"The Truth About PhD Creationists"

[omega2xx]

In my opinion getting rid of our slave economy was a huge improvement. Life for orphans has improved in some ways although they are still vulnerable, and child abuse continues to be a problem. Life for widows and divorcees has probably improved. The poor are somewhat better off, and so are the mentally ill.

I agree with most of what you said. What disturbs must conservative Christians is the ever since the 60's our nation has gotten farther away from God. In the past 10 or so years our society has gotten hostile towards most religions but more so towards Christianity. At the same time not only has anarchy increased, it has become more acceptable.

That is a bad trend for any society.

 

[omega2xx]

FYI, Instead of erasing everything in your post you also have the option of deleting the whole thing.


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I am not to swift on these consarned new fangled gadgets, but I'm learning, but very slowly.

 

[omega2xx]

You hope that the wisdom of god doesn't prevail? How very odd for a Christian.


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How sad. You can't even understand what I said.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I agree with most of what you said. What disturbs must conservative Christians is the ever since the 60's our nation has gotten farther away from God. In the past 10 or so years our society has gotten hostile towards most religions but more so towards Christianity. At the same time not only has anarchy increased, it has become more acceptable.

That is a bad trend for any society.

The same thing happened during the decade of the roaring 1920's. Some of what we are seeing is fallout from previous evils like wars and slavery. Plus the churches are very divided. You join church A and it does everything it can to keep you from switching to church B. There's so much money in church now and such huge churches with ministers flying around in 30 million dollar jets. Its like what happened before the Reformation when church clerics had lots of land and power while the peasants faces were ground into the dirt. People can sense that this isn't right. I don't think evolutionary theory is responsible for of the extreme losses that Christians have seen. Its hardly even a feather on the scale.

 

[omega2xx]

Sapiens said: ↑

Wrong as wrong can be. Blue-eyed humans all have a single, common ancestor. Scientists have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6,000-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye color of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today. Perhaps you enjoy shooting yourself in the foot?

Typical quote mining, nothing more.

I did refute it. The ball is now in your court, you must either provide the full quote, in context, and show that the author actually held the views that you suggest or, as an alternative, cotton to being a sitinkin' lyin' quote miner.

What you did was no different than quote mining, and the only ones who object to others using quotes from experts, are wow who cant refute the quote. Also if you think tracing a mutation that changed eye color is evidence of evolution, you are in sad need of a basic source in genetics. If you don't have the intellect to discuss a subject in a civil manner, you can go peddle your papers to soemone who cares what you think.

Speakin' o' which; it amazes me that you have the temerity to attempt to hold forth as an anti-evolution expert when you demonstrate a lack of even a Junior High Biology class knowledge of the genetics of human eye color. I'd have though that your god, were he, she or it, real, would have sent a more knowledgeable champion. You off to a rather poor start and are clearly neither the Alpha nor the Omega here.

I have done no such thing, that is what you have done. I only present basic, proven, scientific facts that even a cave man can understand.

Sapiens said: ↑
All fossils are intermediates just as your parents are intermediates between you and your grandparents.

Evidently you don't understand intermediates either.

Evolution does not require a change in species, rather a change in species is the inevitable and eventual result of evolution. Every individuals is on it's way from what it once was to what it will some day be, different from what it's parent's were and different from what it's offspring will be ... it is a continuum.

Also not true. The basic tenant of evolution is that all life originated from a common source. and evolved into what we see. Now look up; the definition of evolved and you will see that your statement is not correct.
Every individual, animal and plant is not on its way; it is already there to reinforce "after it kind."

BTW: Please define "species" and "kind," paying special attention to the genetic basis of said definitions, and the difference between the two concepts. OK? Else, don't use words when you don't know what they mean.

A species and a kind are the same thing. it is a group that can mate and produce offspring . And since you don't understand basic genetics, let me explain something real science has PROVED---If the parents don't have the gene for a characteristic, they will NEVER have a kid with a characteristic not in their gene pool. The nose of pakicetus will NEVER become a blowhole. Proven genetics will not allow it.

Don't tell me what to do. You don't have that authority.

 

[omega2xx]

I have yet to see anything accurate in any of your posts.

That wasn't the question now ws it?

To be fair, I have not seen every one of your posts.
So it is possible you told someone "hello" somewhere I have not seen.

I am broken hearted that you don't hang on my every word.

 

[omega2xx]

Flying home to claim victory now?

 

[omega2xx]

Gould was certainly well known, but then so were Bob Bakker, Roy Chapman Andrews, Barnum Brown, Edward Drinker Cope, Alfred Sherwood Romer, and Luis Alvarez. I reject something that each and every one of the said, I am sure ... that, my friend, is the signature of an open mind.
There are many intermediates. Here is a partial list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

But it is the truth, I'd love to see you argue against it rather than just make baseless claims from ignorance,

For years the fossil record was one of the backbones of evolution theory. When they finally figured out it did not support evolution, the found a new way to give the faithful hope---all fossils are transitional. You have drunk the evo kool-aid and it tasted good. I dont have to refute it, by definition it refutes itself.

 

[omega2xx]

rotflmao

So that is how you protect your ignorance.

No, it is how I expose your ignorance.

 

[omega2xx]

Flying home to claim victory now?

Victory is for games. If you consider this a game maybe that is why you don't play it very well.

 

[omega2xx]

I read Sam Harris' A Letter to a Christian Nation today, and I liked that he brought up Creationist PhD. holders who do hold it in a science, but "bend science" to suit their religious needs, making them not scientists.
Too bad that letter will never be required high school reading.

An evolutionist criticizing the credentials of Creation scientist far more qualified than he is---pitful.

 

[omega2xx]

The same thing happened during the decade of the roaring 1920's. Some of what we are seeing is fallout from previous evils like wars and slavery. Plus the churches are very divided. You join church A and it does everything it can to keep you from switching to church B. There's so much money in church now and such huge churches with ministers flying around in 30 million dollar jets. Its like what happened before the Reformation when church clerics had lots of land and power while the peasants faces were ground into the dirt. People can sense that this isn't right. I don't think evolutionary theory is responsible for of the extreme losses that Christians have seen. Its hardly even a feather on the scale.

I certainly agree with that. Churches spend to much on themselves ,but those I a familiar with also spend a lot of money helping the less unfortunate. I don't know where to draw the line, but a church having a 30 million jet, would be way below my line. In fact it would not even be on my list.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

An evolutionist

"Evolutionist" is not a real word. People are not "germists" or "gravitationists." Thus people are not "evolutionists."

An evolutionist criticizing the credentials of Creation scientist far more qualified than he is---pitful.

Do you even know what Harris' credentials are? And he didn't criticize any specific creationist, and he didn't even specify creationist. It was everyone who holds a PhD in science and begins with an assumption and manipulates data to suit their religious needs, rather than gathering data and drawing a conclusion from it, which is what science is and scientists do. It's basically why fields like cryptozoology are not considered science.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I certainly agree with that. Churches spend to much on themselves ,but those I a familiar with also spend a lot of money helping the less unfortunate. I don't know where to draw the line, but a church having a 30 million jet, would be way below my line. In fact it would not even be on my list.

Don't forget, getting a rich man into Heaven is harder than getting a camel through the eye of a needle (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25) - pretty much impossible. A $30 million private jet is definitely exorbitantly rich, a sum of wealth far beyond the king's of Christ's time when he said rich people cannot get into the Kingdom.

 

[McBell]

No, it is how I expose your ignorance.

I know you will not be able to understand this, but:

The only ignorance you have exposed is your own.​

 

[McBell]

I dont have to refute it,

We know that the truth is you can not refute it.
This pigeon chess does not fool anyone outside the choir.

by definition it refutes itself.

Ah yes, A favoured catch phrase for those who know they cannot support their claims.
Another popular one is "common sense",

 

[McBell]

That wasn't the question now ws it?

Your avoidance is comical.

I am broken hearted that you don't hang on my every word.

Given your post history, I have no idea if that is sincerity or sarcasm...

 

[viole]

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"The truth about creationists with PhDs: Their diplomas exist for the sole purpose of inflating the credibility of the institutions that they represent."​

So, Humphreys seems to be a less than credible PhD physicist championing creationism. But are there any credible PhD physicists doing so? Or how about a notable PhD scientist of any stripe championing creationism?

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Well, they need to, don't they? And usually the nonsense is proportional to the number of titles.

It is a way of saying: don't feel silly if you believe in Noah and marsupials going to the Middle East and back, for me, Prof. Dr. etc... believes that, too.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Reggie Miller]

I agree with most of what you said. What disturbs must conservative Christians is the ever since the 60's our nation has gotten farther away from God. In the past 10 or so years our society has gotten hostile towards most religions but more so towards Christianity. At the same time not only has anarchy increased, it has become more acceptable.

That is a bad trend for any society.

Actually it is just the prophecies in Revelation coming to fruition.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually it is just the prophecies in Revelation coming to fruition.

People have literally been saying that since the Church was established, but it has never happened. How can you even pretend to know these acts are prophecies being fulfilled, when Jesus himself said that only the Father knows when these events will happen, and that it shall come, unexpected, "like a thief in the night?"
And, do be aware, anarchy has not been spreading, nor has it increased, and I just am not seeing this hostility towards Christianity. After all, the majority of Americans are Christian. Conservative Christianity is being pushed back, but that is because no one should ever be forced to adhere to religious dogma they do not believe in themselves. This is a "free" society, not a Christian-dictated society.