The space was smoke

[gnostic]

And which time do you think the verse is speaking about when earth was just created at the time the space was smoke?

It's understood from the verse it's our solar system and I have already posted several times an imaginary picture which was denied claiming it's the work of an artist and doesn't represent reality.

Here it's again

Posting again, don’t make you understand it is not depicting “smoke”.

Smoke is a very different type of gas, that cannot create anything, let alone the sun, planets, satellites, asteroids, etc. Smoke is a very useless gas.

Pointing that out to you again, and again, don’t seem to have any impact on your learning capability.

 

[ChristineM]

And which time do you think the verse is speaking about when earth was just created at the time the space was smoke?

It's understood from the verse it's our solar system and I have already posted several times an imaginary picture which was denied claiming it's the work of an artist and doesn't represent reality.

Here it's again

What stage the verse is speaking about, i don't know or care. It is patiently obvious that the author did not know, nor could he know what he was talking about. What i do know is you are making extraordinary and untrue claims about the bb.

Yes i have seen that picture, it has nothing to do with the bb, nor has it anything to do with smoke. It is an image, an artist impression of dust spiralling a sun and lit by that sun, the artists view is about 8 or 10 billion miles away. It is not, as you claimed a few days ago a picture of the bb.

 

[FearGod]

What stage the verse is speaking about, i don't know or care. It is patiently obvious that the author did not know, nor could he know what he was talking about. What i do know is you are making extraordinary and untrue claims about the bb.

Again, it wasn't about the bb.
If you don't care then why you need to discuss a matter that you have no interest in,
why wasting your time in nonsense?

Yes i have seen that picture, it has nothing to do with the bb, nor has it anything to do with smoke. It is an image, an artist impression of dust spiralling a sun and lit by that sun, the artists view is about 8 or 10 billion miles away. It is not, as you claimed a few days ago a picture of the bb.

It wasn't about the bb but about our solar system, the solar nebula.

 

[gnostic]

All the elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and some lithium (I think?)

Yes, you thought correctly that there were trace amount of lithium in the young universe, when atoms were created at the Primordial Nucleosynthesis (or the Big Bang Nucleosynthesis) and eventually bonded electrons with atoms in the Recombination Epoch.

 

[FearGod]

Posting again, don’t make you understand it is not depicting “smoke”.

Smoke is a very different type of gas, that cannot create anything, let alone the sun, planets, satellites, asteroids, etc. Smoke is a very useless gas.

Pointing that out to you again, and again, don’t seem to have any impact on your learning capability.

Other gases can create planets, but if it contains smoke then it can't, that make sense.

 

[gnostic]

No. Now you have changed the subject. You are now talking about our solar system. Before you were talking about our galaxy (the Milky Way). And earlier still you were talking about the origin of the whole cosmos.

Make your mind up what it is you want to discuss, please.

Yes, FearGod do keep jumping from one to another.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, you thought correctly that there were trace amount of lithium in the young universe, when atoms were created at the Primordial Nucleosynthesis (or the Big Bang Nucleosynthesis) and eventually bonded electrons with atoms in the Recombination Epoch.

But this verse is about the time that planet earth was created and not shortly after the bb.

Our cosmic history has several defining epochs, one of which is the point at which star systems began to form planets. Heavy elements such as carbon, silicon and oxygen first needed to be created from huge star explosions called supernovas and the stellar cores of the first generations of stars before the first planets could form. [Supernova Photos: Great Images of Star Explosions]

"Our calculation is an estimate of the minimum amount of heavy elements that must be present in circumstellar disks before planets can form," Johnson said. "Because these heavy elements must be produced by the first stars in the universe, the first planets could only form around later generations of stars."
Heavy Elements Key for Planet Formation, Study Suggests

 

[FearGod]

Yes, FearGod do keep jumping from one to another.

You're the ones mentioning the bb all the times while the verse is talking about
the time that earth was created.

If the verse was talking about the beginning of the universe then i'll agree with you,
but the verse is mentioning that earth was created.

 

[gnostic]

What about Oxygen and carbon, were they existed or evolved?
Don't you think that the nebula consists of other elements than Hydrogen and Helium?

Clearly you don’t understand where oxygen and carbon come from.

It come from earlier stars that turn into red giant stars.

As ChristineM had already pointed to you, ver massive stars that run out of hydrogen to fuse, will explode as supernovas, this will create elements as heavy as iron.

But when less massive stars turned into red giant stars, it will start fusing helium into carbon atoms and/or oxygen atoms.

If you truly want to understand how lighter elements into heavier elements, you should look up and read - “stellar nucleosynthesis”, “red giant star” and “supernova”.

 

[exchemist]

Not the beginning of course, should I always repeat it.

So not the beginning.

Let me remind what you said at the start of this thread. I quote from your first post:
"Now if the quran was made up then why the author has to tell that the space was smoke at the beginning of the creation, what benefit he gets from describing how it looks like at the beginning."

So you have changed your mind, have you?

If the Quran was only talking of formation of the Earth, I suppose that means the Quran says nothing about the creation of the cosmos. Is that right? Seems a tad parochial for a comprehensive creation account, but I'll have to be guided by you, I suppose.

Or could it be that the Prophet, living in c.7th Arabia, would have been unaware of the distinction? Just as you seem to have been, until we pointed it out?

 

[FearGod]

Clearly you don’t understand where oxygen and carbon come from.

It come from earlier stars that turn into red giant stars.

As ChristineM had already pointed to you, ver massive stars that run out of hydrogen to fuse, will explode as supernovas, this will create elements as heavy as iron.

But when less massive stars turned into red giant stars, it will start fusing helium into carbon atoms and/or oxygen atoms.

If you truly want to understand how lighter elements into heavier elements, you should look up and read - “stellar nucleosynthesis”, “red giant star” and “supernova”.

We understand that heavier elements were due to the explosion of a star, that means the solar
nebula contains some heavier elements from a dead star, agree

 

[FearGod]

So not the beginning.

Let me remind what you said at the start of this thread. I quote from your first post:
"Now if the quran was made up then why the author has to tell that the space was smoke at the beginning of the creation, what benefit he gets from describing how it looks like at the beginning."

So you have changed your mind, have you?

If the Quran was only talking of formation of the Earth, I suppose that means the Quran says nothing about the creation of the cosmos. Is that right? Seems a tad parochial for a comprehensive creation account, but I'll have to be guided by you, I suppose.

Or could it be that the Prophet, living in c.7th Arabia, would have been unaware of the distinction? Just as you seem to have been, until we pointed it out?

creating of the cosmos was made in one other verse which states that the cosmos was connected as one piece before being separated apart.

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)

 

[ChristineM]

Again, it wasn't about the bb.
If you don't care then why you need to discuss a matter that you have no interest in,
why wasting your time in nonsense?



It wasn't about the bb but about our solar system, the solar nebula.

Again what? You have not mentioned this to me before, you made a statement now you are backing off that statesment... So not about creation then?

I do not care about the verse, i do care about the misinformation you spread, i thought i made that clear, do you have a comprehension problem?

And you consider facts to be nonsense? How interesting.

 

[FearGod]

Again what? You have not mentioned this to me before, you made a statement now you are backing off that statesment... So not about creation then?

I do not care about the verse, i do care about the misinformation you spread, i thought i made that clear, do you have a comprehension problem?

And you consider facts to be nonsense? How interesting.

Ignore list, I won't respond anymore to your posts and comments, good luck

 

[ChristineM]

Ignore list, I won't respond anymore to your posts and comments, good luck

So facts upset you? Fair enough

 

[Subduction Zone]

So facts upset you? Fair enough

Rats, I usually get put on ignore when I try to help those that refuse to learn.

 

[ChristineM]

Rats, I usually get put on ignore when I try to help those that refuse to learn.

I find its facts that upset people.

And of course there is no helping some people.

 

[FearGod]

Rats, I usually get put on ignore when I try to help those that refuse to learn.

Not in need of your teachings, thrown in the ignore list as well, with pleasure
Good luck

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not in need of your teachings, thrown in the ignore list as well, with pleasure
Good luck

Yay me!!

Seriously, you need to learn from your errors.

 

[Shad]

Seriously, you need to learn from your errors.

Won't happen. These very Quran science miracles are repeated over and over by the same users. One will be posted. Objections and criticism to the claim will be ignored. The thread will die. A few months later the same subject in the a new thread will pop up by the same users as if nothing happened.

Also keep in mind how these ideas form a key part of their faith. Abandoning the miracle claims as wrong would undermine their faith in Islam. After all it changes what appears to be scientific facts into guesses that are wrong. So either God is wrong thus not God or the Quran is a patchwork of guesses no better than you guessing about something.