The Teachings of God/Allah

[SeekerOnThePath]

One thing for certain.

Allah is a kick*** name compared to just bland names like God or Jehovah.

And sonorously too, because the Al and the La produces very primal sounds from the back of the throat, kind of like "Om" in the Dharmic religions, it's perfect for using as a mantra/dhikr (as is La ilaha illa'llah).

 

[Brian2]

I see Allah and God as being Arabic and English names for the same God. Of course some Christians will insist Christians and Muslims worship different Gods. Personally I see One God, and overwhelmingly similarities as to how that God is presented in the Torah, New Testament and Quran.

There is the same God in the Torah and New Testament.
The Quran and teachings of Baha'i are not teachings of God at all except on the surface.
The OT Mosaic Covenant was meant to be a short term one for the Jews and the New Testament Covenant set up by Jesus is meant for Jews and Gentiles and is an everlasting Covenant.
Other teachers come along and speak some wisdom and tell us to love each other etc and eveyone thinks it must be the same God but if we listen to how the Quran and Baha'i writings attack the gospel message and who Jesus is we can see that the same God cannot be involved.

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

and who Jesus is

Jesus is a 1st century Jewish man who ate, drank, shat and slept. He is not God. He is not YHWH/Allah.

As Isaiah 43 says:

“You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
I, even I, am YHWH,
and apart from me there is no savior.
I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH, “that I am God.
Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”


This is what God YHWH says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
“I, YHWH, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
“I am YHWH; that is my name!
I will not yield my glory to another
or my praise to idols.
(Isaiah 42:5-8)


Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one.
Love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.
(Deuteronomy 6:4-6)


There is a reason why you're mocked and ridiculed by Jews and Muslims for believing in a mangod-superhero deity in three parts.

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

There is the same God in the Torah and New Testament.

That is a red herring because Christians do not believe in the God that Jesus believed in, Christians instead believe that Jesus IS God.

The God of the Torah and the God of Christianity do not resemble each other whatsoever.

 

[Dawnofhope]

There is the same God in the Torah and New Testament.
The Quran and teachings of Baha'i are not teachings of God at all except on the surface.
The OT Mosaic Covenant was meant to be a short term one for the Jews and the New Testament Covenant set up by Jesus is meant for Jews and Gentiles and is an everlasting Covenant.
Other teachers come along and speak some wisdom and tell us to love each other etc and eveyone thinks it must be the same God but if we listen to how the Quran and Baha'i writings attack the gospel message and who Jesus is we can see that the same God cannot be involved.

We're all entitled to our opinions.

It is clear from an assessment of the nature of God described in the Quran that HIs attributes are similar to those in the Christian Bible.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia

Further many of the Prophets that are attributed to Allah in the Quran are also described in the Christian Bible.

List of people in both the Bible and the Quran - Wikipedia

It may well be that Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah were not who they claim to be. That is another story. However the similarities between the God as described in their respective books are undeniable.

The leader of Christianity's largest and oldest denomination, Catholicism, certainly agrees that Muslims worship the same God as the Christians.

Does Pope Francis Believe Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

 

[stvdv]

If that is correct, and one states they are following the teachings of God, are they also following the teachings of Allah?
Or if one is following the teachings of Allah, are they also following the teachings of God?

If there is a difference, wouldn't that difference lie only in the prophets'/messengers' interpretation of these teachings, since God and Allah are the same being?

Some like Apples (ProphetA/ReligionA),
Some like Bananas (ProphetB/ReligionB)

But when really hungry, all just want Food (God/Love)
@stvdvRF

 

[Fool]

To the best of my knowledge, Allah is Arabic for God. I would conclude from that information that God and Allah are one and the same.

If that is correct, and one states they are following the teachings of God, are they also following the teachings of Allah? Or if one is following the teachings of Allah, are they also following the teachings of God?

If there is a difference, wouldn't that difference lie only in the prophets'/messengers' interpretation of these teachings, since God and Allah are the same being?

jesus would have probably been bilingual and spoke both aramaic and hebrew. this would be most of your 1st century jews and the rest would have spoken aramaic. aramaic was the lingua franca of 1st century middle east. So in answer to your question, everyone would have known that god, no matter the language was one and the same in different languages.


What Language Did Jesus Speak?

 

[Fool]

I see Allah and God as being Arabic and English names for the same God. Of course some Christians will insist Christians and Muslims worship different Gods. Personally I see One God, and overwhelmingly similarities as to how that God is presented in the Torah, New Testament and Quran.

Aramaic, Arabic and Hebrew


Arabic is the language of Islam. The holy book of Islam, the Qur'an, is written in Arabic. All Muslims are expected to be able to read the Qur'an in Arabic. A large population of the world's Muslims do not speak Arabic as a first language, but because of its central role in the religion of Islam, Arabic is studied and understood to a degree by Muslims the world over.


the new testament is originally written in greek, not hebrew.

 

[Fool]

Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Jerusalem and Alexandria Patriarchates, and iirc Coptic, use Arabic. Yes, God is referred to as Allah. So, Allah is not a solely Muslim designation for God.

most of the middle east spoke aramaic in the 1st century, not arabic.


Aramaic dialects survived into Roman times, however, particularly in Palestine and Syria. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE. Certain portions of the Bible—i.e., the books of Daniel and Ezra—are written in Aramaic, as are the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmuds. Among the Jews, Aramaic was used by the common people, while Hebrew remained the language of religion and government and of the upper class. Jesus and the Apostles are believed to have spoken Aramaic, and Aramaic-language translations (Targums) of the Old Testament circulated. Aramaic continued in wide use until about 650 CE, when it was supplanted by Arabic.

 

[Fool]

I see the only difference is a person's understanding.

The Messengers know they are One with God/Allah.

Regards Tony

unfortunately many do not like the messenger, or the message.

Jesus is a 1st century Jewish man who ate, drank, shat and slept. He is not God. He is not YHWH/Allah.

As Isaiah 43 says:

“You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
I, even I, am YHWH,
and apart from me there is no savior.
I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH, “that I am God.
Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”


This is what God YHWH says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
“I, YHWH, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
“I am YHWH; that is my name!
I will not yield my glory to another
or my praise to idols.
(Isaiah 42:5-8)


Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one.
Love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.
(Deuteronomy 6:4-6)


There is a reason why you're mocked and ridiculed by Jews and Muslims for believing in a mangod-superhero deity in three parts.

the messenger is god


exodus 7:1

 

[Heyo]

Many? How many are there? How do you know there are many? How do you know there is not only one?

When I ask 10 people to describe god and I get 11 incompatible answers, I know they are not speaking of the same entity.

 

[Heyo]

To the best of my knowledge, Allah is Arabic for God. I would conclude from that information that God and Allah are one and the same.

If that is correct, and one states they are following the teachings of God, are they also following the teachings of Allah? Or if one is following the teachings of Allah, are they also following the teachings of God?

If there is a difference, wouldn't that difference lie only in the prophets'/messengers' interpretation of these teachings, since God and Allah are the same being?

Does Arabic have a distinction between "god" and "God"?
("god" being a generic term and "God" being used as a proper name.)

 

[JustGeorge]

Does Arabic have a distinction between "god" and "God"?
("god" being a generic term and "God" being used as a proper name.)

I'm not certain on what the term for a generic god would be, but I know the term Allah is used because it cannot be made plural.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

unfortunately many do not like the messenger, or the message.

Unfortunately many suffer uneccesarily because of that.

Regards Tony

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

Does Arabic have a distinction between "god" and "God"?
("god" being a generic term and "God" being used as a proper name.)

I'm not certain on what the term for a generic god would be, but I know the term Allah is used because it cannot be made plural.

The generic term for "god" in Arabic is Lah.
As JustGeorge says, Allah (which means "The God" capital G and emphasis on 'The') cannot be made plural.

It's similar with Hebrew, how El is the generic word for "god", Elohim is the plural, and Eloah is the singular for "God" (capital G).

Allah and Eloah both look and sound similar.

However Elohim and El are used more in the Tanakh than Eloah, however the most used is the "personal name" of YHWH (which is absent* from Islam).



*(and polemically at least, it is likely because the name "YHWH" itself originated out of the Canaanite pantheon, well that's what secular scholarship tends to think)

 

[Heyo]

The generic term for "god" in Arabic is Lah.
As JustGeorge says, Allah (which means "The God" capital G and emphasis on 'The') cannot be made plural.

It's similar with Hebrew, how El is the generic word for "god", Elohim is the plural, and Eloah is the singular for "God" (capital G).

Allah and Eloah both look and sound similar.

However Elohim and El are used more in the Tanakh than Eloah, however the most used is the "personal name" of YHWH (which is absent* from Islam).



*(and polemically at least, it is likely because the name "YHWH" itself originated out of the Canaanite pantheon, well that's what secular scholarship tends to think)

Thanks, very interesting.
So it seems that Allah is not the same as YHVH but may be identical to Eloah. Just how does Allah then relate to God, who is an amalgamation of Eloah and YHVH?

 

[Brian2]

Jesus is a 1st century Jewish man who ate, drank, shat and slept. He is not God. He is not YHWH/Allah.

Yes He is.

As Isaiah 43 says:

“You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
I, even I, am YHWH,
and apart from me there is no savior.
I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares YHWH, “that I am God.
Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”


This is what God YHWH says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
“I, YHWH, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
“I am YHWH; that is my name!
I will not yield my glory to another
or my praise to idols.
(Isaiah 42:5-8)


Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one.
Love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.
(Deuteronomy 6:4-6)

Nothing there which denies that Jesus is YHWH, along with His Father and the Holy Spirit.

There is a reason why you're mocked and ridiculed by Jews and Muslims for believing in a mangod-superhero deity in three parts.

Yes I know.

 

[Brian2]

That is a red herring because Christians do not believe in the God that Jesus believed in, Christians instead believe that Jesus IS God.

The God of the Torah and the God of Christianity do not resemble each other whatsoever.

Does that mean you do not know the New Testament and Torah or that you just do not believe them?
Christians believe Jesus is God's Son, equal and the same in nature to His Father and having existed with and in His Father from eternity.
Read the New Testament and you will see that Jesus is just as wild and un-nice as the God of the Old Testament.

 

[Brian2]

We're all entitled to our opinions.

It is clear from an assessment of the nature of God described in the Quran that HIs attributes are similar to those in the Christian Bible.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia

Further many of the Prophets that are attributed to Allah in the Quran are also described in the Christian Bible.

List of people in both the Bible and the Quran - Wikipedia

It may well be that Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah were not who they claim to be. That is another story. However the similarities between the God as described in their respective books are undeniable.

The leader of Christianity's largest and oldest denomination, Catholicism, certainly agrees that Muslims worship the same God as the Christians.

Does Pope Francis Believe Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Muslims and Baha'is actually believe they worship the same God as in the Bible, and really the God of the Bible, the only true God may even accept worship from Muslims and Baha'is since He knows the heart of a person. The truth however is that the Quran and writings of Baha'u'llah did not come from that God.

 

[stvdv]

The truth however is that the Quran and writings of Baha'u'llah did not come from that God.

Of course, this ("the truth" and "knowing what God did or did not do") is all in "your humble opinion", right?