The stronger we are, the weaker we are!

[InvestigateTruth]

The Stronger we humans are, the weaker we are in reality.
How do you interpret the above? Sounds like an oxymoron!?

We were in mother's womb, to grow eyes, ears, hands, legs and so forth, so that we have the organs that we need to live when we are born into this world.
I believe we are in this world now, because our Spirit needs grow, so, when we live in the next world, we have the spiritual organs we need (a !Bahai Belief)

Just as our physical body have organs, so does our Spirit (this is an analogy, not a literal fact). Imagine your Spirit have different Spiritual Organs!

The organs of our Spirit are "Kindness, Justness, fairness truthfulness, forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, steadfastness and so forth.


This world is like a womb. In this world the Organs of our Spirit must grow, because those are the Organs it needs to live in the Spiritual world.


When in this world we show kindness. It is our spirit that is kind, not the physical body. It is because the Spirit has an organ, called kindness. When the Organ of Kindness is strong and Healthy, the Spirit makes us do kind acts. If the organ is weak, it cannot make us show kindness.

The physical body only cares about eating, sex, material wealth and power. It is selfish and cruel.

When we show truthfulness, fairness and justice, and other Spiritual qualities, that is due to health and power of our Spirit.

If our Spirit, has weak organs, it cannot show kindness, fairness, truthfulness. Then the Physical body takes control, and does selfish things. It steals, kills, lies, acts cruel to others to satisfy its own selfish desires.

Thus When we are dominating, cruel, Savage, we appear to be strong and Powerful. This power, is due to weakness of Spirit. The body took all the control, and acts selfish and cruel.
But then this physical body dies eventually, and we are left with a Spirit that has weak and ill organs! And so will be our status in the Spiritual world (called hell)

Does this make sense to you?

 

[JustGeorge]

No. I don't equate being cruel, savage, and dominating to being strong.

I consider it cowardly.

 

[danieldemol]

The Stronger we humans are, the weaker we are in reality.
How do you interpret the above? Sounds like an oxymoron!?

We were in mother's womb, to grow eyes, ears, hands, legs and so forth, so that we have the organs that we need to live when we are born into this world.
I believe we are in this world now, because our Spirit needs grow, so, when we live in the next world, we have the spiritual organs we need (a !Bahai Belief)

Just as our physical body have organs, so does our Spirit (this is an analogy, not a literal fact). Imagine your Spirit have different Spiritual Organs!

The organs of our Spirit are "Kindness, Justness, fairness truthfulness, forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, steadfastness and so forth.


This world is like a womb. In this world the Organs of our Spirit must grow, because those are the Organs it needs to live in the Spiritual world.


When in this world we show kindness. It is our spirit that is kind, not the physical body. It is because the Spirit has an organ, called kindness. When the Organ of Kindness is strong and Healthy, the Spirit makes us do kind acts. If the organ is weak, it cannot make us show kindness.

The physical body only cares about eating, sex, material wealth and power. It is selfish and cruel.

When we show truthfulness, fairness and justice, and other Spiritual qualities, that is due to health and power of our Spirit.

If our Spirit, has weak organs, it cannot show kindness, fairness, truthfulness. Then the Physical body takes control, and does selfish things. It steals, kills, lies, acts cruel to others to satisfy its own selfish desires.

Thus When we are dominating, cruel, Savage, we appear to be strong and Powerful. This power, is due to weakness of Spirit. The body took all the control, and acts selfish and cruel.
But then this physical body dies eventually, and we are left with a Spirit that has weak and ill organs! And so will be our status in the Spiritual world (called hell)

Does this make sense to you?

No.

How do you know that truthfulness, fairness and justice, and other so called "Spiritual" qualities are not just the qualities of evolved primates since they appear in other non-human primates you dont ascribe a soul to as I understand it?

Correct answer: you don't know you are simply speculating in my view.

 

[danieldemol]

@InvestigateTruth
And also no because you appear to assume that a strong person has no or less so called "spiritual" qualities.

I have known people who are spectacularly strong who were strong on these qualities as well.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The Stronger we humans are, the weaker we are in reality.
How do you interpret the above? Sounds like an oxymoron!?

Since you asked, no. It sounds like a shallow attempt to appear deep.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

No.

How do you know that truthfulness, fairness and justice, and other so called "Spiritual" qualities are not just the qualities of evolved primates since they appear in other non-human primates you dont ascribe a soul to as I understand it?

Correct answer: you don't know you are simply speculating in my view.

Because God has created everything to manifest some of His own Names and Attributes, according to its capacity.

"....all things, in their inmost reality, testify to the revelation of the names and attributes of God within them. Each according to its capacity, indicateth, and is expressive of, the knowledge of God. So potent and universal is this revelation, that it hath encompassed all things, visible and invisible." Baha'u'llah

Among all created things only human has the potential to manifest all attributes of God.

So, to a lesser extent, and in lower quality we see these good attributes in animals. This is their capacity. When they die, their Spirit is not compete to endure living after physical death, so is the case for some humans, as they are called "Dead" in holy Books. Meaning their Spirit is dead, eventhough their physical body is alive and strong.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@InvestigateTruth
And also no because you appear to assume that a strong person has no or less so called "spiritual" qualities.

I have known people who are spectacularly strong who were strong on these qualities as well.

Can you give more details about what you ate describing here?

 

[danieldemol]

Can you give more details about what you ate describing here?

Simple, people who are physically strong eg weightlifters (body builders) who are also kind, patient, truthful etc, then there are bricklayers and others who also possess these qualities.

 

[F1fan]

The Stronger we humans are, the weaker we are in reality.
How do you interpret the above? Sounds like an oxymoron!?

The illusion of strength is a weakness.

We were in mother's womb, to grow eyes, ears, hands, legs and so forth, so that we have the organs that we need to live when we are born into this world.
I believe we are in this world now, because our Spirit needs grow, so, when we live in the next world, we have the spiritual organs we need (a !Bahai Belief)

Why believe any of this? Do you think you have an advantage in this life by believing in these unverifiable ideas?

I suggest these sorts of beliefs are an illusion of strength.

Just as our physical body have organs, so does our Spirit (this is an analogy, not a literal fact). Imagine your Spirit have different Spiritual Organs!

What is spirit, and defined in a way that is actually true and useful? Just a metaphor?

The organs of our Spirit are "Kindness, Justness, fairness truthfulness, forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, steadfastness and so forth.

.....

Does this make sense to you?

Most all of this is just affirmations that prop up an ego. It's a lot of work to maintain these illusions.

 

[danieldemol]

Among all created things only human has the potential to manifest all attributes of God.

So what is an attribute of God which you think humans possess but other animals don't?

 

[Audie]

The Stronger we humans are, the weaker we are in reality.
How do you interpret the above? Sounds like an oxymoron!?

We were in mother's womb, to grow eyes, ears, hands, legs and so forth, so that we have the organs that we need to live when we are born into this world.
I believe we are in this world now, because our Spirit needs grow, so, when we live in the next world, we have the spiritual organs we need (a !Bahai Belief)

Just as our physical body have organs, so does our Spirit (this is an analogy, not a literal fact). Imagine your Spirit have different Spiritual Organs!

The organs of our Spirit are "Kindness, Justness, fairness truthfulness, forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, steadfastness and so forth.


This world is like a womb. In this world the Organs of our Spirit must grow, because those are the Organs it needs to live in the Spiritual world.


When in this world we show kindness. It is our spirit that is kind, not the physical body. It is because the Spirit has an organ, called kindness. When the Organ of Kindness is strong and Healthy, the Spirit makes us do kind acts. If the organ is weak, it cannot make us show kindness.

The physical body only cares about eating, sex, material wealth and power. It is selfish and cruel.

When we show truthfulness, fairness and justice, and other Spiritual qualities, that is due to health and power of our Spirit.

If our Spirit, has weak organs, it cannot show kindness, fairness, truthfulness. Then the Physical body takes control, and does selfish things. It steals, kills, lies, acts cruel to others to satisfy its own selfish desires.

Thus When we are dominating, cruel, Savage, we appear to be strong and Powerful. This power, is due to weakness of Spirit. The body took all the control, and acts selfish and cruel.
But then this physical body dies eventually, and we are left with a Spirit that has weak and ill organs! And so will be our status in the Spiritual world (called hell)

Does this make sense to you?

Nope

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Simple, people who are physically strong eg weightlifters (body builders) who are also kind, patient, truthful etc, then there are bricklayers and others who also possess these qualities.

Hmm, that tells me, my OP was not clear to you.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So what is an attribute of God which you think humans possess but other animals don't?

Ants. Ants show patience or endurance. One of the names of God is Patience.
God is forgiving. Ants do not possess this attribute as an example.

 

[danieldemol]

Ants. Ants show patience or endurance. One of the names of God is Patience.
God is forgiving. Ants do not possess this attribute as an example.

My dog is forgiving, what else you got?

 

[JustGeorge]

Ants. Ants show patience or endurance. One of the names of God is Patience.
God is forgiving. Ants do not possess this attribute as an example.

Can you be certain ants are not forgiving?

 

[danieldemol]

Hmm, that tells me, my OP was not clear to you.

I disagree, in my view your OP was clear.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. I don't equate being cruel, savage, and dominating to being strong.

I consider it cowardly.

One look at how nature works out there in the wild...

 

[JustGeorge]

One look at how nature works out there in the wild...

I suppose if one's out in nature, it works.

But most of us behave, and are expected to behave differently in our living rooms.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Can you be certain ants are not forgiving?

Yes, it is meaningless to them. Forgiveness is, when someone do wrong to someone else, and the other person forgives. Ants simply don't show this in their acts.
Lions sometimes show merci.
All things show love. Even matters. For example atoms attract each other sometimes. This is manifestation of a Name of God. Which is love. But matters don't manifest Forgiveness or patience or generosity. But for example iron Show endurance, which is like steadfastness.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I disagree, in my view your OP was clear.

I didn't say in OP, if someone exercises and have a strong body, he is weak.
I am talking about worldly power. For example, one may become a boss, and enjoys dominating his workers. Treating then unfairly, and threatening them to fire them, if they say or do anything. This is a type of power I am talking about. Or a tyranny who treats people unfairly, because they possess money and weapons, so, They can do whatever they want with others. This is a type of worldly power. Likewise, trying to possess more and more wealth, because it gives a sense of superiority towards the poor, or even average people. These are some examples of worldly power. The strong is weak, was my allusion for this type of strength or power. I am not talking about Weightlifting. I hope I am little more clear.