse again. Reinterpreting verses from holy books is not very convincing. It only convinces those already in your religion. And all religions appear to do this, though Islam tends to be more guilty of this than most.

Yes at the beginning it was gas and dust before earth and other planets in our solar system
exist, When I say at the beginning it doesn't mean the BB.

 

[FearGod]

If you know the periodic table, you have no business asking me whether oxygen and carbon were formed by fusion, when I had already told you every element heavier than hydrogen and helium was formed that way.

I do not understand your last question. What "it" are you referring to? The Quran? I have told you very clearly that the Earth is understood to have formed 9bn years after the universe originated, which is thought also to be quite close to the age of our galaxy. You are the person claiming that the Quran refers to some celestial formation process. So you have to decide which event you think it is talking about!

The longer this goes on, the weaker your case that the Quran has anything to say about physical cosmology. Though of course it may well have metaphysical , or poetical, things to say about the origin of the cosmos, which is something else entirely.

Perhaps the most majestic entities in space, nebulae are interstellar clouds of gases (hydrogen, helium, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and sulfur) and particles formed from exhausted stars. There are a few different classes of nebulae including: emission, reflection, dark, and planetary nebulae. These different types exhibit unique traits that are easily identifiable.
Nebula

Do you think that the interstellar clouds doesn't contain oxygen and carbon?

 

[ChristineM]

The verse is about the date that earth was created and the space was smoke.
Was that the big bang?

Not according to you. You are very confused about the chronology of the universe and it shows in your posts. I have provided information on the bb and just after, no smoke possible

You have skipped between creation (bb), formation of galaxies some millions of years after the bb and accretion of solar systems

The bb was about 13.7 billion years ago.

Galaxies began to form close on a billion years later.

The first solar systems would have been soon after astronomically speaking.

Our solar began to form 4.6 billion years ago, earth accreted out of the solar dust about 4.54 billion years ago.

Do you see the difference between 13.7 and 4.54 billion???

 

[exchemist]

Perhaps the most majestic entities in space, nebulae are interstellar clouds of gases (hydrogen, helium, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and sulfur) and particles formed from exhausted stars. There are a few different classes of nebulae including: emission, reflection, dark, and planetary nebulae. These different types exhibit unique traits that are easily identifiable.
Nebula

Do you think that the interstellar clouds doesn't contain oxygen and carbon?

Which interstellar clouds and at what age?

 

[FearGod]

Not according to you. You are very confused about the chronology of the universe and it shows in your posts. I have provided information on the bb and just after, no smoke possible

You have skipped between creation (bb), formation of galaxies some millions of years after the bb and accretion of solar systems

The bb was about 13.7 billion years ago.

Galaxies began to form close on a billion years later.

The first solar systems would have been soon after astronomically speaking.

Our solar began to form 4.6 billion years ago, earth accreted out of the solar dust about 4.54 billion years ago.

Do you see the difference between 13.7 and 4.54 billion???

And which time do you think the verse is speaking about when earth was just created at the time the space was smoke?

It's understood from the verse it's our solar system and I have already posted several times an imaginary picture which was denied claiming it's the work of an artist and doesn't represent reality.

Here it's again

 

[FearGod]

Which interstellar clouds and at what age?

Not the beginning of course, should I always repeat it.

 

[gnostic]

We give the meaning for the word, long time ago the word gas didn't exist
and hence the alternative was smoke

Yes because the word gas didn't exist, but still the view looks like smoke.
do you think it should be "the space was gas"

Then Allah is really uneducated, like Muhammad.

Yes I asked if it looks like smoke, so what's wrong with that,
are you annoyed because it really looks like smoke but it isn't smoke?

Actually the real problem is you.

You are trying to present the verse in the Qur’an as true, scientifically, but you are trying to equivocate one thing with something completely different.

That’s not science, that’s just you using dishonest tactics.

If you want me to take you seriously, then stop with the silly nonsense that “space was smoke” to “space looks like smoke”.

it is either one or the other, it can be both...but the reality is, it is neither.

Did you even bother to look up what smoke is?

If you did, then you should understand the Qur’an when it come to describing nature is rubbish superstition, and your interpretations of the verse is absurd and ignorant.

Until you get over that space isn’t smoke, and Earth was never made from smoke, then you will remain ignorant.

The verse is about the date that earth was created and the space was smoke.
Was that the big bang?

If you have to ask, then clearly you don’t understand the Big Bang or Earth science.

There never was smoke in space, but clearly you cannot grasp the concept of astronomy or Earth science.

 

[ChristineM]

Do you think that the interstellar clouds doesn't contain oxygen and carbon?

Average size suns will form carbon only in their red giant stage of life.

If the sun is massive, toward the end of its life it will swell to a red giant. After the red giant stage it can collapse forming heavier elements such as oxygen up to iron.

Supermassive suns will go supernova creating elements heavier than iron.