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There can be no light without the dark.....right?

Rigaletto

Rigaletto
Does anyone else feel that there should be some sort of "bad" religion to equal out all the good? It seems to me that there should be a dark side, to counter the light, even with the Yin Yang symbol there is a dark and a light. Who represents the dark? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
 

Rigaletto

Rigaletto
Im not sure, its just something i was thinking about the last couple weeks. To me it seems as if it should be bad....to maintain a sort of "balance" if you will. But im open to other ideas. Which is why i posted this in the first place. If i find people agree with me for the most part maybe we can come up with something. But if im persuaded im wrong im not completely against that either. Id just like to hear some thoughts
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
if darkness can be defined it would be the absence of light ... just as cold is the absense of heat

So there is really no purpose to darkness...its just a state which occurs when light is absent. Perhaps we could say that religious darkness is opposed to relgious truth because one relies on the light, whereas the other is the absence of light.

i dont know if im making any sense, but for me it comes down to 'true or false'

hence there is only one truth...not many.
 

Rigaletto

Rigaletto
That does make quite a bit of sense. Not having light just means absence of religion? I can see that. But on the other hand. How would you know light was light if you never experienced the dark? Or, how would you know your religion is good, if there is nothing to compare it too, or contrast to. Shouldn't there be a religion based on bad....so that all religions based on good could look at it and say THATS why we do what we do?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
That does make quite a bit of sense. Not having light just means absence of religion? I can see that. But on the other hand. How would you know light was light if you never experienced the dark? Or, how would you know your religion is good, if there is nothing to compare it too, or contrast to. Shouldn't there be a religion based on bad....so that all religions based on good could look at it and say THATS why we do what we do?

they are good questions in terms of religion. How do we determine what is good from what is bad? I personally dont believe we 'need' bad to know what is good...i think we are endowed with enough practical wisdom and understanding to know when something is good and when it is bad.

the world without religion...that is what is bad. When we add the 'light', then the darkness is gone.
 

GabrielWithoutWings

Well-Known Member
I would have to give equal praise to darkness in addition to light were I to invest myself spiritually.

The darkness represents the feminine, the creatrix, the womb. While you may see in the light, the darkness is always there behind it and when the light is no more, there the darkness will be still. You were made in the darkness, grew in the darkness, and nurtured in the darkness before taking the journey into the light. It is of secret things and is an equalizer.

I find darkness soothing.
 

Rigaletto

Rigaletto
So if the darkness is so soothing as you say...and has so much to do with our lives, would it make sense to make a religion centering on it?
 

GabrielWithoutWings

Well-Known Member
So if the darkness is so soothing as you say...and has so much to do with our lives, would it make sense to make a religion centering on it?

Not to me, personally. You and I may have different needs.

I have a need for symbolic balance, unity yet distinction, male and female, immanent and transcendent, etc.

There is darkness around us but we are also surrounded by light. We're biologically set to 24 hour cycles of light and dark.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Rigaletto,

The yin/yang symbol has a white spot in the centre of the dark one and vice versa in the light one which represent consciousness which is the heart of every duality.
Consciousness is that which balances both.
One who is conscious at all times even in light or darkness is always in a balance.

Love & rgds
 

Rigaletto

Rigaletto
To both GabrielWithoutWings and zenzero, thank you for all the help, both of what you guys say makes alot of sense to me. I started this whole thing because i felt that dark should get representation on order to truly understand the light, but now i see that we already live in a world with both. And i dont think that there need be more darkness.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
The yin/yang symbol has a white spot in the centre of the dark one and vice versa in the light one which represent consciousness which is the heart of every duality.
Consciousness is that which balances both.
One who is conscious at all times even in light or darkness is always in a balance.

Love & rgds

Aren't you the guy that posts about returning to nothingness?

As per your above post.....
You are balanced when conscious.

What then when you die?

Into the light?...into the dark?

Will you be aware either way?
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Thief,
Consciousness.
Is it a thing?? does it have any place??
does it have matter??
is it light or darkness?? etc.etc.
Meditate on it and the answer will get revealed by itself.

Love & rgds
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Friend Thief,
Consciousness.
Is it a thing?? does it have any place??
does it have matter??
is it light or darkness?? etc.etc.
Meditate on it and the answer will get revealed by itself.

Love & rgds

I believe in life after death.
I will go on.
Into the light.

How about you?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Does anyone else feel that there should be some sort of "bad" religion to equal out all the good? It seems to me that there should be a dark side, to counter the light, even with the Yin Yang symbol there is a dark and a light. Who represents the dark? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Dualistic yet when realised as a whole, you see in actuality this is indistinguishable. There is no true separation of light, dark, good, and bad that can be isolated. Its a given to which we apply the aforementioned terms for sake of identification, yet make the mistake of separating one from another thinking such things are exclusive unto themselves.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Dualistic yet when realised as a whole, you see in actuality this is indistinguishable. There is no true separation of light, dark, good, and bad that can be isolated. Its a given to which we apply the aforementioned terms for sake of identification, yet make the mistake of separating one from another thinking such things are exclusive unto themselves.

You've read the first few verses of Genesis...right?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, physically there can be light without dark, but what Yin Yang means is that we can't understand that light or notice that light without dark.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Does anyone else feel that there should be some sort of "bad" religion to equal out all the good? It seems to me that there should be a dark side, to counter the light, even with the Yin Yang symbol there is a dark and a light. Who represents the dark? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
This concept is easily explained; everything has an opposing side, life to death, left to right (although the ever loving paleo strip -time, has only one side curiously). IMO simplicity is always way too easy to allow false accusations to "good v. bad". Good things can come from bad and vice versa, the same can be said of light and dark.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
The Eternal Tao that can't be described is the transcendent underlying unity of the apparent dualistic ying/yang nature of the Tao that is manifest to our perceptions.

In the same way the Eternal God that is beyond description is the transcendent underlying unity of the apparent dualistic nature of the creation manifest to our perceptions.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isaiah 45:7
 
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