Are you going to claim that the medical community recommends castrating minors? Because that would be an extraordinary claim. Do you have any evidence of any medically endorsed castrations of a minor?
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PoetPhilosopher
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Critical thinking is important, but my personal opinion is that to think it suddenly makes us top experts in the field with our own mind, is kind of a whole misapplication of it.
Science is all about questioning conclusions, re-examining evidence, and questioning authority in general. I think true scientists would welcome the skepticism.
I don't want to quibble over details, but younger people are not allowed to vote, or drive, or drink. I would guess that neurologists would agree that those are good laws.
Assuming neurologists do agree that those are good laws, do you agree with the neurologist on those things?
I do indeed. For many of the same reasons that lead me to think that young brains and minds are NOT mature enough to decide that they want to have their bodies maimed.
No, I asked you. Do you have any evidence of any medically endorsed castrations of minors? I am not even going to ask you to produce that evidence, but just tell me, have you seen any? Do you really believe that the medical community is castrating minor?
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I agree. That's not what I'm suggesting.
But I DO think we can recognize extraordinary claims and demand extraordinary evidence.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Great, so you do agree with medical experts, at least sometimes.
I'm not sure where your logic connects here.
I have complete compassion for my children but does compassion translate into letting them believe a lie or join in a lie?
Certainly I show compassion. I am against transitioning because of compassion. I want them to get help because of compassion. And one could say that love compels one not close their eyes and mouth when a lie is being propagated.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You did make am accusation, however, and as you lack supporting evidence and will furnish none then there is no reason to believe your accusation is true. It's a claim that came from your moniker's butt.
That would be someone else.
So does quantum physics. Ditto for the fundamental incompatibility of Newtonian Gravity and Einstein Relativity.
Common sense isn't really a thing anyways.
No. Like all other medical procedures it balances risks versus benefits. In my personal experience, transitioning is the most closely scrutinized and guided procedure I've ever went through. Not even my last knee surgery got any sort of questioning or therapy or guidance even though it was high risk for long term failure (and it did). Given my age at the time and already having three surgeries to that knee he should have declined me as being a poor candidate for surgery. But it happened anyways.
Hormone treatment though I had to buy them online because the normal means of getting them was taking forever and unnecessarily long, partly due to a very limited number of treatment providers in rural Indiana, but mostly because of a med clinic advance practice nurse who diagnosed me with psychotic disorded NOS, meaning that had to be ruled out as a cause of gender dysphoria, evaluated amd reexamined and ultimately struck from my record.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And yet you do.
I tried looking it up. Not a single reputable source could confirm this being the case. Indeed it seemed to be something condemned by the actual medical community at large.
Though my search did come up with a lot of results for chemical castration being used as a punishment for sex crimes against children. Perhaps that’s where the confusion came from?
I expressed it very clearly. Others agree with my reply.
That is your viewpoint and a point that I have commented so very often. If you would like to change the subject of XX being XY in ones mind to love and what love really is... could you open another post and tag me?
This makes no sense at all. Why would what "people do" make a difference on what you believe? We aren't preaching "people" - we are sharing and teaching about "Jesus". Besides that, yes, there are religious people who may have a bigoted attitude but humanists can be that way too. Isn't that hypocritical? Pointing the finger when your own camp does it too?
It is your insistence that those who have gender identity challenges are lying that is where you are not connecting the logic. It is your judgment that is immoral and flawed. Heck, it even goes against what Jesus taught about NOT judging others for who they are. I would say those who have gender identity challenges are living the truth if they are being honest with themselves. But you as a Christian who ignores what Jesus taught? Who is living the lie?
What was that parable about a plank in your eye?
Seriously, what is your level of expertise about gender identity challenges? I have none. A friend of mine has his phd in gender identity psychology, and we have had some talks about this. Another friend has a daughter that at 20 was not happy and wanted to get hormone therapy to transition. Now I have no expertise about this issue and I have no personal perspective as a heterosexual male. I had mixed feelings about her transition, and was not sure why she wanted to do this. She has been doing therapy for about a decade now and is much happier in life. So, is it up to me and you to decide what makes Cass happy, or is it none of our business? We can have our reaction to this, but what right do we have to say anything? You fall back on your religion, but I have only myself, so my integrity, my compassion, my morals. I have nowhere to hide. So I show Cass support, and feel happy that he has found happiness. This is my obligation as a human being.
No, you lack compassion because you can't see human beings for who they are because you look at everything through the filter of your religious dogma. It taints any chance you have to be truly compassionate, and not be judgmental. You defer your judgment to your dogma, as if you have no option but to judge trans people. That is an excuse. It's the "I was just following orders" excuse that immoral people try to hide behind.
This is how religion suffocates the spirit. The dogma weighs so heavily that the soul can't be free to live and feel what is natural. Such believers are little more than empty agents for religion, and it is no wonder they confuse judgment and intolerance for love and compassion.
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Not what I said. I said they're doing it, I did not say I agreed.
But of course, sometimes I agree with the medical community, I just don't do it without thinking about it.
Is this going to be a LMGTFY moment? If so, how many links will convince you that I'm correct?
(But I have to say, if you have not heard this, you really ought to do just a little smidgeon of research yourself, wouldn't you say?)
I tried looking it up. Not a single reputable source could confirm this being the case. Indeed it seemed to be something condemned by the actual medical community at large.
Though my search did come up with a lot of results for chemical castration being used as a punishment for sex crimes against children. Perhaps that’s where the confusion came from?
What would you call surgeries that involve removal of genitalia?
Way to stick to the rules and debate ideas.