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The true meaning of xmas

Omraam

Member
St Luke was the most scholarly of the Evangelists. In his telling of the birth of Jesus, he revealed the events that take place in the soul of every human being in the form of images. It is these symbolic images that I want to show you now.


No room at the inn
When Mary and Joseph sought refuge at the inn, there was no room for them, that is, human beings who are too busy eating and drinking and amusing themselves, have no room for the Initiate who has received the Child.

This Divine Child which is conceived in him as a Light may be an ideal he has long cherished and nourished, but where can he go with It? No one will open the door to him, that is, no one understands him. But wait, yonder is a stable. The stable and its manger are symbolic, first of all, of poverty, of difficulty with material conditions.

Yes, for one who is inhabited by the Spirit it will always be thus: humans will never appreciate him, they will always refuse to receive him, but thanks to the Light projected by him around the manger, he will be seen from afar by others who will come and visit him.

The five-pointed star
This Light represented by a star with five points is an absolute reality: it shines above the head of every Initiate whose feminine principle (that is, whose heart and soul) has given birth to the Christ Child, conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Then the mind, Joseph, instead of being jealous and repudiating Mary as a gross man might (‘This child you have given birth to is not mine, get out!’), must bow before her and say, ‘It must be God Himself who has brought this efflorescence to the heart and soul of Mary. I am not capable of that.’

The mind must not be resentful or angry, but rather be understanding and think, ‘This is something beyond my understanding..., ’ and be willing to shelter and protect Mary.

To repudiate Mary is to repudiate half one’s being, to become like those who are purely intellectual and rational, having banished all emotion, all receptivity, all gentleness, humility, and kindness. Many people have repudiated Mary because she chose to receive the Holy Spirit.

You must understand that Mary and Joseph are symbols of the inner life: those who deny Mary are dry and cold, their mind is critical, discontented, destructive... Joseph was not this way, on the contrary, he respected Mary and kept her with him, saying to himself, ‘Oh, she is expecting a child... I will protect her because she needs my help.’

And what is the Star? It is a phenomenon that inevitably occurs in the life of a true mystic, a true Initiate. Above his head appears a star, a luminous pentacle.

‘That which is above is like that which is below, and that which is below is like that which is above’: the pentacle must therefore exist doubly for man is himself a living pentacle, and when he has fully developed the five virtues of kindness, justice, love, wisdom and truth, another pentacle appears in the form of light, to represent him in the higher spheres.

This light, this Star that shines above the stable means that every Initiate who has in him the Living Christ, shines with a light that appeases and nourishes, a comforting, healing, purifying, revitalizing light.

When this light shines brightly enough to be seen from afar by others, they know that something special is manifesting itself through that being. It is the Christ.

The stable
Now let us go back to the stable. In this stable there were neither shepherds nor flocks, only the ox and the ***.

Why? The story has been repeated again and again over the centuries without being understood, because the knowledge of universal symbolism has been lost.

The stable represents the physical body, and we know that in ancient days, the ox, the bull, stood for the principle of generation. In Egypt, for instance, the bull Apis was the symbol of fertility and fecundity.

The bull is under the influence of Venus and represents sexual force; the *** is under the influence of Saturn and represents the personality, man's lower nature, the old Adam, headstrong and stubborn but a good servant.

Here are the two animals, waiting to serve Jesus. But serve him how? I will now reveal a tremendous mystery to you.

When man begins the work of making himself more perfect, he comes into conflict with his personality and his sensuality.

The Initiate is one who has been able to master these two forces and put them to work for him, not by annihilating them... the two beasts are not chased away or killed... they are there, present at the Birth, but what do they do? They breathe on the Christ Child and warm him with their breath!

When the Initiate is able to transform the *** and the ox within himself by putting them to work for him they warm the newborn child with their breath.

The forces are no longer there to torment him, lead him astray or cause him suffering... no, they are now life-giving forces. Breath is life! You see, the breath of the *** and ox is reminiscent of the Breath of God which brought Life to the first man.

The ox and the *** serve the Christ Child, meaning that all who have the Christ within them will be served by their personality and sensuality, and once you put them to work, these are extraordinarily useful forces.

The angel, the shepherds and the lambs
Now an Angel appears to the shepherds whose stable it is, as they watch their sheep in the fields, and announces the birth of Jesus.

They are amazed and prostrate themselves before picking up their lambs and bringing them to Jesus as an offering. This means that all who have a share in our physical body, that is, our family spirits (incarnated or not) and our worldly goods (symbolically represented by the sheep, dogs and lambs) are warned of what has happened.

They are warned because they have participated in the formation of this stable (the physical body) and they come running, exclaiming to themselves, ‘Oh, my! Never did we dream such an honour would be bestowed on our stable!’

Everyone is eager to serve the Child. When the familiar spirits on earth and in the beyond are told the news of the splendid event that has occurred in your heart and soul, they come to bring you gifts and bow down before you.

Yes, everyone in the world is eager to serve the Child. But as long as you have not given birth to it, do not count on any help... the Angels are there to serve those in whom the Christ Child is born, not you yourself, but the Divine Principle, the Christ, the Son of God.

The manger
Now let us look at the symbolism of the manger. Yes, why was Jesus born in a manger on a pile of straw, and not in a palace or a magnificent temple?

Everything is symbolic about the Gospel tale of the birth of Jesus in a manger, but few people suspect the deeper meaning. You will understand where, in what part of your body this manger is, if you recall my talks on the Hara centre in which I explained the role it plays in the spiritual life of the Initiate, once he knows how to work with it.

Hara signifies the belly, the centre a few centimetres below the navel known principally to the Japanese. In the past it was known by every Initiate; Jesus referred to it when he said, ‘...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water...' This is the Hara centre, the manger in which Christ is born, between the bull and the ***... or the liver and the spleen.

I see you are astonished. You think that Jesus should be born in the head, the mind. Have you ever seen a baby born from its mother's head?

No one thinks of that, the stomach and intestines, the belly, are considered dirty and disgusting places but the fact remains that God chose that place for the perpetuation of mankind.

There, in the Hara centre, the disciple must bring his new consciousness, the Christ Child, to birth. Nothing is more important, nothing is higher than to work for the birth of the Divine Child within you.

When you reach your goal, Heaven and earth will sing for joy, from the four corners of the earth Beings will see that a new Light is born and will bring you presents.

Herod
Of course, Herod (for there is always a Herod) will be furious and will try to kill the Child, he will tell the Wise Men, ‘Go and search diligently for the young child, and when ye have found him, bring me word again that I may come and worship him also.’

Happily, there will be Angels to warn you as the Angel warned Joseph, ‘Arise, and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.’

The Wise Men also received an order not to return to Herod, and they left for their own country by another route. This means that all who are near Jesus, near to the Christ Principle, will no longer be able to follow the same road as before, they will have to take another direction.

You had not thought of that had you? Everything is so profound, so mysterious! To me, it is unbelievably extraordinary! And believe me, I do not invent anything, I am transmitting the Science exactly as I received it, the veritable Science. The Gospel stories satisfy the majority of people with a more or less superficial, limited point of view, but the contents of the stories, the meaning, is for Initiates.

The birth of Jesus can occur in everyone
I will not interpret the entire chapter of St Luke for you. I simply want to enlighten a corner of your inner life, to show you that the birth of Jesus is a mystical event that can occur in everyone.

If you keep in mind this image of the manger with Joseph, Mary and the Child between the ox and the *** and the Star shining above the stable, you will in time understand its meaning.

Omraam
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
As Katzpur said, Great first post, Omraam!

Welcome to the forum; since this is your first post, I thought i would take the opportunity to welcome you here. You might like to post an introduction of yourself on:-
Are you new to ReligiousForums.com? , and may I suggest that you look at our article with links for our newer members! , which includes the forum rules.

Have a great time here, and I look forwards to seeing you on the forum.;)
 

Pah

Uber all member
I'm wondering then, with that very important Christian meaning, why there should be a national and commericial holiday associated with it. How do you return to that meaning and do you impose it on the rest of the nation?
 

Omraam

Member
Pah said:
I'm wondering then, with that very important Christian meaning, why there should be a national and commericial holiday associated with it ?
Its because that meaning has been lost to christian countries in general that they celebrate the birth of christ with a shallow commercial holiday .

They neither know nor understand this knowledge , but still , they do realize the importance of at least some form of spiritual celebration . An explanation of why they are giving , or supposed to be at any rate.

But it is celebrated in a way the mass understands . And what the mass understands is not so benificial to spiritual development at the moment .

But this does,nt mean that a national commercial holiday is a bad thing in itself .

Hopefully in the future , our grand festive commercial holidays of xmas and easter will be celebrated by thousands and thousands , millions of people , who understand in a deeper more significant way , why firstly they celebrate the birth , and also why they seek to resemble christs charity .

And the worlds other major religions likewise will celebrate their own way , and with spiritual sincerity .

Because national holidays are not bad , shopping is not bad , consumerism . Its how we go about it thats wrong a the moment .

Its all about symbolism and inner growth .

In the course of a year, as the sun moves round the circle of the zodiac, it travels through the four points known as the equinoxes and the solstices. The equinoxes correspond to the two days of the year when the sun crosses the equator and day and night are of equal length.

These two days are March 21 and September 21. The solstices, on the other hand, correspond to the two days on which the angle between the sun and the equator is at its maximum.

These are December 21, the winter solstice and the shortest day of the year, and June 21, the summer solstice and the longest day of the year.

To these four points in time, the solstices and the equinoxes, correspond four so-called Cardinal Feasts: Christmas, Easter, St.John the Baptist and St. Michael Archangel.

These feast-days were instituted by the Initiates as a reminder to human beings that, on those days, the sun sets particularly powerful currents in motion in the universe and that, if they are aware of them, human beings can draw on these currents and use them to advance their evolution.

The passage from one season to the next occurs at these four points, each of which is a nexus of extraordinary forces proper to each season.

Finally, on December 21, comes the winter solstice, a few days later, it is Christmas. Christmas is the celebration of a birth, that is to say, of a descent into matter, a condensation, a cristallization reflecting the characteristic of winter, the season in which nature freezes and becomes immobile.

The winter solstice is a period for birth, a propitious period for something to be born on earth. The other feasts correspond to seperation, resurrection and the kindling of fire; only the feast of Christmas is associated with material realization on earth


 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Just asked my 3 kids, ages 11, 7, and 5 what Christmas means to them. All replied PRESENTS! NEW TOYS TO PLAY WITH! When my wife asked our daughter (Trying to explain the question) "If Christmas was tomorrow, what would you do?" Her reply was "Go to sleep now!"
Christmas means to much to kids. Why are there so many people trying to ruin it for them?​
It's so sad, people that hate religion so much that they would, if possible, destroy something that means so much to so many kids.
 

Omraam

Member
jgallandt said:
Just asked my 3 kids, ages 11, 7, and 5 what Christmas means to them. All replied PRESENTS! NEW TOYS TO PLAY WITH! When my wife asked our daughter (Trying to explain the question) "If Christmas was tomorrow, what would you do?" Her reply was "Go to sleep now!"
Christmas means so much to kids. Why are there so many people trying to ruin it for them?.​

What people are ruining it for them ?
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Omraam said:
What people are ruining it for them ?
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Read the forum! So many people would do away with the holiday if they could because of it's a Christian holiday. Where is the Christmas spirit? I read more 'Bah, Humbug' threads then anything else! Arguements on it's creation. That it doesn't mean to them what it means to me, so therefore it ought to be banished....
 

Omraam

Member
jgallandt said:
Where is the Christmas spirit? QUOTE]

Well there is none , exactly because christianity as it stands cannot justify having xmas . The church does not know what its saying , people are being driven away from god . And who can blame them ?

As I say , we need a new insight in order for things to have any meaning in the next millenia.
 

Pah

Uber all member
jgallandt said:
Read the forum! So many people would do away with the holiday if they could because of it's a Christian holiday. Where is the Christmas spirit? I read more 'Bah, Humbug' threads then anything else! Arguements on it's creation. That it doesn't mean to them what it means to me, so therefore it ought to be banished....
Who wants to bannish Christmas? I'm even for keeping the name. But I don't think that those who want to completely make the national holiday a Christian one have any leg to stand on.
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Pah said:
Who wants to bannish Christmas? I'm even for keeping the name. But I don't think that those who want to completely make the national holiday a Christian one have any leg to stand on.
Pah, I'll agree with you that making it a national religious holiday is wrong. (Separation of church and state.) Let people have the day off to worship, or not worship what they want. But above all else, remember what it means to the children.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
I really don't want to be scrooge, but....

...maybe if we think on what Omraam said in his initial post the problem will resolve itself. I can't help thinking of the saying 'suffer little children that come unto me' and surely not only was Jeheshuah a bright and shining star, the reconciling pentagrammaton, so are all our little ones. With each day new stars come into the world, wouldn't it be a better endeavour to try and create a better world than celebrating a festival that has little to do with the messiach? If you have the money to buy them gifts, buy them gifts. If you have more than enough, maybe give some of it away. If you have little try and find time to lavish more love on them (something I'm certainly guilty of neglecting!!!)

To me Christmas, truly a misnomer, is about the Roman rite of Sol Invictus, the undying sun. It is as a result of syncretism and has naught to do with Jeheshuah. The whole resurrection story strikes me as a solar rite, with the sun/son setting then rising again. Often when I think of the story I am comforted that Jeheshuah from birth was risen as a star, who when asked where he had been for three days replied 'As Jonah in the belly of the whale.' We all remember the Jonah story right??? It is more than likely that the personage crucified at Golgotha did not rise as a sun, but as a star behind the cross. I will not delve too deeply into the old cliche of 666, other than to say it has more to do with the pagan rites of solar worship, than it does anything to do with Jehehsuah. There is not one sun in the universe...there are to say the least....a few :rolleyes:

I hope that doesn't come across as a Bahhhhh Humbuggggg.
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
We can all celebrate Christmas the way we want too. For me, it's thanking Jesus by making my kids happy, A day they look forward to all year. I could care less about how it originated. Before my time. If someone wants to celebrate it as Kooter Brown's birthday, more power to them. There's a 1 in 365 chance that Jesus was actually born on that day. Does it really matter? To some, maybe, but not to me. Do something nice for someone, Then try and continue the trend for another 364 days.
 
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