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The Wicked.

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
Spiritually, though I know im on a journey, reading this in reference to an on going storm of mine from the heavens makes me feel wicked, as these verses are described to the wicked O-O


Job 20:13-27
"His bones are full of his youthful vigor, But it lies down with him in the dust. Though evil is sweet in his mouth And he hides it under his tongue, Though he desires it and will not let it go, But holds it in his mouth, Yet his food in his stomach is changed To the venom of cobras within him. He swallows riches, But will vomit them up; God will expel them from his belly. He sucks the poison of cobras; The viper's tongue slays him. He does not look at the streams, The rivers flowing with honey and curds
He returns what he has attained And cannot swallow it; As to the riches of his trading, He cannot even enjoy them, Therefore his prosperity does not endure. In the fullness of his plenty he will be cramped; The hand of everyone who suffers will come against him. When he fills his belly, God will send His fierce anger on him And will rain it on him while he is eating. He may flee from the iron weapon, But the bronze bow will pierce him. It is drawn forth and comes out of his back, Even the glittering point from his gall. Terrors come upon him,Complete darkness is held in reserve for his treasures, And unfanned fire will devour him; It will consume the survivor in his tent. The heavens will reveal his iniquity, And the earth will rise up against him. The increase of his house will depart; His possessions will flow away in the day of His anger"

Please tell me others of you can attest that you've been on this path. I need advice, for this is the current path I am on during this long lasting storm that won't cease. It's not as simple as just letting go, and yet if its more complicated, Im all ears. For me, my desire surely sits in the corners of my mouth, but its the evil, and the sin that lets me know I've attained that desire, and clearly, for me, thats the culprit. The evil and sin of the desire is nothing more than reassurance, and the reason why I eat crumbs when I can is because Im constantly thinking that God cannot condition me to have it without needing the associated sins and evils for reassurance. I don't believe god to be that.. understanding of our humanly ways.

Ill demonstrate, but obviously ill use a different example.
Let's say within your youth you suffered greatly because of your parents financial issues. Naturally, it more than likely became a desire for you to be financially secure. Over your teen years you fight for it, doing fabulous in school, getting into a University, and eventually obtaining a great career to which you financially can support yourself and a large family. You've obtained what you desired. Now, a storm comes along and shakes your world entirely. From the rain You learn of your sins and evil doing in the midst's of the days you dwell'ed upon that to which you clung to for so long. The waves knock you down as you learn you lost the wealth from whatever unforseen reason, lets say your business got sued to the ground for something you couldn't control. You chase the winds that tell you your wealth will be preserved and the law suit will work in your favor. Before the storms over, however, The evil and sin you've done is your reassurance that you still have that to which you've suffered for for so long, and fought for.

Theres two ways I can interpret this.
A)To overcome the desire entirely you have to lose it. You can't lose it if you don't have it. Thats scary to think about.
B) Your suffering counter balances your sins in the eyes of god, since by will it would have been all his doing. The ending results are unknown to me, but im praying its option B with a happy ending.

Option B is whats keeping the desire within my mouth. Go figure -.-
Im wondering if letting go is the ONLY way counter the sins and evil associated with desires, and the aftereffect i would imagine is the same for everyone. The truth about this though, is also scary for me O-O


Heres... the thing though, And this is where the old testament (jobs) leads to a messiah, how does Jesus, and taking a cross, play into it all. Thats what I fear too, because I don't want a cross to carry if it means someone else is going to pay the price. What happens after? Dam dude.. someone please explain from experience lol.. I am so dam close.. but yet so far away..

Need.. halp.. from an experienced christian who carrys a cross.. to which jesus has redeemed and freed.
 
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Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
Well then. I guess im going to continue to kick rocks into the sea, since for today, im surely resting upon the shores. OH GAWD A WAVES COMING... (runs to makeshift shelter).
 
What's up? It's a bit difficult to help unless your more clear what the problem is. Also it isn't clear what you mean by "I don't want a cross to carry if it means someone else is going to pay the price." Are you referring to Jesus and Atonement here? Be he legend or god, you taking up a cross can't hurt Jesus. Or are you worried about hurting someone else? You won't; that such might worry you almost certainly means you won't. Let God and leave go. Remember, you are loved. Pax.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Theres two ways I can interpret this.
A)To overcome the desire entirely you have to lose it. You can't lose it if you don't have it. Thats scary to think about.
B) Your suffering counter balances your sins in the eyes of god, since by will it would have been all his doing. The ending results are unknown to me, but im praying its option B with a happy ending.

Option B is whats keeping the desire within my mouth. Go figure -.-
Im wondering if letting go is the ONLY way counter the sins and evil associated with desires, and the aftereffect i would imagine is the same for everyone. The truth about this though, is also scary for me O-O

I wouldn't say suffering counter balances our sins. Suffering is a self inflicted consequence of sinning. If we are doing good and we are suffering as a result of doing good, then it is counted to us as righteous...but if we are sinning and we are suffering as a result, then its because we deserve it and we are 'reaping what we are sowing'
Galatians 6:7  Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh

Jesus encouraged us to root out sinful desires from our hearts... having those desires can lead us into committing sins as James stated:
James 1;14  But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.


Heres... the thing though, And this is where the old testament (jobs) leads to a messiah, how does Jesus, and taking a cross, play into it all. Thats what I fear too, because I don't want a cross to carry if it means someone else is going to pay the price. What happens after? Dam dude.. someone please explain from experience lol.. I am so dam close.. but yet so far away..

Need.. halp.. from an experienced christian who carrys a cross.. to which jesus has redeemed and freed.

Jesus sacrificed his life on a stake for our benefit so that we could be freed of the consequences of sin, namely death.

But only those who actively accept that sacrifice and obediently follow Jesus will reap any benefit from it.
 

Adstar

Active Member
It is very frustrating when people talk in Churchspeak. But the problem is that 10 people will say something like ""christian who carrys a cross""" and have 10 different personal ideas of what that means...
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
I wouldn't say suffering counter balances our sins. Suffering is a self inflicted consequence of sinning. If we are doing good and we are suffering as a result of doing good, then it is counted to us as righteous...but if we are sinning and we are suffering as a result, then its because we deserve it and we are 'reaping what we are sowing'
Galatians 6:7  Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh

Jesus encouraged us to root out sinful desires from our hearts... having those desires can lead us into committing sins as James stated:
James 1;14  But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.




Jesus sacrificed his life on a stake for our benefit so that we could be freed of the consequences of sin, namely death.

But only those who actively accept that sacrifice and obediently follow Jesus will reap any benefit from it.

Seems like an impossible sacrifice to accept depending on perspective. You hear of songs, some christian, some in other genres, and statements made from christians/wise men in books where its claimed that a cross can be avoided if you sacrifice your desires for the soul reason of setting someone else free from taking a cross, or setting yourself free- Or you can take a cross, even do so willingly, and truthfully meet Jesus face to face yourself. Christians who are spiritually aware can also just choose to ignore and forget the whole choice in it's self, which seems like the more safe way out versus having to trust in a promised result (being set free). You can see people taking all 3 routes, if not willingly, then willfully by god. My problem is, I want none of it. ATM im not set free from sin/desire, because If I was, this rain would stop falling. Its beyond the point of making me stronger, its telling me I need to be set free.

1)Meet Jesus face to face but get crapped and shamed on.
2)Watch someone else take my cross with it being on a loved one.
3)Sacrifice my desire that leads me to sin but risk eternity.

That tripple edge sword.

Excuse me, I must ponder over why people claim Jesus to be alive but yet disbelieve in the observations I've made for years now.
 
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Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
It is very frustrating when people talk in Churchspeak. But the problem is that 10 people will say something like ""christian who carrys a cross""" and have 10 different personal ideas of what that means...

Join the club. This is why I look at "church speak" from different perspectives first, then I observe the people who use it and in what context, and then usually I understand how they are using terms -.- The problem is were online, so nobody can observe crap. I tried giving examples.
 

Adstar

Active Member
Join the club. This is why I look at "church speak" from different perspectives first, then I observe the people who use it and in what context, and then usually I understand how they are using terms -.- The problem is were online, so nobody can observe crap. I tried giving examples.

So tell me what do you mean when your say "Christian who carries the cross" ?
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
So tell me what do you mean when your say "Christian who carries the cross" ?

That.. I find has less interpretations than most other terms or expressions in 'church speak'.
Guess you'll have to find out good sir.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
We are our own guide in all things.
You must go in the direction of that which is your passion.
That which brings out the "best in you" as they say.

We all know we have a "moral compass" because when we do good things, it makes us feel good.
It really can't get any easier than that.

When i speak of following your passion, i am talking about in the moment.
Do what is your passion now in the circumstance you are in and you will learn to do it in everything in your life.

If you begin where you are and do what you want, you will get to where you want to be.

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Spiritually, though I know im on a journey, reading this in reference to an on going storm of mine from the heavens makes me feel wicked, as these verses are described to the wicked O-O


Job 20:13-27
"His bones are full of his youthful vigor, But it lies down with him in the dust. Though evil is sweet in his mouth And he hides it under his tongue, Though he desires it and will not let it go, But holds it in his mouth, Yet his food in his stomach is changed To the venom of cobras within him. He swallows riches, But will vomit them up; God will expel them from his belly. He sucks the poison of cobras; The viper's tongue slays him. He does not look at the streams, The rivers flowing with honey and curds
He returns what he has attained And cannot swallow it; As to the riches of his trading, He cannot even enjoy them, Therefore his prosperity does not endure. In the fullness of his plenty he will be cramped; The hand of everyone who suffers will come against him. When he fills his belly, God will send His fierce anger on him And will rain it on him while he is eating. He may flee from the iron weapon, But the bronze bow will pierce him. It is drawn forth and comes out of his back, Even the glittering point from his gall. Terrors come upon him,Complete darkness is held in reserve for his treasures, And unfanned fire will devour him; It will consume the survivor in his tent. The heavens will reveal his iniquity, And the earth will rise up against him. The increase of his house will depart; His possessions will flow away in the day of His anger"

Please tell me others of you can attest that you've been on this path. I need advice, for this is the current path I am on during this long lasting storm that won't cease. It's not as simple as just letting go, and yet if its more complicated, Im all ears. For me, my desire surely sits in the corners of my mouth, but its the evil, and the sin that lets me know I've attained that desire, and clearly, for me, thats the culprit. The evil and sin of the desire is nothing more than reassurance, and the reason why I eat crumbs when I can is because Im constantly thinking that God cannot condition me to have it without needing the associated sins and evils for reassurance. I don't believe god to be that.. understanding of our humanly ways.

Ill demonstrate, but obviously ill use a different example.
Let's say within your youth you suffered greatly because of your parents financial issues. Naturally, it more than likely became a desire for you to be financially secure. Over your teen years you fight for it, doing fabulous in school, getting into a University, and eventually obtaining a great career to which you financially can support yourself and a large family. You've obtained what you desired. Now, a storm comes along and shakes your world entirely. From the rain You learn of your sins and evil doing in the midst's of the days you dwell'ed upon that to which you clung to for so long. The waves knock you down as you learn you lost the wealth from whatever unforseen reason, lets say your business got sued to the ground for something you couldn't control. You chase the winds that tell you your wealth will be preserved and the law suit will work in your favor. Before the storms over, however, The evil and sin you've done is your reassurance that you still have that to which you've suffered for for so long, and fought for.

Theres two ways I can interpret this.
A)To overcome the desire entirely you have to lose it. You can't lose it if you don't have it. Thats scary to think about.
B) Your suffering counter balances your sins in the eyes of god, since by will it would have been all his doing. The ending results are unknown to me, but im praying its option B with a happy ending.

Option B is whats keeping the desire within my mouth. Go figure -.-
Im wondering if letting go is the ONLY way counter the sins and evil associated with desires, and the aftereffect i would imagine is the same for everyone. The truth about this though, is also scary for me O-O


Heres... the thing though, And this is where the old testament (jobs) leads to a messiah, how does Jesus, and taking a cross, play into it all. Thats what I fear too, because I don't want a cross to carry if it means someone else is going to pay the price. What happens after? Dam dude.. someone please explain from experience lol.. I am so dam close.. but yet so far away..

Why did Job suffer? Job was a righteous man so why would a righteous man have to suffer to balance out his sins?

Job chapter 20 is about Zophar's speech and Zophar implies that Job is wicked in verse 5.
Zophar wrongly claims that Job enjoys sin - verses 12,13
Job gives his reply in chapter 21.

Please notice the challenge that Satan [ Not God ] presented before all of us.
At Job 2 vs 4,5 Satan calls into question the loyalty or integrity of all humans.
Job was loyal to God's Sovereignty, and Satan claimed he could turn all of us away from serving God.

By Satan saying "A" man [ verse 4 ] implies all of us in his challenge that in verse 5 touch our 'flesh ' [ loose physical health ] and we would Not serve God.
In other words, apply enough pressure and sooner or later we will break our loyalty to God. Both Job and Jesus proved Satan a liar and so can we.

Oh, yes definitely a happy ending! Please see Revelation 22 v 2 and 21 vs 4,5.
We can see a returning of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing or curing of earth's nations. That will soon start on earth with the coming 1000-year kingdom reign over earth by Christ Jesus who is the king of God's kingdom for a thousand years.- 1st Cor. 15 v 26
 
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allfoak

Alchemist
There is a time when battle must occur.
You are correct that it is not always about letting go, there is always a battle that ensues when faced with the foes of fear and death.
The way to overcome of course is to stand on the truth with patience and perseverance.
:)
 
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