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The UK is not as bad as Venezuela

Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
As you are a supporter of the Green Party, you should know all about propaganda.

The Green Party is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Just because you call yourself Green, does not mean that you are not Red to the core.
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I support many of their policies; but have only voted for them tactically to stop right wing alternatives.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you, i am disenfranchised at the moment with no party representing my views.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Altfish said:
I support many of their policies; but have only voted for them tactically to stop right wing alternatives.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you, i am disenfranchised at the moment with no party representing my views.
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Nothing would tempt me to vote for a despicable ideology.

I would rather withhold my vote as I did in the Local Elections.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
The Emperor of Mankind said:
On what basis do you claim this?
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The three main parties have been happy to cast accusations of extremism at Ukip, yet they have missed the real extremist party in their midst. There is nothing to be welcomed in a shrinking economy, not even with £72 a week to compensate you for your lost job. If a depression were a reasonable price to pay for an improved environment, Tyneside in the 1930s would be remembered as a paradise. No doubt the air became cleaner as shipyards closed, yet those who lived through the Great Depression tended to remember it for other reasons: hunger and desperation.

Of course, everyone should be concerned about the environment, but to think that it is best-served by self-imposed poverty is folly. Pollution from industrial activity has fallen hugely since the 1930s, not because we have held back from wealth creation but for the opposite reason: we have learned how to do things better. We have learned to mitigate the problems associated with rich societies rather than retracting into a form of pre-industrial existence.

The Greens have produced reams of grand ideological policy, in which people subsist in localised economies and practise barter without the need for horrible bankers, yet when they are faced with a genuine environmental challenge they have been found wanting. Brighton, the one council they run, languishes at 306th out of 326 English councils for its recycling rate. Only a quarter of its rubbish was recycled in the last year, compared with two-thirds for the best authorities. For a supposedly green party, this is an astonishing failure.

When off the subject of the environment, however, the policies get even sillier. Only the Green party could propose to shrink our armed forces, end the arms industry and simultaneously make it legal to be a member of Isis or al-Qaeda.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/calling-the-green-party-socialist-is-an-insult-to-socialists/

 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
The three main parties have been happy to cast accusations of extremism at Ukip, yet they have missed the real extremist party in their midst. There is nothing to be welcomed in a shrinking economy, not even with £72 a week to compensate you for your lost job. If a depression were a reasonable price to pay for an improved environment, Tyneside in the 1930s would be remembered as a paradise. No doubt the air became cleaner as shipyards closed, yet those who lived through the Great Depression tended to remember it for other reasons: hunger and desperation.

Of course, everyone should be concerned about the environment, but to think that it is best-served by self-imposed poverty is folly. Pollution from industrial activity has fallen hugely since the 1930s, not because we have held back from wealth creation but for the opposite reason: we have learned how to do things better. We have learned to mitigate the problems associated with rich societies rather than retracting into a form of pre-industrial existence.

The Greens have produced reams of grand ideological policy, in which people subsist in localised economies and practise barter without the need for horrible bankers, yet when they are faced with a genuine environmental challenge they have been found wanting. Brighton, the one council they run, languishes at 306th out of 326 English councils for its recycling rate. Only a quarter of its rubbish was recycled in the last year, compared with two-thirds for the best authorities. For a supposedly green party, this is an astonishing failure.

When off the subject of the environment, however, the policies get even sillier. Only the Green party could propose to shrink our armed forces, end the arms industry and simultaneously make it legal to be a member of Isis or al-Qaeda.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/calling-the-green-party-socialist-is-an-insult-to-socialists/

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You are making them a very attractive party to vote for; less armed forces - a big tick from me.
 
The Emperor of Mankind

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Notanumber said:
The three main parties have been happy to cast accusations of extremism at Ukip, yet they have missed the real extremist party in their midst. There is nothing to be welcomed in a shrinking economy, not even with £72 a week to compensate you for your lost job. If a depression were a reasonable price to pay for an improved environment, Tyneside in the 1930s would be remembered as a paradise. No doubt the air became cleaner as shipyards closed, yet those who lived through the Great Depression tended to remember it for other reasons: hunger and desperation.

Of course, everyone should be concerned about the environment, but to think that it is best-served by self-imposed poverty is folly. Pollution from industrial activity has fallen hugely since the 1930s, not because we have held back from wealth creation but for the opposite reason: we have learned how to do things better. We have learned to mitigate the problems associated with rich societies rather than retracting into a form of pre-industrial existence.

The Greens have produced reams of grand ideological policy, in which people subsist in localised economies and practise barter without the need for horrible bankers, yet when they are faced with a genuine environmental challenge they have been found wanting. Brighton, the one council they run, languishes at 306th out of 326 English councils for its recycling rate. Only a quarter of its rubbish was recycled in the last year, compared with two-thirds for the best authorities. For a supposedly green party, this is an astonishing failure.

When off the subject of the environment, however, the policies get even sillier. Only the Green party could propose to shrink our armed forces, end the arms industry and simultaneously make it legal to be a member of Isis or al-Qaeda.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/calling-the-green-party-socialist-is-an-insult-to-socialists/

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I thought that was far too eloquent to be your own writing and I was right. You lifted an entire chunk of that link's article and pasted it into your post. I can't help but see any reason for that beyond plagiarism.


The Spectator link NAN has plagiarised said:
The three main parties have been happy to cast accusations of extremism at Ukip, yet they have missed the real extremist party in their midst.
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To be fair the Brexit Party Ltd didn't exist at the point this article was written.


There is nothing to be welcomed in a shrinking economy, not even with £72 a week to compensate you for your lost job.
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The pursuit of unlimited economic growth regardless of the consequences has brought us so many problems. Our addiction to consumption is causing us to use the Earth's resources faster than they can replenish. The advent of the consumer society has only made a bad situation worse; 'has your phone broken? What are you getting it repaired for? Just buy a new one!' - with things being designed in such a way that encourages ever-increasing amounts of waste because it's cheaper to buy a replacement than repair the damaged one.


Of course, everyone should be concerned about the environment, but to think that it is best-served by self-imposed poverty is folly.
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Continuing on as we are will lead to both a damaged global environment and self-imposed poverty as resources & living space decrease so this is just nonsense. We need to move our societal focus away from the acquisition of wealth as being so important.


Pollution from industrial activity has fallen hugely since the 1930s,
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Citation needed.

On the other hand, according to data collated by NASA, emissions of CO2 have increased exponentially since circa 1950 and this has a correlation with increased industrialisation.


not because we have held back from wealth creation but for the opposite reason: we have learned how to do things better.
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The mindless creation & acquisition of wealth has allowed us to refine technologies to reduce operational costs but let's not pretend these things were done from so noble a motive as a desire to protect the environment. They were developed to increase business's profit margins.


We have learned to mitigate the problems associated with rich societies rather than retracting into a form of pre-industrial existence.
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The opposite is true. Wealth inequality is getting worse and the wealthiest people on the planet are invariably using their wealth to stymie development and the exploration of new technological fields like renewables. It's this tendency to go where the money is or prioritise things because they generate profit that is stopping us from developing the things we need. We need sustainable energy use from renewable sources; we need to lower CO2 in the atmosphere to more tolerable levels; we need to stop hunting endangered species for sport because their increasingly rare body parts are becoming ever more valuable the more they decline; we need to end our relationship with plastics because mini-plastics are now getting into the atmosphere and we're starting to breathe them in, not to mention the damage regular plastic already does to countless non-human species as well as our own; we need to end our addiction to consuming natural resources for no good reason as this behaviour threatens as scientists from around the world say our continued global economic activity threatens a million species with extinction.


The Greens have produced reams of grand ideological policy, in which people subsist in localised economies and practise barter without the need for horrible bankers, yet when they are faced with a genuine environmental challenge they have been found wanting. Brighton, the one council they run, languishes at 306th out of 326 English councils for its recycling rate.
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:rolleyes:

I'd like to know where the author of this attack article gets their information because they haven't provided sources for this claim or indeed any other claim they've made. Assuming this is true; the Greens can't make people recycle. If they could and did the author would be moaning about that.


When off the subject of the environment, however, the policies get even sillier. Only the Green party could propose to shrink our armed forces, end the arms industry
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No reason to believe reducing our armed forces is a bad move given successive Westminster administrations' tendency to participate in resource-based wars and destabilising other nations. The ridiculous amount the UK spends on a 'defence budget' that goes towards attacking other nations is ridiculous.


and simultaneously make it legal to be a member of Isis or al-Qaeda.
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You need to provide a source to back this claim up because I seriously doubt they plan to do this.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
The UK becoming a vassal state seems to be attractive to you.
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We have been a vassal state since the end of WW2, when we were indebted to the US; we're about to become more embroiled and controlled by it and the Russians and China.
 
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