I agree A-ManESL,the Quran as we can see says it contains allegorical verses yet for many all of it is taken literally.
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The Vortex beckons,how many contradictions and errors are in the Qur'an
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Commoner
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Which is a pretty nice contradicition on its own. Can you take something that states that it is (at least in some parts) allegorical literally without taking it allegorically?
Ugh, I've made my own head spin!
It's kinda like that "This sentence is false" paradox.
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Which is a pretty nice contradicition on its own. Can you take something that states that it is (at least in some parts) allegorical literally without taking it allegorically?
Ugh, I've made my own head spin!
I'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks this way,yes it does make your head spin LOL
A-ManESL
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Which is a pretty nice contradicition on its own. Can you take something that states that it is (at least in some parts) allegorical literally without taking it allegorically?
Ugh, I've made my own head spin!
It's kinda like that "This sentence is false" paradox.
You have misunderstood the verse. I'll explain it again: In this book there are some verses which are straightforward and some other verses which are not straightforward but allegorical. That this particular verse itself is not allegorical is just common sense. If you start reading the Quran with the aim of finding legal loopholes such as this you can no doubt find many such loopholes. But this is a wrong way of reading the Quran because the Quran was never meant to be understood in this way. The Quran was meant to appeal to the hearts of the common people before whom it was revealed in the 7th century and it did this in a way they could relate to. If you are going to analyse the Quran it is only fair that you analyse it in the way it was supposed to be read. Otherwise your analysis is not taking all factors into account.
The Quran (and any holy book, in fact) can never withstand the kind of intellectual legal scrutiny you wish to make. There is a reason for this.
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Commoner
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Yes, I get that and I mostly agree. I would argue, however, that your view is not shared by all muslims (including some on this forum). I dare say that we would not be here, presenting faults in the Qur'an, if it were considered purely as an appeal to one's emotions or as a collection of stories meant to convey moral lessons and general guidelines for a good way to live one's life (regardless of who or what the source of it is). And no one would feel compelled to argue that talking ants and giants exist. Clearly, there is confusion among muslims and non-muslims alike as to how the Qur'an should be read and understood. But there's no denying that not everyone understands it in the same way.
Regarding the verse - I have not misunderstood it, not that that's really relevant. The problem exists only for the person who believes the Qur'an should be taken literally in its entirety. Clearly that would produce a paradox, and clearly such and interpretation would be false, as you would seem to agree.
But, just for the sake of clarity before I go any further, as I clearly cannot rely on what I consider resonable to assess the beliefs of others, answer me this: can ants speak? Or is that not a factual account of events?
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A-ManESL
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Well, I do believe that many incidents in the Quran (such as ants speaking, Adam and Eve) which are rejected by modern science are allegorical. I gave an account of an interpretation of the Fall of Adam in my first post in this thread. However, I am definitely not an Quranic exegete and you must not take my opinion as representative of some section of Muslims.
More importantly I believe the value of the Quran (and other holy books) today lies in their message and in their role as cultural heritages. Hence it is irrelevant to
analyse them in any other way.
I agree that there is no uniformity in interpreting the Quran among Muslims/Non Muslims. (which is not surprising considering the sheer number of Muslim scholars which have existed in Islam.)
Commoner
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Then we agree.
The value I see in analysing the Qur'an in the way that we've been doing is purely as a means of debating those that make truth claims, even scientific claims, based on religious texts. Hopefully those are few and far between, but I am not encouraged by the responses of muslims in this thread and this forum in general. Not that I want to single out muslims - christians, for instance, have the same sort of problem.
OK,now for the next alledged contradiction or error,over the past 10 years or so some Muslims have touted the Qur'an as containing Scientific miracles,lets now see if this is an error or contradiction or perhaps neither.
Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?
Either way these figures do not add up,if its 1 Allah day =1000 Human days we know that the Eath took Billions of years to become an inhabitable place.
If its 50,000,well i wont bother doing the sums for you,the other alledged contradiction is of course when Allah says "be and it is" which is instantanious is another slight problem to explain,this can be seen in 117th verse of Baqara Sûra, in the 73rd verse of An’âm Sûra, in the 40th verse of Nahl Sûra, and in the 82nd verse of Yâsîn Sûra.
Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?
Either way these figures do not add up,if its 1 Allah day =1000 Human days we know that the Eath took Billions of years to become an inhabitable place.
If its 50,000,well i wont bother doing the sums for you,the other alledged contradiction is of course when Allah says "be and it is" which is instantanious is another slight problem to explain,this can be seen in 117th verse of Baqara Sûra, in the 73rd verse of An’âm Sûra, in the 40th verse of Nahl Sûra, and in the 82nd verse of Yâsîn Sûra.