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The war for freedom of the press versus the current regime

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Newspapers and magazines are declining in importance...
So are the network and "cable" news channels.
Social media, particularly Twitter and similar services, will likely be the media that will be used to influence the next elections
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Social media, particularly Twitter and similar services, will likely be the media that will be used to influence the next elections

With the dismal consequences of this last election, I don't think so. There remains too many people who demand to know the facts, not 'alternative' facts, and a press that is ready to 'bring it on'.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
With the dismal consequences of this last election, I don't think so. There remains too many people who demand to know the facts, not 'alternative' facts, and a press that is ready to 'bring it on'.
there are many kinds of social media posts, many of which provide live links to events as they happen; while mainstream media will focus on dramatic and heavily edited events, social media will provide live links to the other things going on, such as the much larger peaceful rallies instead of the much more limited events where violence occurs. yes there will be lots of opinion, but there will be lots of facts as well
 

esmith

Veteran Member
oh poor little left wing media sites, they got their nose out of joint.
the more the left cries the more I say "it's our turn now".
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Newspapers are the main reliable sources of information, because they are always on record. Other news services rely upon them and repeat their reports. Newspapers. Subscribe if you like free speech.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There used to be a time when Republicans/conservatives actually were worried about media suppression and fascism, but somewhere along the line the Trump supporters grew to support the likes of Putin, and they don't seem too worried about the freedom that the media in general needs to do it's work.

They certainly are no where near being conservatives as they're willing to give free reign to Trump dictating what he's unilaterally going to do to states and local communities, also stating that we really don't need a balanced budget. These I call "pseudo-conservatives"-- talk the talk but not walk the walk-- hypocrisy at its "finest".
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Newspapers are the main reliable sources of information, because they are always on record. Other news services rely upon them and repeat their reports. Newspapers. Subscribe if you like free speech.

This is a fantastic bit of actionable advice! Do you have any opinions about which newspapers are doing the highest quality journalism these days?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
OMG... the press doing its job? What a revolutionary and bold concept. Wow, just WoW! :rolleyes:

This might sound like a good idea to many, to work in concert to bring down Trump, but I find the idea more than a bit chilling.

So, if I read this proposal of the Guardian's right, they are tossing objectivity out the window in order to force a political outcome. That makes them a political party and as such might find themselves governed by different sets of rules. Likewise, I can't see Elizabeth May taking this plan very well.

Now that I think of it, Russia supposedly meddled in the internal affairs of the US during the election and that was NOT OK. Then, after a stunning election result, an English firm and others affiliated to it all over the world are going to seek to oust the legitimately elected Administration in the US, but that IS OK. Seriously?

This sound far more like Orwell's 1984 than anything Trump has come up with.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Newspapers are the main reliable sources of information, because they are always on record. Other news services rely upon them and repeat their reports. Newspapers. Subscribe if you like free speech.
And yet, the last I heard, is that newspaper subscriptions are on a steady decline
 

habiru

Active Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Tell me, @sunrise123 did you actually read the entire article you linked to above?
His tip-off should've been the site....Townhall.

If an alien had monitored RF posts & NPR, he'd conclude that Hitler has taken over the country in a Russian
coup, disbanded the press, imprisoned all the Muslims, & bought a slave harem to keep in the White House.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is destroying the ability of many to distinguish between imagination & reality.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The current regime in power wants to destroy freedom of the press just like putin did in Russia. We will win the war against putin and his American stooge, donny.

I didn't think they ever had freedom of the press in Russia, so how could Putin have destroyed something that never existed in the first place?

That aside, I don't think that has anything to do with Trump's relationship with the US media. The same First Amendment which allows freedom of the press also allows Trump and Bannon to say "shut up." Simply arguing with or criticizing the press does not in any way inhibit or hinder freedom of the press.

Of course, I sometimes wonder just how "free" American media truly are, especially when I see the same media outlets all covering the same stories, while conspicuously ignoring others, as cited by groups such as Project Censored - The News that Didn't Make the News and Why.

At least when it comes to the mainstream media in the US, I don't think they can sit there and play innocent, as if they have nothing to do with shaping public opinion and influencing politics.

I also find the media's position somewhat hypocritical, at least from the point of view of a reader/subscriber. As an example, my local paper used to allow readers to comment on each article that appeared on their website. At some point, they decided to stop allowing comments for some stories, such as local crime stories. Apparently some of the comments were more than they could handle. They also switched it so that people could not set up anonymous accounts anymore; they made it so that anyone who wanted to comment had to do so via a Facebook account.

For an industry which has built itself upon "anonymous sources," their resistance to anonymity among their commenters is quite telling.

Essentially, the way the mainstream media present themselves (which falls in line with standard celebrity egotism) is that they believe that they are "special." That their words and viewpoints are more important than that of the "great unwashed." I remember seeing a clip with Bill Maher scolding his audience for speaking up during one of his shows. He said something to the effect that "you are the audience, you have to listen. We are the ones who get to speak, not you." I suppose this may be the result of living a life where you're surrounded by sycophants and others who give undying adulation, without ever a hint of criticism. Once they're removed from those insular circles and find that they are being criticized, they suddenly have a meltdown - just like a pampered movie star throwing a tantrum.

Of course, I'm not saying that Trump is any different. Trump is a celebrity, too. Trump is like a reflection of the media. Those in the mainstream media look at Trump and realize that that's how the American people truly see them.

It reminds me of a line from the movie Nixon, while Nixon is looking at the portrait of President Kennedy: "When they look at you, they see what they want to be. When they look at me, they see what they are."
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Can you actually prove that?
On a web site how should I go about proving it. They are newspapers, so there are copies of what they report. If they make a mistake they are expected to print a correction. People actually pay money for their news, too.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
On a web site how should I go about proving it. They are newspapers, so there are copies of what they report. If they make a mistake they are expected to print a correction. People actually pay money for their news, too.

I would be interested in an actual study that tries to examine your hypothesis with something a bit more creditable than personal opinion. It is a good question, but I don't think it as simple to answer as you think.

Btw, the newspaper where I use to live would post the same stories that were in their paper on their website and also had an online archive of those stories. Simply because someone gets their news from a website does not necessarily mean they are getting a lesser quality of news.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I would be interested in an actual study that tries to examine your hypothesis with something a bit more creditable than personal opinion. It is a good question, but I don't think it as simple to answer as you think.
I cannot direct you to that, but it may exist. Also it may cost some $$ to find out unless you have access to research data.

Btw, the newspaper where I use to live would post the same stories that were in their paper on their website and also had an online archive of those stories. Simply because someone gets their news from a website does not necessarily mean they are getting a lesser quality of news.
What I am saying is to support newspapers, not that you can only get quality news from them. I mean support them with a subscription, to keep journalists working; because journalists are trained to check facts and investigate information.
 
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