The Walking Dead

[Sir Doom]

So, I just finished watching the latest episode.

In what weird universe is Rick considering giving up Michonne? He said himself The Governor would still want them all dead. All he'd be doing is giving up one of his strongest fighters for a momentary reprieve. Hell, half the reason Merle is even allowed to stay is because he's a strong fighter. Why doesn't that go double for Michonne considering she's not a sociopathic racist gang-biker prone to violent outbursts?

Makes no sense.

 

[freethinker44]

So, I just finished watching the latest episode.

In what weird universe is Rick considering giving up Michonne? He said himself The Governor would still want them all dead. All he'd be doing is giving up one of his strongest fighters for a momentary reprieve. Hell, half the reason Merle is even allowed to stay is because he's a strong fighter. Why doesn't that go double for Michonne considering she's not a sociopathic racist gang-biker prone to violent outbursts?

Makes no sense.

He isn't considering giving up Michonne. That's why he told the group they are going to war with Woodbury. After that he told Hirchel if they gave the Governor Michonne, he would just kill everyone anyways, which is exactly what the Governor plans. I think if the meeting happened two episodes ago, no doubt he would give up Michonne, but after the last episode when Carl told Rick she is one of them now, that episode was pretty much her initiation into the group. Merle on the other hand, I don't think is a member of the group. He is only there because of Daryl, I think he is only alive because of Daryl. Rick and Glen would have let him die in Woodbury if not killed him after it was over.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rick asked Hershel to convince him to not give up Michi...er...Michoe.....her.
I wanna slap him silly for how he treats fine people with such little regard.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So, I just finished watching the latest episode.

In what weird universe is Rick considering giving up Michonne? He said himself The Governor would still want them all dead. All he'd be doing is giving up one of his strongest fighters for a momentary reprieve. Hell, half the reason Merle is even allowed to stay is because he's a strong fighter. Why doesn't that go double for Michonne considering she's not a sociopathic racist gang-biker prone to violent outbursts?

Makes no sense.

He seemed to be wanting the old guy at the end to talk him out of it because after listening to his son last week he felt as though she earned a place on the team......

I think the thing that upset me the most was why didn't he just go ahead and kill the govenor. Dang it.....

 

[Watchmen]

So, I just finished watching the latest episode.

In what weird universe is Rick considering giving up Michonne? He said himself The Governor would still want them all dead. All he'd be doing is giving up one of his strongest fighters for a momentary reprieve. Hell, half the reason Merle is even allowed to stay is because he's a strong fighter. Why doesn't that go double for Michonne considering she's not a sociopathic racist gang-biker prone to violent outbursts?

Makes no sense.

It could buy time to get to safety, but the reality is he isn't really considering it - he told Hershel to talk him out of it. If you ask someone to talk you out of something, you've already made your decision, IMO.

 

[BSM1]

He asked Hershel to talk him out of it because in the back of his mind he thinks there's a slim chance that the governor may not be lying.

 

[Sir Doom]

It could buy time to get to safety, but the reality is he isn't really considering it - he told Hershel to talk him out of it. If you ask someone to talk you out of something, you've already made your decision, IMO.

Yeah that's a fair point. I suppose he would have just said, "I'm doing it!" and Herschel would have had to drag him back to the table on it. That's been his MO lately anyway.

 

[Quiddity]

He isn't considering giving up Michonne. That's why he told the group they are going to war with Woodbury. After that he told Hirchel if they gave the Governor Michonne, he would just kill everyone anyways, which is exactly what the Governor plans. I think if the meeting happened two episodes ago, no doubt he would give up Michonne, but after the last episode when Carl told Rick she is one of them now, that episode was pretty much her initiation into the group. Merle on the other hand, I don't think is a member of the group. He is only there because of Daryl, I think he is only alive because of Daryl. Rick and Glen would have let him die in Woodbury if not killed him after it was over.

Rick...is...considering giving up Michonne. He told the group they were going to war only to scare them into accepting the reality that they may have to give up Michonne. He doesn't trust the Governor but he is definately entertaining the possibility that it may just be the answer to their problem. However, I'd be shocked if he did give her up.

 

[Falvlun]

I think to even entertain the idea of handing over Michonne is incredibly stupid. Rick has to know that the governor would renege on the deal, and then he'd still have the war plus her blood on his hands.

 

[freethinker44]

Rick...is...considering giving up Michonne. He told the group they were going to war only to scare them into accepting the reality that they may have to give up Michonne. He doesn't trust the Governor but he is definately entertaining the possibility that it may just be the answer to their problem. However, I'd be shocked if he did give her up.

He isn't planning on giving her up. He already made the decision to go to fight the governor, he was just gauging Hirchels reaction to make sure he made the right decision by not giving her up, and Hirchel just confirmed Rick's thoughts. The dialogue between Rick and Hirchel was a way for the writers to go into Rick's mind and see the reasoning behind him deciding to go to war instead of giving up Michonne. Hirchel was acting as his conscience for the audience.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think to even entertain the idea of handing over Michonne is incredibly stupid. Rick has to know that the governor would renege on the deal, and then he'd still have the war plus her blood on his hands.

It looks like Famous Writer's Trick #27: Have the hero consider doing something awful,
which will inflame his fans, but then have him do the right thing. Gratuitous drama.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

FWIW, isn't Rick still struggling with his sanity?

 

[freethinker44]

FWIW, isn't Rick still struggling with his sanity?

I think the episode with Morgan wrapped that up. He was able to see in Morgan what he was going to become if he kept pushing people away and doesn't let the past go. Also, he had to reason Morgan out of some the same things he himself was working through. So, hopefully that's over.

 

[Quiddity]

He isn't planning on giving her up. He already made the decision to go to fight the governor, he was just gauging Hirchels reaction to make sure he made the right decision by not giving her up, and Hirchel just confirmed Rick's thoughts. The dialogue between Rick and Hirchel was a way for the writers to go into Rick's mind and see the reasoning behind him deciding to go to war instead of giving up Michonne. Hirchel was acting as his conscience for the audience.

Why would he say that he wanted to scare the group so they could accept the possibility of giving up Michonne if he wasn't thinking of giving her up? I agree with you that he doesn't want to and he probably won't, but disagree with you that the option was completely closed. Especially after having left that guy get eatin on the side of the road.

 

[Watchmen]

Why would he say that he wanted to scare the group so they could accept the possibility of giving up Michonne if he wasn't thinking of giving her up? I agree with you that he doesn't want to and he probably won't, but disagree with you that the option was completely closed. Especially after having left that guy get eatin on the side of the road.

Therein lies the distinction. The guy on the road was a stranger. Michonne is one of the group as based on Carl's comment at the end of the Morgan episode.

 

[Falvlun]

Therein lies the distinction. The guy on the road was a stranger. Michonne is one of the group as based on Carl's comment at the end of the Morgan episode.

Speaking of the stranger on the road, I know you gotta be able to trust and protect the people in your group, but if they had accepted some of the people that had crossed their paths on the way, starting with the boy at the farm (whom they tortured and killed instead of making an ally), the group that Carl found in the prison, and the guy on the road, they might be in a stronger position now.

 

[freethinker44]

Rick...is...considering giving up Michonne. He told the group they were going to war only to scare them into accepting the reality that they may have to give up Michonne. He doesn't trust the Governor but he is definately entertaining the possibility that it may just be the answer to their problem. However, I'd be shocked if he did give her up.

He isn't planning on giving her up. He already made the decision to go to fight the governor, he was just gauging Hirchels reaction to make sure he made the right decision by not giving her up, and Hirchel just confirmed Rick's thoughts. The dialogue between Rick and Hirchel was a way for the writers to go into Rick's mind and see the reasoning behind him deciding to go to war instead of giving up Michonne. Hirchel was acting as his conscience for the audience.

I stand corrected. He is going to give her up.

WTF, Rick!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I didn't really care for today's episode, don't know why.

 

[Quiddity]

What a waste. Merle could have been of use and he just couldn't forgive himself for what all he had done.

 

[Revoltingest]

What a waste. Merle could have been of use and he just couldn't forgive himself for what all he had done.

I didn't see it as being unable to forgive himself, but rather that he decided to take out the Governor & his minions.
He picked his side. He took action against his enemy. And he took out a bunch before buying the farm.
And to Michonne: Do not ever trust Rick again. Watch your back.