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The Subjective and the Objective

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Isn't it ironic that in a whole being the subjective eventually has to recognize the objective and the objective eventually has to look at the subjective?

That the observer is obviously both, or tat tvam asi? That the subject and object are the same
 
I don't know what the objective world is apart from me, I know that there is a content of my consciousness that I share with others.
for example, I know that others perceive constants that also exist for them; for example the laws of gravitation exist for everyone and it is quite undeniable when an apple falls but I have no proof that it is a law that exists independently of all subjects.

conclusion what is commonly called the objective world is in fact an inter-subjective interaction network.
 

Notthedarkweb

Indian phil, German idealism, Rawls
Isn't it ironic that in a whole being the subjective eventually has to recognize the objective and the objective eventually has to look at the subjective?

That the observer is obviously both, or tat tvam asi? That the subject and object are the same

Don't think this is obviously true. As Gangesa points out in opposition to the Advaitin and Prabhakara positions, when we perceive the world, we don't do it in propositional attitudes of "I am aware of this chair", but in the bare propositional form "this chair exists", and that self-reflexive cognition would be 1.) superfluous and 2.) would be of the form x.f(x&f(x...)) which would not only be infinitely recursive, but also require the cognition to posit as its content itself without the relation of the sense-organ to it, meaning that it would require the cognition to step out of itself to cognize itself as a mental content, which is epistemically impossible.

The upshot, I feel, is a pretty strong argument against the very possibility of the Advaitin position of pure being positing conventional objects with itself as ground and then comprehending itself as conventional objects in the same cognitive act.
 
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