The Symbolic Meaning of Jonah and the Whale

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

Thanks in advance, RabbiO, thanks for your energy.
I too, seek the knowledge of the understanding of the Story, Jonah and The Whale. Sometimes the logic is helpful to me in understanding, and some call it ratonale, ect, just to me a tool in understanding beyond normal finite understanding to me,

Thanks also in helping all.

Thanks again for the update, and can do, thanks again.

Thanks in advance,
Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Yokefellow]

...I think you may be trying too hard to write in an elevated language mode.

I never knew there was such a thing... lol.

The purpose of elevated language is to use very formal and dignified language to give an air of particular importance to a given subject or character.

That does sound like the way I write.

Unless you tell you that the way you write is the way you speak, might I suggest that you try writing in a more conversational tone?

Most folks on this forum are anti-Christian, anti-Conservative, etc. And so, unfortunately, the conversation ended before it even began.

 

[River Sea]

Peace to all,

Thanks in advance, RabbiO, thanks for your energy.
I too, seek the knowledge of the understanding of the Story, Jonah and The Whale. Sometimes the logic is helpful to me in understanding, and some call it ratonale, ect, just to me a tool in understanding beyond normal finite understanding to me,

Thanks also in helping all.

Thanks again for the update, and can do, thanks again.

Thanks in advance,
Peace always,
Stephen

@Andrew Stephen please don't leave this thread.

@Andrew Stephen
Please continue and be you and use any language you want to, and please don't leave this thread. Please stay please.

I also don't know about Jonah due to the book Common Prophets by author @Bharat Jhunjhunwala who didn't write about Jonah and the archeology of Jonah with referencing of Exodus.

@GoodAttention
What are your thoughts about Sukkah, and would Sukkah ever be about trades, any seashells with Sukkah? Did Jonah ever trade with seashells?

I'm going to compare. Actually, this is how I learn. I love comparing and seeing if I can articulate references to many view areas. Placing both sides or many sides is so easy to see.

I am behind in this thread, as yes, I need to go through the thread and read. However, so far this is where I'm at. This word, Sukkah, and what is that?

Leviathan? Wilderness? A food source? Israelites dwelling in a Sukkah?

@Andrew Stephen Please meet @Bharat Jhunjhunwala if you want more info, as @Bharat Jhunjhunwala knows more than me as I read @Bharat Jhunjhunwala book and then I saw if I could reference @Bharat Jhunjhunwala book.

The first area and I often wrote was about farming, and yet later @Ehav4Ever showed shepherds.

I found myself glued to any evidence of farming. Maybe it's the seeking to find after I wonder about?

Actually, I was also wondering about fighting, because later I learned that the Yadavas (Hebrews) were fighters. However, what was more focused on was farming, or was it shepherds?

So through my fixation on finding anywhere about farming, I then learned about Sukkah. Here's @Bharat Jhunjhunwala explaining this, and I screenshot it. You see both @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and @Ehav4Ever were making videos about this: Farmers or Shepherds, and now @Yokefellow has shown Jonah in this thread about Sukkah. Click to expand to read below photo

oh recently I learn of this festival Sukkot, I found vid orthodoxic Jews doing that festival even made a booth.

there's 4 type of plants fruit, it happens in the fall
What is festival of Sukkot? ok sukkot,
etrog ( אתרוג‎) – the fruit of a citron tree.
lulav ( לולב‎) – a ripe, green, closed frond from a date palm tree.
hadass ( הדס‎) – boughs with leaves from the myrtle tree.
aravah ( ערבה‎) – branches with leaves from the willow tree.

I'll place it here the list
there's 4 type of plants fruit, it happens in the fall

What is festival of Sukkot? ok sukkot,

etrog ( אתרוג‎) – the fruit of a citron tree.

lulav ( לולב‎) – a ripe, green, closed frond from a date palm tree.

hadass ( הדס‎) – boughs with leaves from the myrtle tree.

aravah ( ערבה‎) – branches with leaves from the willow tree.

@Andrew Stephen wait, I have spelling as Sukkot and not Sukkah - is this the same word?
Sukkot - Sukkah

Yes same word.

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Yes, Sukkot is the plural of Sukkah:

• Sukkot: The plural of the word sukkah, which means "booths" or "huts" in Hebrew

Oh, that's interesting Sukkot is the plural word of Sukkah

@Andrew Stephen please don't leave because I can learn from you too

My favorite thing I love doing is asking questions and then placing more then one views when referencing

In this case: Exodus when harvesting gathering, yet there was a drought, so this harvesting gathering before leaving must have had some storage area.

Then later in this thread, @Yokefellow shows Jonah.

Now I also recall from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala that often in ancient India there's stories of fish.

Example: 1) Adam or Swayambhu Manu. 2) Noah or Vaivaswat Manu.

Actually, I wonder how similar Jonah is to Vaivaswat Manu. I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala about this.)?

@Andrew Stephen Please don't leave this thread. Please stay and you, @Andrew Stephen are welcomed in this thread.

 

[River Sea]

@GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Aupmanyav @paarsurrey

From AI

Jonah and Vaivasvata Manu share some interesting similarities in their stories, despite coming from different cultural backgrounds:

1. Divine Warning: Both Jonah and Vaivasvata Manu received divine warnings about an impending disaster. In Jonah's case, it was God warning him about the destruction of Nineveh, while Vaivasvata Manu was warned by the Matsya avatar of Vishnu about a great flood1.
2. Building a Vessel: Both figures built a vessel to save themselves and others from the disaster. Jonah built a ship to escape from Nineveh, and Vaivasvata Manu built a boat to save his family, the Saptarishi (seven sages), and various seeds and animals1.
3. Survival of Life: Both stories emphasize the preservation of life. Jonah's journey led to the survival of the people of Nineveh, while Vaivasvata Manu's boat ensured the continuation of human and animal life after the flood.
4. Divine Intervention: Both stories involve divine intervention to ensure the safety of the protagonists and their companions. In Jonah's case, God calmed the storm and provided a way for Jonah to fulfill his mission1. In Vaivasvata Manu's story, Vishnu appeared as a fish to guide the boat and ensure its safety.

These similarities highlight common themes of divine warnings, survival, and intervention in both stories, despite their different cultural origins. Do you find these parallels interesting?

 

[River Sea]

@GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Meluhha: Its People, their Language and Trade
The identification of Meluhha remains an open question, but most of the scholars associate it with the Indus Valley Civilisation. In the Sumerian language Malah means a sailor or captain. The word Malah is also found in Akkadian loans in Ezekiel (27: 9, 27, 29), a book of the Bible. Its citation elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible is Jonah 1:5. In Hebrew it was mlh, while in Akkadian it became malahu with Akkadian meaning seaman or sailor. (See: Noonan, Non-Semitic Loanwords in the Hebrew Bible.)

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☆Mesopotamian Legends Of Meluhha: Could This Be Ancient Sindh?
By Researcher Sheikh Javed Ali Sindhi
Meluhha is the Sumerian name of a land situated to the east of Mesopotamia or modern-day Iraq. It was the prominent partner of Sumer during Middle Bronze Age.
Meluhha: Its People, their Language and Trade
The identification of Meluhha remains an open question, but most of the scholars associate it with the Indus Valley Civilisation. In the Sumerian language Malah means a sailor or captain. The word Malah is also found in Akkadian loans in Ezekiel (27: 9, 27, 29), a book of the Bible. Its citation elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible is Jonah 1:5. In Hebrew it was mlh, while in Akkadian it became malahu with Akkadian meaning seaman or sailor. (See: Noonan, Non-Semitic Loanwords in the Hebrew Bible.)

to long for me to add it all so go there to read more.

https://thefridaytimes.com/.../mesopotamian-legends-of....
#BharatKiKahani

 

[Aupmanyav]

From AI
Jonah and Vaivasvata Manu share some interesting similarities in their stories, despite coming from different cultural backgrounds:

Don't know the Jonah person.
Similarities between Jesus and Aupmanyav (Chat-GPT)

Jesus and Aupmanyav (a figure from Hindu mythology, often associated with the concept of divine wisdom and knowledge) share several similarities, particularly in their roles as spiritual leaders and their teachings. Here are some key points of comparison:

1. Divine Birth and Nature: Both figures are often described as having a divine or miraculous birth. Jesus is believed to be born of the Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit, while Aupmanyav is sometimes associated with divine origins in Hindu texts.
2. Teachings of Love and Compassion: Jesus preached love, compassion, and forgiveness, emphasizing the importance of loving one’s neighbor. Similarly, Aupmanyav is associated with wisdom and the importance of understanding and compassion in human relationships.
3. Miracles and Wonders: Both figures are attributed with performing miracles. Jesus performed various miracles, such as healing the sick and raising the dead. Aupmanyav is also associated with miraculous feats, often demonstrating his wisdom and divine knowledge.
4. Role as a Teacher: Jesus is known as a teacher and a prophet, sharing parables and lessons about morality and spirituality. Aupmanyav, too, is seen as a teacher of wisdom, imparting knowledge and guiding others on the path of righteousness.
5. Sacrifice and Redemption: Jesus’ crucifixion is viewed as a sacrifice for the redemption of humanity. While Aupmanyav’s narratives may not focus on sacrifice in the same way, he embodies the idea of selflessness and the pursuit of truth, which can lead to the betterment of society.
6. Influence on Followers: Both figures have had a profound impact on their respective cultures and religions, inspiring countless followers and shaping spiritual beliefs and practices.

While the contexts and specific teachings of Jesus and Aupmanyav differ significantly due to their distinct religious backgrounds, these similarities highlight common themes of spirituality, morality, and the pursuit of a higher understanding of life.

Aupmanyav's note: Oh, NO. I did not have a divine birth. I was first born, I gave a lot of trouble to my mother. I will also not describe whatever little knowledge I have as divine, quite mundane.

 

[River Sea]

Don't know the Jonah person.
Similarities between Jesus and Aupmanyav (Chat-GPT)

Jesus and Aupmanyav (a figure from Hindu mythology, often associated with the concept of divine wisdom and knowledge) share several similarities, particularly in their roles as spiritual leaders and their teachings. Here are some key points of comparison:

1. Divine Birth and Nature: Both figures are often described as having a divine or miraculous birth. Jesus is believed to be born of the Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit, while Aupmanyav is sometimes associated with divine origins in Hindu texts.
2. Teachings of Love and Compassion: Jesus preached love, compassion, and forgiveness, emphasizing the importance of loving one’s neighbor. Similarly, Aupmanyav is associated with wisdom and the importance of understanding and compassion in human relationships.
3. Miracles and Wonders: Both figures are attributed with performing miracles. Jesus performed various miracles, such as healing the sick and raising the dead. Aupmanyav is also associated with miraculous feats, often demonstrating his wisdom and divine knowledge.
4. Role as a Teacher: Jesus is known as a teacher and a prophet, sharing parables and lessons about morality and spirituality. Aupmanyav, too, is seen as a teacher of wisdom, imparting knowledge and guiding others on the path of righteousness.
5. Sacrifice and Redemption: Jesus’ crucifixion is viewed as a sacrifice for the redemption of humanity. While Aupmanyav’s narratives may not focus on sacrifice in the same way, he embodies the idea of selflessness and the pursuit of truth, which can lead to the betterment of society.
6. Influence on Followers: Both figures have had a profound impact on their respective cultures and religions, inspiring countless followers and shaping spiritual beliefs and practices.

While the contexts and specific teachings of Jesus and Aupmanyav differ significantly due to their distinct religious backgrounds, these similarities highlight common themes of spirituality, morality, and the pursuit of a higher understanding of life.

Aupmanyav's note: Oh, NO. I did not have a divine birth. I was first born, I gave a lot of trouble to my mother. I will also not describe whatever little knowledge I have as divine, quite mundane.

@Aupmanyav

I think you have in common with Jesus due to both human males getting the human females pregnant. So both of the mothers were not virgins

Jesus was born not from a virgin Mary, because Mary became pregnant by a human male being named Joseph. Do you think so too, @paarsurrey this is how Muslims think, am I correct? Or do Muslims think similar to Christianity and think Mary was a virgin?

So in a way, you, @Aupmanyav, and Jesus have this in common: both the moms were not virgins during the human males getting the females pregnant.

I'm not sure why Christians have Mary as a virgin. Also how come Jesus wasn't born as a girl if Mary was a virgin because (this area is science thinking) help me out scientist in this thread please.

I think if electricity does to the female egg, it will cause a female baby due to lacking Y; however, I think also the female baby will be lacking one of the X, so actually this female baby only has one X, so Jesus would be a girl with Turner syndrome if Mary was a virgin and a spirit electricity Mary's egg.

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A female with only one X chromosome has a condition called Turner syndrome

My continue writing, so how come Jesus wasn't born as a female with turner syndrome if lacking X while also lacking Y and only has one X

If spirit zapping female human egg would that cause female baby with Turner syndrome?

 

[Aupmanyav]

@Aupmanyav

I think you have in common with Jesus due to both human males getting the human females pregnant. So both of the mothers were not virgins

Jesus was born not from a virgin Mary, because Mary became pregnant by a human male being named Joseph. Do you think so too, @paarsurrey this is how Muslims think, am I correct? Or do Muslims think similar to Christianity and think Mary was a virgin?

So in a way, you, @Aupmanyav, and Jesus have this in common: both the moms were not virgins during the human males getting the females pregnant.

I'm not sure why Christians have Mary as a virgin. Also how come Jesus wasn't born as a girl if Mary was a virgin because (this area is science thinking) help me out scientist in this thread please.

I think if electricity does to the female egg, it will cause a female baby due to lacking Y; however, I think also the female baby will be lacking one of the X, so actually this female baby only has one X, so Jesus would be a girl with Turner syndrome if Mary was a virgin and a spirit electricity Mary's egg.

A female with only one X chromosome has a condition called Turner syndrome
My continue writing, so how come Jesus wasn't born as a female with turner syndrome if lacking X while also lacking Y and only has one X

I have (a daughter and a son), but Jesus is not reported to have done that. Or do you think that with the various Magdalenes, he did that? Or did he divorce his wife before starting his ministry? Something like Narendra Modi abandoning Yashoda Ben, his wife; but she did not accept divorce.

I refrain from digging into the circumstances of Mary's conception, though it is strange and unnatural.
If Jesus was parthenogenetic, then he was Mary's brother and not the son. In that way he was not 'son of God'.
If electricity was able to impregnate women, world population would have been much larger. We have been using electricity in homes since 1878 (Thomas Edison, first to install and electric generator in his home).

If Mary was suffering from Turner Syndrome, then she could not have given birth to children. But Mary had other children.
Well, we do not have access to Mary's or Jesus' DNA, so the situation remains unexplained.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

To me the DNA follows the intelligence in creation, from created random chioce in the freedom to choose becoming fulfilled creation in order.

"In the story of Jonah and the whale, the "logic" is that Jonah, a prophet who disobeyed God's command to go to Nineveh and preach to its people, was swallowed by a large fish as a consequence for his disobedience, forcing him to confront his actions and repent, ultimately leading to God's forgiveness and the sparing of Nineveh when Jonah finally delivered the message; the whale serves as a symbolic representation of God's power and Jonah's forced reflection on his actions within a confined space, highlighting the theme that one cannot escape God's will." From search Labs, AI Overview

To me, rationale and logic can help in understanding conception from the Mind. Defiled DNA has choice, internal temptations to be able to choose love of not. Jesus temptation on Earth was from an external tempter in the desert, on earth. To me in the greatest story ever told and in the valididity of the story that never changes proving the truth, Jesus overcame temptations from the Power of the Spirit Person conceived for His Soul as the intelligence of fulfilled creation in His DNA, void of internal temptations. Intrinsic as one in being together, the Mind of God in the flesh of the "Firstborn" Sacrificial and Spotless Lamb of God of Creation, becoming again in all mankind. The Mind of God creates the Christ, from preexisting souls of the Person of the Holy Spirit and God conceived it the Person of Jesus and God from before creation was ever created was ever even created. Jesus is unable to fail through the Intrinsic Eternal Unfailing Power of infallibility contained in the logic and rationale manifesting from the power of the Holy Spirit through the flesh of The Christ, unfailing, just like His, and Our Mother in the universal blood, Mary, "Let it not be my will but Your Will be done" for all mankind. Undefiled DNA is the Will of the Father and the Intelligence of Creation and logic and rationale to love only and only with the most love and never fails forever in the Fulfilled faith and morality from infallibility through the Christ. Logically and rationally and through the Faith of Abraham, we become the Christ united and become again The Mind of God in the flesh of all mankind. "The Word becomes Flesh", to me are the four most powerful words in the New Testament. Mankinds soul is created at birth, conception from the spirit through the flesh for the soul by the blood and water born creation. The Virgin Birth is Born without blood and water because the souls of the Person of the Holy Spirit and the Person of Jesus existed before creation was ever created was even created. Blood and water creates the soul of mankind at birth from where the spirit through the flesh for the souls of all beings, created, firstly becomes and secondly, becomes again. Christ's Blood and Water birth is from Earth to the New Heaven and is from the cross where the blood and water did flow for all mankind. The "First born" of all creation opens the "Gates of Heaven" for all, New Birth for all in mankind, united from The Sacrificial New Living Sacrifice through the New Living Temple, The Body of Christ in all mankind, through death to resurrection life from the spirit through the flesh for the souls af all, from the Holy Spirit through the Flesh for the Souls for all mankind. And what is from the Immaculate Conception is through The Virgin Birth of The Christ, becoming transformed by The Christ, the firstborn of all creation becoming immortality and incorruptibility in all mankind and becoming again from the Person of The Holy Spirit, through the One Who conceives in all mankind and Glorifies and Transfigures. Glorification and Transfiguration is a time when God reveals His pleasure in all mankind becoming the Will of Creation conceived through the Power of The Holy Spirit Person and exalts mankind above all the powers in creation reimaged through the Son of Transformation and God for The Creator Father and God for the Love of the One Mother and Mother of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[GoodAttention]

@Andrew Stephen please don't leave this thread.

@Andrew Stephen
Please continue and be you and use any language you want to, and please don't leave this thread. Please stay please.

I also don't know about Jonah due to the book Common Prophets by author @Bharat Jhunjhunwala who didn't write about Jonah and the archeology of Jonah with referencing of Exodus.

@GoodAttention
What are your thoughts about Sukkah, and would Sukkah ever be about trades, any seashells with Sukkah? Did Jonah ever trade with seashells?

I'm going to compare. Actually, this is how I learn. I love comparing and seeing if I can articulate references to many view areas. Placing both sides or many sides is so easy to see.

I am behind in this thread, as yes, I need to go through the thread and read. However, so far this is where I'm at. This word, Sukkah, and what is that?



@Andrew Stephen Please meet @Bharat Jhunjhunwala if you want more info, as @Bharat Jhunjhunwala knows more than me as I read @Bharat Jhunjhunwala book and then I saw if I could reference @Bharat Jhunjhunwala book.

The first area and I often wrote was about farming, and yet later @Ehav4Ever showed shepherds.

I found myself glued to any evidence of farming. Maybe it's the seeking to find after I wonder about?

Actually, I was also wondering about fighting, because later I learned that the Yadavas (Hebrews) were fighters. However, what was more focused on was farming, or was it shepherds?

So through my fixation on finding anywhere about farming, I then learned about Sukkah. Here's @Bharat Jhunjhunwala explaining this, and I screenshot it. You see both @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and @Ehav4Ever were making videos about this: Farmers or Shepherds, and now @Yokefellow has shown Jonah in this thread about Sukkah. Click to expand to read below photo


I'll place it here the list
there's 4 type of plants fruit, it happens in the fall

What is festival of Sukkot? ok sukkot,

etrog ( אתרוג‎) – the fruit of a citron tree.

lulav ( לולב‎) – a ripe, green, closed frond from a date palm tree.

hadass ( הדס‎) – boughs with leaves from the myrtle tree.

aravah ( ערבה‎) – branches with leaves from the willow tree.

@Andrew Stephen wait, I have spelling as Sukkot and not Sukkah - is this the same word?
Sukkot - Sukkah

Yes same word.

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Yes, Sukkot is the plural of Sukkah:

• Sukkot: The plural of the word sukkah, which means "booths" or "huts" in Hebrew

Oh, that's interesting Sukkot is the plural word of Sukkah

@Andrew Stephen please don't leave because I can learn from you too

My favorite thing I love doing is asking questions and then placing more then one views when referencing

In this case: Exodus when harvesting gathering, yet there was a drought, so this harvesting gathering before leaving must have had some storage area.

Then later in this thread, @Yokefellow shows Jonah.

Now I also recall from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala that often in ancient India there's stories of fish.

Example: 1) Adam or Swayambhu Manu. 2) Noah or Vaivaswat Manu.

Actually, I wonder how similar Jonah is to Vaivaswat Manu. I'll ask @Bharat Jhunjhunwala about this.)?

@Andrew Stephen Please don't leave this thread. Please stay and you, @Andrew Stephen are welcomed in this thread.

Hi @River Sea sorry for the late reply.

Yes, sukkai has meaning in Tamil related to trade, which would include maritime trade.

I believe it refers to the freight being carried, or the money being carried as a result of trade.

சுக்கை​

cukkai n. šulka. Passage money, freight; கப்பற்சுங்கம். (J.)

Interestingly, myrtle and willow can be propagated from cuttings (boughs and branches), and date palm and citron could be germinated from seed.

Citrus in particular would have to have come from elsewhere, for example the south of India. Potentially the same with myrtle and willow.

 

[River Sea]

I have (a daughter and a son), but Jesus is not reported to have done that. Or do you think that with the various Magdalenes, he did that? Or did he divorce his wife before starting his ministry? Something like Narendra Modi abandoning Yashoda Ben, his wife; but she did not accept divorce.

@Aupmanyav
No I don't think Jesus was reported to have done that, by you having a daughter and son. What does reported mean, is it by telling or writing about? There's nothing written about you @Aupmanyav having children is there? Would you want it be written and having another bible and you be of the bible? Or maybe 3rd testament and you be in the 3rd testament. I understand people wrote the bible and also people could write another book and put you in it, would you like that?

I don't know if Jesus ever married anyone, also did Jesus have turner syndrome and was born physical female with only one X chromosome from Mary and no chromosome from spirit? Or was Jesus born physical male from X chromosome from Mary and Y chromosome from Joseph?

I looked up Mary Magdalene

Magdalene refers to a former institution for women who were considered "fallen" or "promiscuous". The term may also refer to Mary Magdalene, a disciple of Jesus

Questions I have about Mary Magdalene?

What prevented Mary Magdalene able to have a trade such as having her own boat to go fishing and then sale the fish she caught? Awesome that Mary Magdalene was a disciple of Jesus, what does disciple mean, learning from Jesus who research and was an archeologist? Jesus was an archeologist do you think so? @GoodAttention was Mary Magdalene able to trade using seashells ever? How all ways did Mary Magdalene made money?

What all did Jesus learn when Jesus went to India, did Mary Magdalene also travel to India with Jesus?
How did Jesus travel to India when he went there during the 33 years that was missing from in the new testament and how come this wasn't reported

I don't know if Jesus ever gotten a devoiced, I do know that John gotten his head chopped off but I don't know why

How come Jesus head wasn't chopped off, it'll be a lot easier to chop off a head vs waiting 3 long days standing there as Jesus drips blood so slowly, a dumb way to die

the romans some how made things difficult when killing people. how come?

 

[River Sea]

The Official organization in India is Archaeological Survey of India. The other reputed organization is Indian History Congress (Know Us – Indian History Congress), since 1935. Indian History Congress has a membership of more than 30,000. My grandpa chaired one of its sessions."

@Aupmanyav what did your grandpa think about Jesus, and did your grandpa think Jesus ever went to India to learn and did your grandpa ever wonder if Jesus was an archeologist?

If Jesus was parthenogenetic, then he was Mary's brother and not the son.

Yes, that could be a case, then Jesus would be a twin from cloning Mary by taking something from Mary and entering that in Mary's egg? Then it'll be taking the X chromosome from Mary's father and X chromosome from Mary's mother, and I wonder how that would cause the Y chromosome. It won't cause Y is missing as only XX causing XX, because Mary is XX physically. How did Jesus end up with Y chromosome?

Mary would have xx, so if clone Mary, it'll be xx twin. How would yx happen from cloning Mary and entering that in the egg?

How does Mary's father's Y chromosome contribute to Mary's XX chromosome?

I would think cloning a female physically body will produce a female physically body baby, because missing Y chromosome, so then Jesus would be Mary's sister twin.

 

[River Sea]

Yes, sukkai has meaning in Tamil related to trade, which would include maritime trade.

I believe it refers to the freight being carried, or the money being carried as a result of trade

@GoodAttention please listen to song video further down this post.

Tamil trade - Maritime trade - Tamil Heritage

“Find the Ocean Running Material” – Avvaiyar The ancient Tamils traded by sea to many countries of the world in […]

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(Pattinapalai 216-218)

A song in the Manimegala states that a merchant named Sadugan was on his way to Chavaka Nadu from Kaveripompattinam when his ship capsized near Nagarmalai and he grabbed a tree and took refuge on the island.

“Naliyiru Munnir Valikalan Vauva;

About Odimaram, to kick the cart,

Nakka Scout, Nagar Vazhmalai

The pagan is Panmayan Ainan; “

(Hour-16; (13-16))

The song mentions that many country sailors who could speak many languages stayed in the complaint.

“It simply came to our notice then

The ebony cover that came from the foot

North Mountain birth bell and gold

The radius and axilla of the umbilical cord

The sea kisses and the sea swells

The use of the Ganges and the Cauvery

Eelam Support and Kazakh Impact

Rare and large thin indie

Refuse to be enchanted by prosperity “

(Pattinapalai 185-193)

This song lists the items that came in the complaint.

Similarly, the port of Kollathurai in Nellore, now in Andhra Pradesh, on the banks of the Vadapennayar, the port of Eirpattinam in the Marakkanam area of Thondai Nadu, the port of Arikamedu in Pondicherry, and the two ports of Thondi in Chera Nadu and Pandya Nadu are special. References from Periplus and Ptolemy, as well as Sanskrit literature and archaeological evidence, confirm this.

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I see word Ptolemy. Ptolemy was a pharaoh.

How far am I off or is this about this Song

I'll figure out what this video is about. Please listen to song. Later I'll post what I learn what is this?

Song

This video is about in comment area
Rigveda 1.23.5 "I invoke Mitra and Varuṇa, who with true speech, are the encouragers of pious acts, and are lords of true lighṭ

I'll look more what this video is about

I do not know what this means by invoke mitra and varuna - I'll look this up later

what would lords of true light mean? I understand lord means owner of property lands

Now I'm looking up what am I listening to

#Pagan #Kipling #Mithras
here's explaining the song
‪@Crecganford‬ has a great video on Mithras: • Decoding the Cult of Mithras (What th...

The Cult of Mithras is a little understood religion, and one that has many incorrect attributes raised against it, especially with regards similarities to Christianity. Here we go into the symbology and iconography, to decrypt the story of Mithras, so as to understand Mithraism and its links with Persia, Sol and Sol Invictus, and Saturn, and to understand why tauroctony is such a central symbol (the slaying of a bull).

That's what the song is about

Chapters ----------------------------------- 0:00 Introduction 0:47 The Mystery of Mithras 3:18 How far did it spread? 4:45 Tauroctony, and why was it unusual 5:40 Explaining the Mithras slaying the Bull imagery 8:40 The ranks of Mithras and the Zodiac 11:25 The stories of Mithras, looking at the iconography 16:08 The feast of Mithras 19:08 The connections with Christianity and Jesus 22:55 So what was Mithraism, and why did it develop?

Any Jonah in this situation at all? In all this symbolism.

I'm still listening to the decoding video.

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Leader V Prabakaran’s Heros day speech 1989- 2008

Leader V Prabakaran’s Heros day speech 1989- 2008 - Tamil Heritage

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What is he saying? it's a hero day speech, what was this about?

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Songs praising the National Leader of Tamil Eelam, Leader V Prabakaran’s Heros day speech 1989- 2008,

However he's talking, so I don't hear any singing of yet

Does Leader V Prabakaran know about Jesus visits India and learns, what are V Prabakaran's thoughts about Jonah? I wonder if V Prabakaran ever talks about Jesus or Jonah?

@GoodAttention I'm learning and this what I found

VELUPILLAI PRABHAKARAN: THE TAMIL TIGER LEADER | Facts and Details

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VELUPILLAI PRABHAKARAN
Velupillai Prabhakaran (also spelled Prabhakaran), the leader of the Tamil Tigers, was known for his ruthlessness and fearlessness and was generally seen as Pol-Pot-like leader. The son a local government official, he was brought up near Jaffna. Operating out a secret jungle base in the north-east of Sri Lanka, he molded the Tamil Tigers into a highly-disciplined and highly- motivated guerrilla force.

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What are your thoughts about Tamil Tigers @GoodAttention

How did this affect India?

Was this Patriarchal or Matriarchal or both.

How would this be similar or different from Jesus and Jonah symbolism

 

[Andrew Stephen]

“If Jesus was parthenogenetic, then he was Mary's brother and not the son.” Aupmanyav

I’ve been searching for this for a long time thank you so much.

Peace to all,

Mary is the first disciple of Jesus and a sister in the flesh through the Immaculate Conception of her own self through the Christ. The first born of all creation allows Mary to become assumed into Heaven alive, glorified and transfigured.

This is true because Jesus turns brothers with different mothers of a father with two names who are cousins to all mankind from cousins to brothers. through one father with one name through one son by one mother of God, brothers and sisters of Jesus, all mankind becoming daughters and sons of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[River Sea]

There is overlap between Hagar/Ishmael and Sarah/Isaac.

• Sarah is symbolic of the Heavenly Mother / New Testament / Glorified Immortal Body / No Reincarnation Trap / Grace.
• Hagar is symbolic of the Earthly Mother / Old Testament / Corrupt Mortal Body / Reincarnation Trap / Law.

Christianity is the only one that explains the difference. Basically, every human being on the planet is under bondage through Hagar. She is symbolic of our corrupt DNA on our Mother's side. Satan is symbolic of our corrupt DNA on our Father's side.

@Yokefellow @GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

However, what about reputations?
Did this make it more difficult for the people born from Hagar, as how do people treat them compared to how do people treat those who were born from Sarah?

Where is the grace for Sarah if she couldn't give birth 'til she was 99 years old? What caused that to happen, as it caused Sarah to have a mental breakdown and give her husband to Hagar?

How did Sarah handle all this stress?

@Tamino
What does Hathor think about all of this?

So now the symbolism is we're all from Hagar our mother DNA and Satan our father DNA.

As Sarah is the new testament and Hagar is the old testament

What do Muslim Islam's think about this? What do you @paarsurrey think about this?

 

[River Sea]

Teachings of Love and Compassion: Jesus preached love, compassion, and forgiveness, emphasizing the importance of loving one’s neighbor. Similarly, Aupmanyav is associated with wisdom and the importance of understanding and compassion in human relationships.

Made up story - I had fun writing the bible too after seeing the similarities of Jesus and @Aupmanyav from AI - I really do think people wrote the bible. So here's my version of the bible of Jesus and @Aupmanyav - I did a lot of re-edits. This is made up story and response from what @Aupmanyav found from AI. I added a story to this.

@Aupmanyav Would have been a wonderful older brother to Jesus and travel with Jesus preaching, love, compassion, and wisdom as they travel India. However, as they traveled to India, they were far from the dangers of the Romans. Did they flee from the Romans for safety in India? Is that love and compassion? Because what about Mary and Joseph, their parents? Does this cause danger for them?

Aupmanyav's note: Oh, NO. I did not have a divine birth. I was first born, I gave a lot of trouble to my mother. I will also not describe whatever little knowledge I have as divine, quite mundane.

However, maybe also @Aupmanyav could have caused Mary a lot of trouble as Mary had been left behind when @Aupmanyav prevented Jesus from going to the cross and protected Jesus from being killed. However @Aupmanyav wasn't aware that Jesus was in danger, yet it was @Aupmanyav idea to travel to India and bring Jesus with as @Aupmanyav and Jesus preached love. However, what is love? With this made-up story, this type of love that wouldn't protect Mary due to Joseph being a wimp.

Joseph the wimp wouldn't have protected Mary, and it'll be Mary who'll be killed instead.

However, @Aupmanyav and Jesus wouldn't have known about their mother being killed because no one would have told @Aupmanyav and Jesus after they'd travel to India, far away from the Romans, and preached love in India.

Mary was crucified on the cross, and many later thought it was ok (I still think it's abuse) to crucify anyone. Do you think it's abuse too?

How come Joseph was a wimp and wouldn't protect Mary? Instead, Joseph let his wife be crucified, and Joseph watched and stood there and did nothing.

How come Mary was in danger of being crucified after @Aupmanyav and Jesus went to India? Yet while Jesus was in danger of being killed, he escaped unknowingly with his older brother, @Aupmanyav, not knowing that this had caused Mary to be in danger and be crucified instead of Jesus.

Was it associated with the mother to go after if couldn't find Mary's son Jesus? How come Joseph didn't protect Mary?

@Aupmanyav and Jesus never knew what happened to Mary because they never returned where the Romans were. Later, Joseph died, and he never reported that Mary was crucified on the cross.

This is made-up story.

No one really knew why the Romans were looking for Jesus to crucify. No one really knew why Mary took Jesus place on the cross, as Joseph did nothing about it. People were confused about this.

To travel to India was an idea that @Aupmanyav had and Jesus went with, as @Aupmanyav and Jesus were unaware that they fled the dangers from the Romans, yet no one knew why Mary had to die taking the place of Jesus. No one knew why. Also, @Aupmanyav didn't know he protected his younger brother Jesus when traveling to India.

 

[River Sea]

That was my attempt to write the bible. You can read it post above. I'll do another one - this is made up story.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala grabbed some straw, and he asked the Yadavas to help him find out if there's 50% of straw so he can begin to burn it to make burnt bake bricks. As @Bharat Jhunjhunwala walked over to the Yadavas to ask for help, Moses happened to notice this, and Moses walked over to @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and told him that soon get ready for in a day or so get ready to Exodus Indus Valley ancient India.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala was surprised that Moses explained this and wanted to know was it due to a drought that we needed to Exodus, and Moses said yes.

After @Bharat Jhunjhunwala heard this from Moses, he gave up about burning the straw to make more burnt bake bricks, because @Bharat Jhunjhunwala realized why bother making more burnt bake bricks if going to Exodus from Indus Valley ancient India, yet as @Bharat Jhunjhunwala was giving up to burn more straw, suddenly the Pharaoh demanded the Yadavas to gather straw, which caused @Bharat Jhunjhunwala to feel annoyed.

Why bother to gather straw if about to Exodus from Indus Valley ancient India? Why bother to burn straw to make burnt bake bricks? Why bother. We're about to exodus from Indus Valley; however, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala wasn't aware that the Pharaoh didn't know about this Exodus plan that Moses had. Because still Moses and the Pharaoh were negotiating this situation, what was needing to be done due to this drought? As the Pharaoh thought Moses was on the pharaoh's side to help the people through this drought and dealing with any of the plagues, such as poison snakes, no way was Pharaoh at all thinking the Yadavas were about to leave.

It was then @Bharat Jhunjhunwala was still feeling annoyed while also realizing how much the Pharaoh didn't know, yet surely if the Pharaoh had known, would have tried to destroy Moses plan. As @Bharat Jhunjhunwala was feeling annoyed, the burden of gathering straw, he knew Moses needed help for Exodus to happen. It's as if @Bharat Jhunjhunwala realized he needed to tell the Yadavas, "Don't bother to listen to the Pharaoh, just get ready for Exodus, get ready." Yet the Pharaoh was still demanding the Yadavas to gather more straw.

 

[Aupmanyav]

@River Sea said: "What does reported mean, is it by telling or writing about? There's nothing written about you @Aupmanyav having children is there?"

Aup.: It is written in the registers of Government of India and hospitals where my children were born. It is also written on the pages of Religious Forums. My earlier post to which you made an answer is a proof.

 

[Aupmanyav]

@Aupmanyav what did your grandpa think about Jesus, and did your grandpa think Jesus ever went to India to learn and did your grandpa ever wonder if Jesus was an archeologist?

I would think cloning a female physically body will produce a female physically body baby, because missing Y chromosome, so then Jesus would be Mary's sister twin.

My grandpa was least worried about Jesus. His interests were Indian history and Vedas.
You are right. In a case of 'parthenogenesis', Jesus would be a brother to Mary.

 

[stvdv]

What are your thoughts about a relationship with God?

For me a good relationship consists of:
1) Love in words =Speak truth, don't lie
2) Love in Action = Act virtuous, don't cheat
3) Love in Thought = Peaceful mind
4) Love in Feeling = Non Violence

So, we should never criticize the feelings nor faith of others. If all would do that, there would be Peace on Earth, as Love reigns. The true relationship with God has been established