The Western/Faustian World Has Made A Pact With The Devil/Satan!

[Elihoenai]

The Amish Knows The Western/Faustian World Has Made A Pact With The Devil/Satan. They call anything Faustian/Western English. I live in the Heart of the English, in London England. This is Ordained by Elohim/God.


Amish Abduction - Trailer

 

[shunyadragon]

Have you seen the movie The Quiet Ones? Are you another member on these that cannot learn from movies? Elohim/God teaches me lessons on all media platforms.

The Oxford Professor in the movie is exactly like you, Totally Convinced that there is nothing beyond Nature. This Total Conviction is what got him Killed.

Learn from movies rarely they are for entertainment.

There is nothing in this movie that is worthwhile as fer as any meaningful lesson.

This source addresses the unrealistic supernatural of the nature of this. The death of what Oxford professor?

They did: The group concocted a detailed account of the life of Philip Aylesford, complete with a birth date and location, marriage and love affair and even his own death in 1654.

The Philip Experiment inspiration for The Quiet Ones

The Philip Experiment, the inspiration behind movies like The Quiet Ones

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\The group claimed he eventually manifested physical abilities and managed to move a table and flicker the lights in the room on command, for which they had no scientific explanation. However, they were never able to see a physical manifestation of Philip, which led to many believing that it was all just an elaborate hoax. Other debates suggest that the group’s frequent séance sessions allowed them to actually contact the spirit world, and the supernatural entity they encountered simply latched onto the idea of “Philip” and impersonated him. After these events, Dr. Owen continued to test his theory by conducting similar experiments, and the Philip Experiment would later inspire other experiments as well.

 

[Balthazzar]

1 John 2:16

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


In the World the Wife also has a Side Dish.


Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Official Trailer - Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman Movie HD

Eyes Wide Shut Trailer HD

We close them quite naturally. Then again, there comes a time when closing them isn't good enough anymore. Hedonists have a way of indulging in pleasures, sadists have a way of countering, and masochists are never satisfied with anything. The rest of us? We're in the cross fires and do our best to ride the storms out. I think it's called endurance, but how would I know?

 

[Elihoenai]

Learn from movies rarely they are for entertainment.

There is nothing in this movie that is worthwhile as fer as any meaningful lesson.

This source addresses the unrealistic supernatural of the nature of this. The death of what Oxford professor?

They did: The group concocted a detailed account of the life of Philip Aylesford, complete with a birth date and location, marriage and love affair and even his own death in 1654.

The Philip Experiment inspiration for The Quiet Ones

The Philip Experiment, the inspiration behind movies like The Quiet Ones

www.tribute.ca

\The group claimed he eventually manifested physical abilities and managed to move a table and flicker the lights in the room on command, for which they had no scientific explanation. However, they were never able to see a physical manifestation of Philip, which led to many believing that it was all just an elaborate hoax. Other debates suggest that the group’s frequent séance sessions allowed them to actually contact the spirit world, and the supernatural entity they encountered simply latched onto the idea of “Philip” and impersonated him. After these events, Dr. Owen continued to test his theory by conducting similar experiments, and the Philip Experiment would later inspire other experiments as well.

Yes, I checked that it's not an accurate portrayal of what really happened. That's not the point. I can see lessons in everything. Christian Monks have a different Consciousness compared to Normal people like yourself.

 

[shunyadragon]

Yes, I checked that it's not an accurate portrayal of what really happened. That's not the point. I can see lessons in everything. Christian Monks have a different Consciousness compared to Normal people like yourself.

I can see lessons in many things. Aa far as the movie 'The Quiet Ones" all I see is a loosely made fictional version of real events.

 

[Elihoenai]

We close them quite naturally. Then again, there comes a time when closing them isn't good enough anymore. Hedonists have a way of indulging in pleasures, sadists have a way of countering, and masochists are never satisfied with anything. The rest of us? We're in the cross fires and do our best to ride the storms out. I think it's called endurance, but how would I know?

Ephesians 5:11-12

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


You kind of listed a scale of those that Cherish Pleasures of the Flesh. In the Christendom they are Half-Hearted in the Flesh Compared to Fully Committed Sadists, although in Christendom not doubt Christians are secretly practicing Extreme Fleshly Activities.

Totally Devoted Inverted Cross Satanist Practitioners are Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley. Christian Gnostics are on the Absolute Opposite Spectrum to the Totally Devoted Inverted Cross Satanist Practitioners.

 

[Balthazzar]

Ephesians 5:11-12

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


You kind of listed a scale of those that Cherish Pleasures of the Flesh. In the Christendom they are Half-Hearted in the Flesh Compared to Fully Committed Sadists, although in Christendom not doubt Christians are secretly practicing Extreme Fleshly Activities.

Totally Devoted Inverted Cross Satanist Practitioners are Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley. Christian Gnostics are on the Absolute Opposite Spectrum to the Totally Devoted Inverted Cross Satanist Practitioners.

Unfruitful is unfruitful, fruitful is fruitful, people are people, and that's how it goes. The choices we make, the things we approve of, and the things we don't approve of vary from person to person. Benefit to me may not be a benefit to you, and vice versa. So, as a larger community we are sometimes in cooperation and other times we are not. That's life. You'd be hard pressed to oust yourself from those you deem unfit for fellowship and vice versa, particularly in America. With that stated, I'll stick to that which I find beneficial, try to stay away from that I don't and leave the parts I don't know about to remain in the unknown until I have no choice but to acknowledge them. You bring up Christendom as if you expect Christians to not be human, having human nature as if it's something to be ashamed of. Personal values derive from many sources and for many reasons, many of which remain unknown to us. As long as I'm true to me, I'll remain in truth.

 

[Elihoenai]

Unfruitful is unfruitful, fruitful is fruitful, people are people, and that's how it goes. The choices we make, the things we approve of, and the things we don't approve of vary from person to person. Benefit to me may not be a benefit to you, and vice versa. So, as a larger community we are sometimes in cooperation and other times we are not. That's life. You'd be hard pressed to oust yourself from those you deem unfit for fellowship and vice versa, particularly in America. With that stated, I'll stick to that which I find beneficial, try to stay away from that I don't and leave the parts I don't know about to remain in the unknown until I have no choice but to acknowledge them. You bring up Christendom as if you expect Christians to not be human, having human nature as if it's something to be ashamed of. Personal values derive from many sources and for many reasons, many of which remain unknown to us. As long as I'm true to me, I'll remain in truth.

Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Romans 3:4

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



Christians in Christendom have never learnt the Terrible Filthy Shame of what you call Human Nature. There is only Lies in Human Nature that is Void of the Truth. Human Nature is Satanism, the Total Rebellion Against Elohim/God Inherited from Adam.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ With Christian Gnosticism Utterly Destroys Human Nature. Elohim/God Sent Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ to show The Way to Utterly Destroy the Sin Human Nature.

Christianity of Christendom, that is Contrary to Christian Gnosticism, Cherishes and Protects the Sin Human Nature.

 

[Balthazzar]

Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Romans 3:4

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



Christians in Christendom have never learnt the Terrible Filthy Shame of what you call Human Nature. There is only Lies in Human Nature that is Void of the Truth. Human Nature is Satanism, the Total Rebellion Against Elohim/God Inherited from Adam.

Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ With Christian Gnosticism Utterly Destroys Human Nature. Elohim/God Sent Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ to show The Way to Utterly Destroy the Sin Human Nature.

Christianity of Christendom, that is Contrary to Christian Gnosticism, Cherishes and Protects the Sin Human Nature.

This is what I know. If I'm true to me I'm honoring in spirit and truth. If I think about what I do, I make better decisions than when I don't. Consequence, past experience, the examples of others, etc all play a part in my truth and my choices. I am human. I like me this way. I'm not better than others, although there are times when I place myself above others. The words in the book may make sense to you, and I am sure God's ways are not my own. I'm not God. I'm not trying to be God. I'm simply being true to me and who I am individually.

Would you expect more of me? I do the best I'm able or know how to do according to my truth.

Utterly destroy human nature? I've never read that, nor do I recall the book implying this. I do remember Genesis stating that man had become like one of us, which seemed to imply "God like", knowing both good and evil. I'm not sure where you get your views from, but they don't appear to be anything of what I understand Gnosticism to be. Secret knowledge? Maybe that's what you're referring to. Maybe it's about dissatisfaction with how life is. We're like kids sometimes, ignorant and stubborn, unlearned and resentful. By the way, life sucks sometimes but what mostly sucks is my attitude about life. Not always, but "sometimes". If I could learn to be more accepting of the difficulty being more apt to learn from it, I'd probably be a happier man. I'm still learning.

Maybe one day, eh?

 

[Elihoenai]

This is what I know. If I'm true to me I'm honoring in spirit and truth. If I think about what I do, I make better decisions than when I don't. Consequence, past experience, the examples of others, etc all play a part in my truth and my choices. I am human. I like me this way. I'm not better than others, although there are times when I place myself above others. The words in the book may make sense to you, and I am sure God's ways are not my own. I'm not God. I'm not trying to be God. I'm simply being true to me and who I am individually.

Would you expect more of me? I do the best I'm able or know how to do according to my truth.

Utterly destroy human nature? I've never read that, nor do I recall the book implying this. I do remember Genesis stating that man had become like one of us, which seemed to imply "God like", knowing both good and evil. I'm not sure where you get your views from, but they don't appear to be anything of what I understand Gnosticism to be. Secret knowledge? Maybe that's what you're referring to. Maybe it's about dissatisfaction with how life is. We're like kids sometimes, ignorant and stubborn, unlearned and resentful. By the way, life sucks sometimes but what mostly sucks is my attitude about life. Not always, but "sometimes". If I could learn to be more accepting of the difficulty being more apt to learn from it, I'd probably be a happier man. I'm still learning.

Maybe one day, eh?

Matthew 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.


Apart from a Few hundred/thousand Elect, what you describe is what every person on the planet is Really Thinking and Doing. Being "True To Me" means that you will Never be Saved. "True to Me" is a Sinner. The Real Yeshua/Jesus Saves His People From Their Sins.


Yes, that's correct, Christian Gnosticism is Esoteric Knowledge Total Opposite of Exoteric Roman Catholicism.


Gnosticism, the Enduring Heresy

 

[Balthazzar]

Matthew 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.


Apart from a Few hundred/thousand Elect, what you describe is what every person on the planet is Really Thinking and Doing. Being "True To Me" means that you will Never be Saved. "True to Me" is a Sinner. The Real Yeshua/Jesus Saves His People From Their Sins.


Yes, that's correct, Christian Gnosticism is Esoteric Knowledge Total Opposite of Exoteric Roman Catholicism.


Gnosticism, the Enduring Heresy

No one ever suggested that hitting the mark would be easy, but it's worth aiming rightly to be certain. Truth is, there's far too much erroneous thinking in life for it to be easy, so without me, there is no mark for me to be hitting. I wrote a song about it.


The question: To define life mood and expression based on how life has treated you, what would it look like in its most accurate form?


“Still the Life For Me”


They never said it would be easy.

I was taught contrary to that way ...

A life of trial and tribulation awaited me

with principalities to be set against.


I knew the life to be walked into

when asked if I had counted the cost.

Into a death I sank beneath the water

to rise again from the grave.


They never said it would be easy

and I never said I wasn't free

They never said they never struggled

and I wonder what's to become of me.


It's only by grace, I hear

It's only by faith, I hear

It's only by love, I hear

They tell me not to fear (but it ain't easy).


I've been barely hanging on,

but I'll keep moving on.

Sometimes I'm feeling strong,

and sometimes I feel alone.


I sometimes wonder if Gods still with me.

I sometimes wonder what's yet to be.

I sometimes wonder if I'll make it through

and the truth is I don't know.


So, It's only by grace, I fear

It's only by faith, I fear

It's only by love, I hear

and it ain't easy.


Life keeps a grip on me

through the trial and suffering.

My doubts could be the end of me,

but I'll keep moving on.


I've been living hard but strong.

I've been feeling that its been too long,

and it dawns on me

that I'm learning to be a better man.


There's much that works against me.

Life has never been easy,

and they say it's getting worse,

so I wonder ...


It's only by grace, I hear

It's only by faith, I fear

It's only through love, I hear

for a narrow save by grace.


Comfort given through faith

Honor in truth I'm told

But love wanes in many my peer

and life hasn't been easy.


It's not the life I chose for me.

But it's still the one I chose.

It's not the life I wanted

but it may be the one I need …


but it ain't easy.

 

[John D. Brey]

The Life of Christian Gnostic Is Destruction of the Flesh for Life in the Spirit. The Evidence of this Transformation is Pleasure in Destroying the Sin/Flesh Body for the Spiritual Body. Elohim/God Wants His Servants to have Pleasure in Him according to the Spirit.

I agree with most of what you've said in this thread. Nevertheless, I see the flesh as the wife of the spirit. I see the "old man" as the wife of the "new man." The spirit must love and nourish the flesh guiding it as a husband guides a wife; through love not hostility. I think of the prophet Hosea and his wife as an apt metaphor for the spirit's marriage to the flesh. We shouldn't pile Gomer (no pun intended) full of rules and their penalties but love and guide her to repentance.

Jesus said to love one's enemy. Jesus said to love one's neighbor. Jesus said to love one's brother. The flesh is all of these. When the flesh's desire turns from whoredom with the world, to love of the spirit, a happy and fruitful marriage results.



John

 

[Balthazzar]

I agree with most of what you've said in this thread. Nevertheless, I see the flesh as the wife of the spirit. I see the "old man" as the wife of the "new man." The spirit must love and nourish the flesh guiding it as a husband guides a wife; through love not hostility. I think of the prophet Hosea and his wife as an apt metaphor for the spirit's marriage to the flesh. We shouldn't pile Gomer (no pun intended) full of rules and their penalties but love and guide her to repentance.

Jesus said to love one's enemy. Jesus said to love one's neighbor. Jesus said to love one's brother. The flesh is all of these. When the flesh's desire turns from whoredom with the world, to love of the spirit, a happy and fruitful marriage results.



John

So you suggest the flesh is the wife and the husband's duty is to guide the wife towards repentance, eh? Lucifer once thought very highly of self also. Jesus was punished for is lowly status, yet his popularity and words seemed to have pissed off the wrong people. Or was it something else that made them so angry? I wonder ...

To me the flesh is my way of experiencing life. The good, the bad, the ugly, the ailments, the ability, the beauty, pain, pleasure, etc. all part of my experience. My flesh is not a wife, it's a vessel, a temple, a vehicle, a machine that I live in as a spirit (the living manifestation of my soul). It's not a wife, though and I'm not the best guide. However, everything else in life as obstacles or as jagged and rocky shorelines or as safer havens and things of useful benefit play a synergistic role. Truth has become the only light I know how to truthfully honor, whether in hatred, fear, or in love.

What's true for me isn't always true for everyone else.

 

[John D. Brey]

My flesh is not a wife, it's a vessel, a temple, a vehicle, a machine that I live in as a spirit (the living manifestation of my soul).

That's a pretty good description of a wife. The Talmud, Yoma 2a, says a man's wife means his home. And we're all housed in our father's wife until we're born.

According to Philo, masculinity is represented by invisible, immaterial, spirit, while femininity is manifest in and as temporal matter.



John

 

[Balthazzar]

That's a pretty good description of a wife. The Talmud, Yoma 2a, says a man's wife means his home. And we're all housed in our father's wife until we're born.

According to Philo, masculinity is represented by invisible, immaterial, spirit, while femininity is manifest in and as temporal matter.



John

I can't argue the first point. I've held similar positions to your last point. My point is we're not here to guide as husbands, but to allow ourselves to be guided by truth. Meeting in the middle isn't always easy to do.

 

[Elihoenai]

No one ever suggested that hitting the mark would be easy, but it's worth aiming rightly to be certain. Truth is, there's far too much erroneous thinking in life for it to be easy, so without me, there is no mark for me to be hitting. I wrote a song about it.


The question: To define life mood and expression based on how life has treated you, what would it look like in its most accurate form?


“Still the Life For Me”


They never said it would be easy.

I was taught contrary to that way ...

A life of trial and tribulation awaited me

with principalities to be set against.


I knew the life to be walked into

when asked if I had counted the cost.

Into a death I sank beneath the water

to rise again from the grave.


They never said it would be easy

and I never said I wasn't free

They never said they never struggled

and I wonder what's to become of me.


It's only by grace, I hear

It's only by faith, I hear

It's only by love, I hear

They tell me not to fear (but it ain't easy).


I've been barely hanging on,

but I'll keep moving on.

Sometimes I'm feeling strong,

and sometimes I feel alone.


I sometimes wonder if Gods still with me.

I sometimes wonder what's yet to be.

I sometimes wonder if I'll make it through

and the truth is I don't know.


So, It's only by grace, I fear

It's only by faith, I fear

It's only by love, I hear

and it ain't easy.


Life keeps a grip on me

through the trial and suffering.

My doubts could be the end of me,

but I'll keep moving on.


I've been living hard but strong.

I've been feeling that its been too long,

and it dawns on me

that I'm learning to be a better man.


There's much that works against me.

Life has never been easy,

and they say it's getting worse,

so I wonder ...


It's only by grace, I hear

It's only by faith, I fear

It's only through love, I hear

for a narrow save by grace.


Comfort given through faith

Honor in truth I'm told

But love wanes in many my peer

and life hasn't been easy.


It's not the life I chose for me.

But it's still the one I chose.

It's not the life I wanted

but it may be the one I need …


but it ain't easy.

John 20:25

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.


Having Doubts is Constructive that can lead to Salvation. Thomas would only Believe when he Saw Yeshua/Jesus for himself.

What is the "Me" ultimately Striving to Attain? Do you believe what you are Striving to Attain is Attainable? Given that this is not the life you chose, why are you living this life?

 

[Elihoenai]

I agree with most of what you've said in this thread. Nevertheless, I see the flesh as the wife of the spirit. I see the "old man" as the wife of the "new man." The spirit must love and nourish the flesh guiding it as a husband guides a wife; through love not hostility. I think of the prophet Hosea and his wife as an apt metaphor for the spirit's marriage to the flesh. We shouldn't pile Gomer (no pun intended) full of rules and their penalties but love and guide her to repentance.

Jesus said to love one's enemy. Jesus said to love one's neighbor. Jesus said to love one's brother. The flesh is all of these. When the flesh's desire turns from whoredom with the world, to love of the spirit, a happy and fruitful marriage results.



John

Romans 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Galatians 5:17

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


You know that I Am Christian Gnostic Dualist.

Given what you have written, how do you Interpret Romans 8:7 and Galatians 5:17?

 

[Balthazzar]

John 20:25

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.


Having Doubts is Constructive that can lead to Salvation. Thomas would only Believe when he Saw Yeshua/Jesus for himself.

What is the "Me" ultimately Striving to Attain? Do you believe what you are Striving to Attain is Attainable? Given that this is not the life you chose, why are you living this life?

My plans didn't play out the way I wanted or thought they would. Carrer paths, obstacles, diversions, etc, have made me somewhat obsolete in my own life, so although I knew I didn't know I would be denied my efforts to be what I aimed to be beyond what I am. A father, a son, a husband, a life I would consider worthy of my aim and effort to name a few, but ... That's part of what I knew I'd be walking into. I simply didn't know the depth of what would be denied to me. Being a Christian isn't easy, particularly an honest one. But, I hold on to truth like a kid and his blanket because at the moment it's the only guide I know I can count on. That includes all clergy, all family, all authorities, all friends, and all of everyone I've ever known. It's me and that spirit of guidance (an honest one) how I understand life and life events, and beyond that are simply others who share the journey I'm on. They're on their own journey, so I typically keep mostly to myself and allow them to breath enough to smell their own scent. Breathing room is more of a blessing than you may be capable of understanding.

I love this woman's voice

 

[John D. Brey]

Romans 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Galatians 5:17

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


You know that I Am Christian Gnostic Dualist.

Given what you have written, how do you Interpret Romans 8:7 and Galatians 5:17?

Marriage symbolizes the unity of a former duality. Traditional Gnosticism tends to demonize one side of the duality that otherwise gets unified in holy matrimony.




John

 

[Elihoenai]

My plans didn't play out the way I wanted or thought they would. Carrer paths, obstacles, diversions, etc, have made me somewhat obsolete in my own life, so although I knew I didn't know I would be denied my efforts to be what I aimed to be beyond what I am. A father, a son, a husband, a life I would consider worthy of my aim and effort to name a few, but ... That's part of what I knew I'd be walking into. I simply didn't know the depth of what would be denied to me. Being a Christian isn't easy, particularly an honest one. But, I hold on to truth like a kid and his blanket because at the moment it's the only guide I know I can count on. That includes all clergy, all family, all authorities, all friends, and all of everyone I've ever known. It's me and that spirit of guidance (an honest one) how I understand life and life events, and beyond that are simply others who share the journey I'm on. They're on their own journey, so I typically keep mostly to myself and allow them to breath enough to smell their own scent. Breathing room is more of a blessing than you may be capable of understanding.

I love this woman's voice

Are you saying what you Striving for was denied to you? Are you saying what you were Striving for was to be a Father, a Son and a Husband?

In your Avatar you affirm that you are Christian Evolutionist. What is a Christian Evolutionist?

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