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There are better ways a god could have created this universe

The Transcended Omniverse

Well-Known Member
I wish to talk about fundamentalist Christianity and other religions that promote the idea that we are sinners who will be tormented for eternity in hell unless we dedicate and serve our lives how these gods want us to. Since I vehemently disagree that an all loving and all just god would create and set up the universe this way where millions upon millions of unsaved people are burning and agonizing alive, then it has to be the case that there is a much better way that this whole universe could have been created and set up. It does not matter what others would have to say to me such as that it was mankind's sinful choice which led them to their eternal condemnation. It doesn't matter what anyone says to me. There has to be a much better way that god could have set up this whole scenario. He could have set up a universe where there is no hell and only some forms of punishment, or he could have set up a universe where there is at least some suffering to give our lives benefit, but not the horrible and agonizing suffering that we see in this cruel and unfair world that we all live in.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
I wish to talk about fundamentalist Christianity and other religions that promote the idea that we are sinners who will be tormented for eternity in hell unless we dedicate and serve our lives how these gods want us to. Since I vehemently disagree that an all loving and all just god would create and set up the universe this way where millions upon millions of unsaved people are burning and agonizing alive, then it has to be the case that there is a much better way that this whole universe could have been created and set up. It does not matter what others would have to say to me such as that it was mankind's sinful choice which led them to their eternal condemnation. It doesn't matter what anyone says to me. There has to be a much better way that god could have set up this whole scenario. He could have set up a universe where there is no hell and only some forms of punishment, or he could have set up a universe where there is at least some suffering to give our lives benefit, but not the horrible and agonizing suffering that we see in this cruel and unfair world that we all live in.

When Jesus was talking about hell He was issuing a warning to Lucifer, not humans. Hell is a disconnection from God, something which means you cease to exist since nothing can truly separate from God, but things can be turned off.

Humans too often misunderstand universal ideas because they have an extremely small, selfish, and primitive view of everything.

There is no eternal hell, even for Lucifer. There are only two options for humans and angels, you either ascend or you cease to exist. You can delay your ascension and perform work for the universe but eventually you will have to ascend to heaven.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
When Jesus was talking about hell He was issuing a warning to Lucifer, not humans. Hell is a disconnection from God, something which means you cease to exist since nothing can truly separate from God, but things can be turned off.

Humans too often misunderstand universal ideas because they have an extremely small, selfish, and primitive view of everything.

There is no eternal hell, even for Lucifer. There are only two options for humans and angels, you either ascend or you cease to exist. You can delay your ascension and perform work for the universe but eventually you will have to ascend to heaven.

Interesting concept.....

I always thought for a time hell conceptually was a place as you say, a disconnect from God. I suffer immensely being away from my now deceased parents, so I cannot comprehend being away from God.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I wish to talk about fundamentalist Christianity and other religions that promote the idea that we are sinners who will be tormented for eternity in hell unless we dedicate and serve our lives how these gods want us to. Since I vehemently disagree that an all loving and all just god would create and set up the universe this way where millions upon millions of unsaved people are burning and agonizing alive, then it has to be the case that there is a much better way that this whole universe could have been created and set up. It does not matter what others would have to say to me such as that it was mankind's sinful choice which led them to their eternal condemnation. It doesn't matter what anyone says to me. There has to be a much better way that god could have set up this whole scenario. He could have set up a universe where there is no hell and only some forms of punishment, or he could have set up a universe where there is at least some suffering to give our lives benefit, but not the horrible and agonizing suffering that we see in this cruel and unfair world that we all live in.

I want to live in your universe. Where do I sign up?

Wait, you do have a universe, right? Right?!
 
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