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The UK is not as bad as Venezuela

England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
ChristineM said:
Changing the goalpost now?

The claim of "will if the people" is just another brexit untruth, like so many others. Its the will of 37.5% of the people.

I have no qualms with democracy, even weighted british democracy. My gripe is the lying.
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Politicians lie,always have always will,people voted out but not for the red bus,they voted out because of the crazy idea of freedom of movement.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
How is Corbyn a communist (as opposed to, say, a socialist?) and how is being a communist a 'lack of respect' for our country?

Being a democracy might have something to do with it.




What does 'our team' mean in this context? You're using rather vague terms here which don't carry much specific meaning?

He's not a patriot




The Tories literally just bought their way to a Parliamentary power-sharing arrangement with Irish terrorists.

I have no liking for this but worthwhile in respect of majority,without them it would be much worse.




What are you talking about? Corbyn wants to stop sending our soldiers out to die in pointless resource-based conflicts aimed at power-projection and maintaining the jingoistic illusion of old Empire. If anything, I'd say he's showing more respect for British veterans by showing he doesn't want to spend their lives needlessly.

Unlike Blair so commendable but I truly hope Corbyn or labour ever get to power as they are at the moment.




Because the red flag is a symbol of socialism and Corbyn is a socialist. Would you rather an atheist republican sing 'God Save the Queen'? You could then have a go at him for being a hypocrite ;)

And communists,labour has a Marxist fan club




Okay, will do.




That's your call and I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered because of it. I suspect the guys abusing you thought that your refusal to unionise was undermining their ability to collectively bargain.

I gave back what I got and some,collective bargaining for workers rights is what unions are for but using my vote for political ends is, in my view unacceptable.




You are joking! The Tories are guilty of pretty much everything they've accused Corbyn of. I'll list it:
  1. Supporting Irish terrorism - Ulster Unionists;
  2. Being currently affiliated with Irish terrorist organisations - Croydon Tory councillor Maria Gatland was a full member of the Provisional IRA;
  3. Supporting foreign terrorism - the Tories arm and fund the Saudi government which is also the biggest foreign source of terrorism in the UK while refusing to condemn its domestic excesses and its commission of war crimes in Yemen;
  4. Not being patriotic - turning a campaign to leave the EU based on xenophobia & outright lies into 'the will of the people' while demanding that everyone is patriotic by not pointing out the fact that they (the Tories) are sucking ***-hair at negotiating with the EU. Has David Davis performed a cost analysis of what a no-deal exit will look like yet?;
  5. Wanting to leave the UK defenceless - Tories are shrinking the armed services while not providing adequate support services to British veterans and are planning to sink hundreds of billions (which COULD be spent on conventional forces) into a nuclear 'deterrent' which does not protect us from contemporary threats like cyber attacks or Islamic terrorism;
  6. Not respecting democracy - the Tories cheated to gain their last Parliamentary majority, then held up the gerrymandered result of an advisory referendum as 'the will of the people', are now planning to use archaic legislation (Henry VIII amendments) to circumvent Parliamentary scrutiny, have since bought a power-sharing deal with Irish terrorists a party which has the backing of Irish terrorists (the UDA) to the tune of £1.5bn (is any of that even legal?) and continue to act as though they have a mandate for any of their bull**** despite losing their Parliamentary majority;
  7. Being fiscally irresponsible - the Tories borrowed more in five years than Labour did in fifteen years and the UK national debt now stands at £1.8tn;

They've got so much collective brass neck I'm amazed copper thieves haven't beheaded the Cabinet and sold their heads to a yard.

Saudi Arabia is the cradle of Islam but not the cradle of Islamic jihad,that was Egypt.

Obviously your unhappy about it all but the fact remains the country voted to leave,whether we do business with Saudi the Irish or whoever nothing can change that,if labour won it probably would have and for the worst.



Then you as a Tory voter bear some responsibility for the mess we're in now. Also, you have no valid basis for comparing Corbyn's performance in government to the Tories as Corbyn has never actually been in government.

I disagree,I feel I'm in the right as I voted,my vote made a difference but people who didn't let everyone down.
The ideal for me would have been a workable tory majority and go for a hard exit.




Citizenship isn't a necessary requirement to vote in UK referenda because:
  1. Precedent - EU nationals were allowed to vote in the Scottish independence referendum;

    Seems they didn't want to leave the union either.
  2. 16-17 year olds who were British citizens living in the UK were denied a vote - this actually also falls under precedent as this age group was allowed a vote in the Scottish independence referendum;
  3. British citizens living in Europe were denied a vote;
The only reason it became a requirement here is because the Tories wanted to gerrymander the result towards Brexit.
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Well it worked out well for those who wanted to leave,it isn't pretty but it is what it is so people should eat concrete and move on.

If I've missed crossing Ts and stuff this is from my phone.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
England my lionheart said:
Politicians lie,always have always will,people voted out but not for the red bus,they voted out because of the crazy idea of freedom of movement.
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No they didn't, not in general at least, most out voters were ill informed and voted on broken promises, lies and xenophobia.
 
The Holy Bottom Burp

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
Notanumber said:
It seems the UK had a close shave at the last election.

Britain under Corbyn? Just look at Venezuela | The Spectator
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Just bringing it back a little, Venezuela is a human tragedy, I could bring up links to right wing regimes where "the people" have suffered horribly, but that is not the point is it? To compare the UK under Corbyn's rule with Venezuela is "a bit dumb" at best I'd say. I'm old enough (and I have enough grip on our national history) to know that Labour regimes and Tory regimes have come and gone without the nation being plunged into disaster. For most of the people, most of the time, not much changes. They may enjoy spells of prosperity but eventually the administration loses its way and we end up voting in the "other guy". That is political reality (you may want to bring up the "Winter of Discontent" at this point, I may want to bring up the working class struggle to emancipate the "common" person, let's not go there shall we?).

However, that "reality" wouldn't be possible without the "lefties" like Corbyn keeping the "nutty right" in check right? Your post (so soon after a victorious election result) tells me the right wing grass roots are worried about the next election. Corbyn is coming for you! Watch out fella! :D
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
The Holy Bottom Burp said:
Just bringing it back a little, Venezuela is a human tragedy, I could bring up links to right wing regimes where "the people" have suffered horribly, but that is not the point is it? To compare the UK under Corbyn's rule with Venezuela is "a bit dumb" at best I'd say. I'm old enough (and I have enough grip on our national history) to know that Labour regimes and Tory regimes have come and gone without the nation being plunged into disaster. For most of the people, most of the time, not much changes. They may enjoy spells of prosperity but eventually the administration loses its way and we end up voting in the "other guy". That is political reality (you may want to bring up the "Winter of Discontent" at this point, I may want to bring up the working class struggle to emancipate the "common" person, let's not go there shall we?).

However, that "reality" wouldn't be possible without the "lefties" like Corbyn keeping the "nutty right" in check right? Your post (so soon after a victorious election result) tells me the right wing grass roots are worried about the next election. Corbyn is coming for you! Watch out fella! :D
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The Corbynistas thrive on threats.

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Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
The Emperor of Mankind

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The funny thing is there wouldn't even be a Northern Ireland if British loyalists hadn't threatened to engage in a campaign of terrorism aimed at any free Irish state Ulster was made a part of.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
A hard brexit could be done if we immediately close the boarders until agreement is reached this would really speed things up as the ball would be in their court.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
England my lionheart said:
A hard brexit could be done if we immediately close the boarders until agreement is reached this would really speed things up as the ball would be in their court.
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You are the one's who wanted to jump ship, so its up to you to swim, don't pass the buck to the ones who stayed onboard.

You can't be out of the club and get all the benefits of a club member. If you don't like the consequences... In a word 'tough', your guys should have thought things through rather than jumping on the xenophobia train then preying it will turn out ok.
 
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