The weight of the nation who is to blame?

[Riders]

I've been watching episodes of The Weight Of The Nation an HBO documentary on obesity in America through Amazon Prime.

The health experts who explain obesity are full of BS. There is one episode on obesity in poor neighborhoods.

They say that there are less fresh vegetables and fruit available to poor neighborhoods because their are less grocery stores.

They say that there are more obese people in poor neighborhoods. They say that there are mostly convenience stores that sell food and fast food places . In their words one hundred percent of every single solitary food item is a high fat high caloric junk food including the subway restaurants.(Coughing I've lost almost hundred pounds and ate Subway everyday before I went to the hospital lost 50 pounds).

They say because the fast food places are cheap they have to buy there and because fast-food places advertise to them they have no choice but to overeat .They have to binge on their fat big Macs at Mcdonald's and have no choice but to .to be continued

 

[Riders]

They are 500 pounds because the 500 pound people on their said the fast food places including all of them forced them to be fat . The health experts agreed.

Oh really? Well this is the fast food chains fault? So Ronald Mcdonald physically forced these people. into Mcdonald's held them at gun point and forced big Macs down their throats!

The managers and business owners must behind its too. I say we get the police out there and lock up all the fast food professionals for kidnap and assault with a deadly big Mac!

First place all our convenient stores have produce . The fact that a 3rd of those people are healthy and thin should tell you something.


Mcdonald's most of the fast food places they show have healthy options.They can choose salads Mcdonald's has a grilled chicken breast sandwhuch I've eaten before. They also have other healthy options.

You also have the option of eating a small kids meal instead of double quarter pounder.

They said on the show its cheap a fat person can get a 2 dollar burger when they go.

I've seen those folks my 600 pound life in poor neighborhoods go out to eat at Mcdonald's they don't eat cheap. They are on welfare and they spend 15 bucks on double quarter ponder with fries cokes deserts with it.

So that's bull.

No one forces them to eat they choose it. They could order a kids meal and make it last all day .They don't have to eat 3 big Macs that's ridiculous .That's not the fast food places responsibility its theirs.


And hey they also named Jason's Deli and Subway as having nothing but junk.I Beg YOUR PARDON?

I eat at those places they have a big ton of healthy food with fresh vegetables to choose from that's cocking BS.


Put the blame where it belongs.

That 500 pound man on their said the fast-food places advertise to him and he has to eat it because they shouldn't be advertising.

Darling do we live in America?This is a free country they have the right to advertise don't watch it!

 

[Quintessence]

Not a big believer in environmental influences on biological organisms, huh?

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

T'Rump !

 

[Flankerl]

Stop eating so much and move.

Problem solved.

 

[PureX]

Commercial advertising is the root cause of modern society's moral and ethical collapse. It's the mass proselytization of selfishness, emotionalism, gluttony, and greed, produced by an economic system intent on exploiting all aspects of society for the sole benefit of the capital investor. In a capitalist economy, food is not produced for the nutritional well-being of the population. It's produced singularly and solely for the purpose of maximizing the profit returned on the capital invested in it's production.

We don't produce food to eat, we produce food to make money.

 

[Riders]

Commercial advertising is the root cause of modern society's moral and ethical collapse. It's the mass proselytization of selfishness, emotionalism, gluttony, and greed, produced by an economic system intent on exploiting all aspects of society for the sole benefit of the capital investor. In a capitalist economy, food is not produced for the nutritional well-being of the population. It's produced singularly and solely for the

purpose of maximizing the profit returned on the capital invested in it's production.

We don't produce food to eat, we produce food to make money.

And were the ones making the choice to eat and over eat on it . We choose the advertising so it is our fault.The person who is 500 pounds makes the choice to be that way.

I am speaking about me too. I use to weigh 342.When I went to Mcdonald's I got the double quarter pounder with cheese and 6 piece nugget and giant coke with desert.

See we choose to have them advertise to us were doing it. If there was not a demand for it they wouldn't advertise it.

 

[Riders]

Not a big believer in environmental influences on biological organisms, huh?

I am a big believer in environmental influences.Who controls our environment, apes? We do. We choose our environment and create it ourselves according to our wants and demand.

We big people demand to have our drug laden high fat junk meats. If there was not a demand for it the advertising would not be there.

If we were wanting and demanding vegitables instead

We would have advertising for vegetables.

 

[Riders]

Here's another point for quintessence and PureX.Have you considered that the environment is not what they were saying it is.

It was stated the environment for poor communities was that there was no healthy fresh vegittables or good foods for the poor because 100 percent of all foods from these places are junk and that's all they get.

That is actually a lie. They showed Subway on that special stated them as having nothing but junk.

Excuse me? I've been losing weight with Subway . Subway has tons of vegetables and a healthy menu. I choose a low fat meat like chicken breast or lowfat roast beef on whole wheat and put onions and green peppers on it.

Even Mcdonald's has healthy options these days. They have options but they are not choosing them.

Here's a question for you: If two thirds of them are obese ,why are one third thin and skinny?

 

[PureX]

And were the ones making the choice to eat and over eat on it we choose the advertising so it is our fault.The person who is 500 pounds makes the choice to be that way.

In speaking about me too. I use to weigh 342.When I went to Mcdonald's I got the double quarter pounder with cheese and 6 piece nugget and giant coke with desert.

See we choose to have them advertise to us were doing it. If there want a demand for it they wouldn't advertise it.

I was an active alcoholic for 20 years. I did not "choose to become" addicted to alcohol. It happened because I didn't know it was happening until it was too late, and by then I couldn't stop myself.

Your theory presupposes that such a thing can never happen to anyone because it presupposes that everyone has the power to control their own behavior. But clearly this is not true. Many millions of people die every year from various forms of addiction, and none of them chose to live, and die, in such a lonely, hopeless, humiliating, desperate and painful way. It happened to them the same way it happened to me. They made choices without understanding the consequences until it was too late, and then they were trapped in a behavior pattern that they couldn't escape, as it slowly destroyed their lives, their bodies, and their souls.

I understand your ignorance on this subject. Addiction is a very difficult phenomena for a lot of people to understand, especially the addicts, themselves. But you are wrong in your presumption that we all have the ability to choose our own destiny. And if you persist on blaming people for their weaknesses, as you are doing, your arrogance will end up biting you in the a$$ in the end. As such arrogance always does.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If you eat more than you burn off, you put on weight.

However American portions are vast compared to most countries. Though British and German portions seem to be getting larger.

I am loosing a bit of weight at the moment as my weight was contributing to my back problems.
I was 210 lb I am now 196 lb I will stop when I am under 190. By Christmas.
All I have done is cut out almost all snacks... I still eat the same meals.

I was 190lb from when I was 21 up until 65 with out bothering at all about what I ate.
The 20 lb was more about less activity and a slower metabolism when I retired, but eating the same.

 

[Riders]

I was an active alcoholic for 20 years. I did not "choose to become" addicted to alcohol. It happened because I didn't know it was happening until it was too late, and by then I couldn't stop myself.

Your theory presupposes that such a thing can never happen to anyone because it presupposes that everyone has the power to control their own behavior. But clearly this is not true. Many millions of people die every year from various forms of addiction, and none of them chose to live, and die, in such a lonely, hopeless, humiliating, desperate and painful way. It happened to them the same way it happened to me. They made choices without understanding the consequences until it was too late, and then they were trapped in a behavior pattern that they couldn't escape, as it slowly destroyed their lives, their bodies, and their souls.

I understand your ignorance on this subject. Addiction is a very difficult phenomena for a lot of people to understand, especially the addicts, themselves. But you are wrong in your presumption that we all have the ability to choose our own destiny. And if you persist on blaming people for their weaknesses, as you are doing, your arrogance will end up biting you in the a$$ in the end. As such arrogance always does.

Apparently you don't know who you are talking too because you are the one who is ignorant.


I was raised up in the program of Alcoholics Anonymous my whole life by my Mother whom had 34 years of sobriety in AA.

I am also a recovering porn and sex addict and I have 7 months of recovery.

Statistics show that only 10 percent get recovery through self help. But statistics also show the more work you put into your program the more your chances improve.

I was verbally abused with sex meaning my Mom talked inappropriatly to me about sex told me sick graphic rape stories about men till I was in my 20s. She was molested by her dad and raped by her second husband.

Then I was molested in a teen psych ward in the 8o's while I was restrained to a bed and wheel chair for 4 months by a staff member named Grady.i was 15 he was 31 .

They forced me to live in psych wards for years because that's how the psych profession handled bipolar folks like me who were suicidal back then.


Grady use to help me get dressed in the mornings called me baby brushed my hair for me picked me up put me in my chair in the mornings. It was sick and he gave me thorazine to make me pass out at night but I knew what he was doing. He was constantly touching me.

Rest assured you believe Ill be a sl u t for the rest of my life. But I believe in Zen meditation and a higher power. My 12 steps teach me that if I believe on a higher power that he will restore me to sanity. I don't have to be a slave to men or food or porn.

Its my decision. AA says if I want to know whose responsible for my problems I need to look in the mirror. I have to choose to get help and that's on everyone.

 

[Riders]

I go to sex addicts anonymous meetings on the phone. The face to face meetings are mostly men so I prefer phone meetings.

I've also been going to Over Eaters Anonymous for my over eating on the phone as well but don't have a sponsor yet.

I have lost down to 251 from 342 originally. Part of it is because of my surgery and sickness being in this old folks home.

But 50 pounds of it I lost on my own before I got my surgery.

The 12 step programs teach me I am powerless over my addictions but when I admit that and turn my will over to a higher power I get the power back .The higher power changes my life.

I have the choice to choose.I am also a Zen Buddhist and I believe in Dharma and Zen and myself.I can change its my choice none else's.

Mcdonald's all those fast food places I don't care how much they advertise they don't have power over me.

 

[PureX]

Apparently you don't know who you are talking too because you are the one who is ignorant.


I was raised up in the program of Alcoholics Anonymous my whole life by my Mother whom had 34 years of sobriety in AA.

I am also a recovering porn and sex addict and I have 7 months of recovery.

Statistics show that only 10 percent get recovery through self help. But statistics also show the more work you put into your program the more your chances improve.

I was verbally abused with sex meaning my Mom talked inappropriatly to me about sex told me sick graphic rape stories about men till I was in my 20s. She was molested by her dad and raped by her second husband.

Then I was molested in a teen psych ward in the 8o's while I was restrained to a bed and wheel chair for 4 months by a staff member named Grady.i was 15 he was 31 .

They forced me to live in psych wards for years because that's how the psych profession handled bipolar folks like me who were suicidal back then.


Grady use to help me get dressed in the mornings called me baby brushed my hair for me picked me up put me in my chair in the mornings. It was sick and he gave me thorazine to make me pass out at night but I knew what he was doing. He was constantly touching me.

Rest assured you believe Ill be a sl u t for the rest of my life. But I believe in Zen meditation and a higher power. My 12 steps teach me that if I believe on a higher power that he will restore me to sanity. I don't have to be a slave to men or food or porn.

Its my decision. AA says if I want to know whose responsible for my problems I need to look in the mirror. I have to choose to get help and that's on everyone.

Then you should understand that self-will is of little use in recovering from addictive behaviors.

The definition of an addiction is that one has lost the ability to control their own behavior. The first of the 12 steps of recovery is to admit that one is an addict and has lost that control. The process of recovery begins with surrendering the idea of recovering through self-will, and then turning oneself over to the control of the program. Allowing the "higher power" of the program and the collective wisdom of other recovered addicts to do for us what we can no longer do for ourselves.

 

[Quintessence]

I am a big believer in environmental influences.Who controls our environment, apes? We do. We choose our environment and create it ourselves according to our wants and demand.

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Believing that humans control and choose their environment so extensively is little different than denying its influence.

Alas, I shall take my leave. Your rant was probably better suited for a personal blog, and given I haven't (and can't) watch whatever documentary you're referring to, I'm not in any position to evaluate it anyway.

 

[Riders]

Then you should understand that self-will is of little use in recovering from addictive behaviors.

The definition of an addiction is that one has lost the ability to control their own behavior. The first of the 12 steps of recovery is to admit that one is an addict and has lost that control. The process of recovery begins with surrendering the idea of recovering through self-will, and then turning oneself over to the control of the program. Allowing the "higher power" of the program and the collective wisdom of other recovered addicts to do for us what we can no longer do for ourselves.

I already said that however we still have a choice.we have the choice to get help or not. When we surrender to our own personal higher power there is no one higher power of the group:Then the higher power gives us the control.

So after all is said and does I still have a choice. I can choose to get help or not. I can choose not to allow those commercials and advertising affect me.

 

[PureX]

[QUOTE="Riders, post: 5396743, member: 58299"So after all is said and does I still have a choice. I can choose to get help or not. I can choose not to allow those commercials and advertising affect me.[/QUOTE]You have to know that they are effecting you. You have to know the effect is causing you to self-harm. You have to know that there is help available. And you have to believe that the help will help you.

And until all these conditions apply to a person, they do NOT have a choice, because they don't know that there is an option. Which is exactly why there are still so many people suffering from their self-harming behaviors.

 

[Riders]

They all have a choice from the beginning. AA doesn't teach what you said.AA teaches responsiblity, needing a higher power doesn't mean your not responsible.

Untill they claim responsibility for their obesity the y will never lose weight. So it doesn't help to thave tv shows blaming McDonald's.

I've ordered the grilled chicken sandwich at McDonald's it's good. They can choose healthy options there or go to Subway or Jason's Deli or Boston Market. All of those have several healthy options.

FYI not everyone who loses does it in OA.Some people go to Weight Watchers.My sister has lost 80 pounds kept it off over 22 years now.

She started out by walking and nothing else and built up from there.Making small changes in the beginning helps.

If they'd get up and start moving it would be a start.

I'm reminding myself of that walking 15 minutes a day now at my old folks home.

I'm trying to get busy walk and move it's good.So a higher power isn't required for everyone.