The stars shall fall from heaven...

[sooda]

Yes..but not all Jews were half breeds...
Those Jews who confronted Jesus Christ were not half breeds..but yet they claimed to be the children of Abraham...
But Jesus Christ showed them that they maybe the seed of Abraham but not the children of Abraham.

And yes there are times that people may make typos when their texting..
So I made a typo in saying the mount of O'lives being in North side of Jerusalem..
When actually the mount of O'lives is on the East side of Jerusalem...

So I want to thank you for catching that..thank you..hope you have a very wonderful and great day and a great weekend

So you are Jewish and live in Israel? How did I get that so wrong?

The Jews in Jerusalem didn't like the upstart from Galilee.. Not all of them but some of them. The Jews were pretty fractured by then any way.. Herodians, Essenes, Zealots, Sicarri, Pharisees and Saducees were pretty much at each other's throats.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It doesn't bother me whether someone is a Jew, Christian and atheist. There is only one consideration and that is the effort one person would make to assist a complete stranger who needs it (Luke 10:25-37).

If one is busy judging others (Matthew 7:1-4) then he needs to be more attentive to his own spiritual life and stop judging others. There needs to be genuine love (Matthew 22:36-40).

Many of the standards that were relevant two thousand years are no more relevant now than many Levitical laws had become during the time of Christ.

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Let's take that of Luke 10:25-37..
First who's the neighbor that Jesus speaks of...
Jesus speaking about the good
Samaritan. Have you any idea who the Samaritan is and how they became Samaritans..
You know only two of them were brother's of Israel. The Priest and Levite were brother's of Israel.
the Samaritans was half breeds Jew of Israel..which Israel considered the Samaritans as their neighbors.
The Samaritans worship the same God as did Israel.
The Samaritans lived close by Israel.
The Samaritans father was Jacob.

You can read about how a Samaritan woman giving Jesus a drink of water at the well of her father Jacob's well in
John 4:1-54.



Now as for Matthew 7:1-4..had you read it carefully..there were times that Jesus told the people to judge for themselves.

As in John 7:24---"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"
Therefore I can judge as long as I don't do it by the appearance..but make absolutely positively certain they are doing what they are revealing.
But that I do righteous judgment.

Yes that maybe true..but however those Levitical laws the Pharisees and Sanhedrin would twist them into what they wanted them to say..to make themselves look good before the people of Israel..
This is another reason why Jesus Christ condemned the Pharisees and Sanhedrin.
Saying to the people of Israel.
Matthew 23:23.28.
23--"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone"

Matthew 23:28--"Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity"
Matthew 23:1-5---"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments'

As you see. Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Sanhedrin because they took the levitical laws and twist them into making themselves look good before the people of Israel.

Thank you for your time and input.

But when upon reading the

bible/scriptures one should remember to search out everything.

Jesus saying not to judge. But it is permissible to judge as long as it's done by righteous judgment.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So you are Jewish and live in Israel? How did I get that so wrong?

The Jews in Jerusalem didn't like the upstart from Galilee.. Not all of them but some of them. The Jews were pretty fractured by then any way.. Herodians, Essenes, Zealots, Sicarri, Pharisees and Saducees were pretty much at each other's throats.

That's because there were some of the Pharisees and Sanhedrin who believed in Jesus Christ.
These being the true seed children of Abraham.

Not all people of Israel live in Israel.
There are many of Israel that live in other countries..
God did by promise to father Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms.
Now why do you suppose the United States is such a great and powerful nation?
Could it be.becsuse God promise father Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms.
It's not because the United States bless Israel.. but because the United States is those 10 tribes of Israel.
Therefore God kept his promises to father Abraham and raised up the United States to become a great nation and powerful nation on earth.
You know many of Christianity will say.
Those who bless Israel God shall bless them.
That's right..but God never said he would make those greater than his own people Israel. Only that God would bless them..

That's like. For say that you have children..
Would you take a complete stranger just because they bless your children and set them higher than your own children.

My guess is that you would not.
So my question is to those of Christianity. You really believe that God would actually take another nation and exalt that Nation higher and mightier than his own people Israel.
Is there something wrong with that picture.

God said he would bless them.
But never said he would make them greater and mightier and more powerful than his own people Israel.
Thank you and have a great weekend.

 

[sooda]

That's because there were some of the Pharisees and Sanhedrin who believed in Jesus Christ.
These being the true seed children of Abraham.

Not all people of Israel live in Israel.
There are many of Israel that live in other countries..
God did by promise to father Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms.
Now why do you suppose the United States is such a great and powerful nation?
Could it be.becsuse God promise father Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms.
It's not because the United States bless Israel.. but because the United States is those 10 tribes of Israel.
Therefore God kept his promises to father Abraham and raised up the United States to become a great nation and powerful nation on earth.
You know many of Christianity will say.
Those who bless Israel God shall bless them.
That's right..but God never said he would make those greater than his own people Israel. Only that God would bless them..

That's like. For say that you have children..
Would you take a complete stranger just because they bless your children and set them higher than your own children.

My guess is that you would not.
So my question is to those of Christianity. You really believe that God would actually take another nation and exalt that Nation higher and mightier than his own people Israel.
Is there something wrong with that picture.

God said he would bless them.
But never said he would make them greater and mightier and more powerful than his own people Israel.
Thank you and have a great weekend.

You think the ten tribes of Israel made America great? Really?

Israel has been on the dole since 1948.

 

[cataway]

There are two types of Jews in Israel,
There are those Jews in Israel who believe in Jesus Christ.
And these are Jews in Israel who do not believe in Jesus Christ, these are those Jews of Israel and Pharisees and Sanhedrin that Jesus Christ was speaking to.
denouncing them as being the children of Abraham.

You likely don't know it but you are missing some thing

 

[Faithofchristian]

You likely don't know it but you are missing some thing

Well speak up. So what am I missing

 

[Faithofchristian]

You think the ten tribes of Israel made America great? Really?

Israel has been on the dole since 1948.

Look there is only 2 tribes left in Israel.
The tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.

The other 10 tribes broke off from Israel and went over the Caucasus mountains to settle in the European lands and then went from there over the Atlantic ocean and settled in what is now called the United States.. At one time Britain was the most powerful nation on earth.
Why else would the United States and Britain be great nation. That God promise Abraham that great Nations would come from him.

You really don't believe that God would rise up a country greater than his own people Israel..
God did tell Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms...
And yes God did say that he would bless those who bless his children.
God said he would bless.
God did not say he would rise up those greater than his own people Israel.
Only bless them.

 

[Muffled]

In the Gospel of Matthew the final recorded sermon spoken by Jesus one verse reads;

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Matthew 24:29

Assuming Jesus actually spoke these words, what did He mean and why?

I believe a meteor shower would qualify. It is something easily viewed in the night sky.

 

[Muffled]

My understanding would be to look at it as a metaphor. Firstly I would connect the spiritual revelation of Jesus the Christ to a material meaning, to see if we can then understand what it may be saying. Then once we do that we may grasp it in the spiritual sense.

So we could see Jesus Christ as the Sun. We could see the moon of that Sun as the Word of God that continues to shine after the Sun of Christ set and then the stars would be those that became the teacher (ministers, priests etc) of that Word to guide the people through the Night.

So when the sun is darkened, it would indicate we are no longer seeing the Sun of Christ, and
when the moon is not giving the light, it would indicate that the Word is no longer giving the meaning intended, and finally
when the stars fall from Heaven, it also means that they no longer teach what the Word intended, they have fallen from the heaven of Christs Word and become worldly bound.

In that way we can see this event happens before the dawn of every new Day at the start of a new cycle of light and life.

Regards Tony

i believe signs can't be metaphors.

I believe that is fantasy.

I believe you can't get a valid conclusion out of a fantasy.

 

[Muffled]

Probably meant he thought the stars would fall.

People didnt have a clue about astronomy in those days.

"Falling stars" were, after all, thought to be stars, for the
longest time.

The vice of overthinking things is common in religions.

i believe God knows everything about heavenly bodies but the language of the day might cause a limitation.

 

[Audie]

i believe God knows everything about heavenly bodies but the language of the day might cause a limitation.

But then, the book was written by ordinary people who
did not know what they were talking about.

 

[Audie]

i believe signs can't be metaphors.

I believe that is fantasy.

I believe you can't get a valid conclusion out of a fantasy.

That is why Christians get so mixed up when they try to
figure how "genesis" fits with data, which of course it
does not and never will.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I believe a meteor shower would qualify. It is something easily viewed in the night sky.

If you understood what the Bible considers stars to represents..
The Stars that fall from heaven..are not actually stars that we see in the sky at night..
So what would the stars that fall from heaven represents?

 

[cataway]

Sure. This thread is about the meaning of Matthew 24:29 though. Have you considered there may be a connection between the ‘fallen’ moral standards of these times and the fallen stars?

the literal stars stand fixed in the heavens and can give guidance . when viewed symbolically or to say they represent either persons or agency's that have given guidance in the past. but then have then failed to give necessary guidance in hard times.

 

[Faithofchristian]

the literal stars stand fixed in the heavens and can give guidance . when viewed symbolically or to say they represent either persons or agency's that have given guidance in the past. but then have then failed to give necessary guidance in hard times.

Those stars that Jesus Christ spoken of that will fall from heaven..are not actual stars that we in the sky at night...

Those Stars represents the angles of Satan and Satan himself when Satan and his angels are finally cast out of heaven and fall to the earth..
Revelation 12:7-9.
This all happens when the 6th seal is open in Revelation 6:12-13..

 

[cataway]

Those stars that Jesus Christ spoken of that will fall from heaven..are not actual stars that we in the sky at night...

Those Stars represents the angles of Satan and Satan himself when Satan and his angels are finally cast out of heaven and fall to the earth..
Revelation 12:7-9.
This all happens when the 6th seal is open in Revelation 6:12-13..

no they did not fall they were thrown out . the stars in Matthew 24 fell because they failed to hold on to their positions .

 

[CG Didymus]

And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Revelation 21:23

In this verse who is the "sun" and who is the "moon"? I imagine you believe the "glory of God" is Baha'u'llah but in this verse who do you say is the Lamb?

 

[Dawnofhope]

In this verse who is the "sun" and who is the "moon"? I imagine you believe the "glory of God" is Baha'u'llah but in this verse who do you say is the Lamb?

The language is symbolic of course and not to be taken literally. The lamb is a Messianic reference to the Christ or Messiah. That doesn’t have to be specific to Jesus but can refer to other Manifestations of God or Christs or Messiahs. The Glory of God refers to the Father as opposed to the Son. In Christian theology there is a strong identification with the Divinity of Christ where the Father and Son are one (John 10:30). In Baha’i theology Bahá’u’lláh is literally translated as the Glory of God and one of His designations is the Father.

The Sun and moon can symbolise many aspects of Faith. That can include God Himself as distinct from His Messenger or Manifestation. In Islam they represent fasting and prayer. In saying the City has no need of the sun and moon is simply emphasising the spiritual over the physical.

That’s how I see it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In this verse who is the "sun" and who is the "moon"? I imagine you believe the "glory of God" is Baha'u'llah but in this verse who do you say is the Lamb?

I also see it can be saying this is the Bab and Baha'u'llah. The lamb in this case being the Bab, as His Revelation was the perpetration for Baha'u'llah and just as Christ was Crucified 2000 years ago, the Bab also gave His life so that Humanity may find the Glory of God.

Regards Tony

 

[Rise]

In the Gospel of Matthew the final recorded sermon spoken by Jesus one verse reads;

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Matthew 24:29

Assuming Jesus actually spoke these words, what did He mean and why?

It could have a very literal meaning. I've heard it suggested that the Greek word for "star" can refer to different types of heavenly bodies, not just what we today regard as a star. There are some modern prophets who say they have been given visions of the end times that involves asteroids hitting all over the earth at once. One of them assumed they were nuclear missiles at first, but when asking God about it He informed him that they were either asteroids or meteors (I forget what exact term was used).

I personally would probably not have assumed that was what the verse was saying by reading it myself, but what visions they have do make me go back to the Scripture and realize that such a vision could indeed be supported by the text.

I'm not personally sure on the idea that what that person saw was genuine prophecy, but it does seem to be a possibility.