There Have Been 144 Major Earthquakes in the Last Week.

[TransmutingSoul]

I have listened to the so called .prophets, and they have failed. This is a rather well written article on biblical prophecies, the Bahai prophecies fail for the same reasons:

Biblical prophecies - RationalWiki

Try this one, it gives another frame of reference.

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

Try this one, it gives another frame of reference.

Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage

Regards Tony

I am not wasting my time chasing rabbits. Here is a list of what conditions a prophesy must meet to be of any value from the article I linked earlier:

1. It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. TLDR: It's true.
2. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical by definition foreknowledge can only come from the Bible itself, rather than modern reinterpretations of the text. TLDR: It's in plain words in the Bible.
3. It must be precise and unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if meaningless philosophical musings or multiple possible ideas could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional rather than accidental. TLDR: Vague "predictions" don't count.
4. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know something true, while a correct guess doesn't mean that the guesser knows anything. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true but were believed to be true without solid evidence. TLDR: Lucky guesses don't count.
5. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. TLDR: Ideas of the time don't count.

In the case of your prophecies you can substitute the name for the Baha'i holy book for that of the Bible.

Do any of your prophecies meet all of those criteria?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I am not wasting my time chasing rabbits. Here is a list of what conditions a prophesy must meet to be of any value from the article I linked earlier:

1. It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. TLDR: It's true.
2. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical by definition foreknowledge can only come from the Bible itself, rather than modern reinterpretations of the text. TLDR: It's in plain words in the Bible.
3. It must be precise and unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if meaningless philosophical musings or multiple possible ideas could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional rather than accidental. TLDR: Vague "predictions" don't count.
4. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know something true, while a correct guess doesn't mean that the guesser knows anything. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true but were believed to be true without solid evidence. TLDR: Lucky guesses don't count.
5. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. TLDR: Ideas of the time don't count.

In the case of your prophecies you can substitute the name for the Baha'i holy book for that of the Bible.

Do any of your prophecies meet all of those criteria?

That is up to you to decide.

I made my choice.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is up to you to decide.

I made my choice.

Regards Tony

Yes, you made an irrational choice. A rational thinker cannot choose. By calling your belief a choice you admit that your choice was not rational.

Until you can support your claims they are refuted by default.

 

[Deeje]

The truth is many would not appreciate the repy. The Bible offers it in this way;

Jeremiah 25:4"And the LORD has sent to you all His servants the prophets again and again, but you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear,"

I found silence is golden when that is the case.

It is fair to say that humans do not like to be told what to do, and many chafe when corrected. I believe that God is selecting from among mankind the ones whose personality reflects the kind of people who were drawn to Jesus and what he taught. They were humble and obedient, observing Christ's teachings and doing their best to become the kind of people that God is seeking to become citizens of his Kingdom.

Those who can't be told will wonder why they are judged as unacceptable at the end of the day.....even those who claim to follow Christ, but only according to their own interpretation of things, will be puzzled. There is one truth and those finding it will get to live the life God originally offered to Adam. There is a reason why Jesus said that "few" are on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13-14) They don't want to travel on 'the cramped and narrow road'.

It is 'the meek who will inherit the earth'....not the opinionated.

It is 'the pure in heart who will see God'....not those who who only want to carry out their own desires whilst ignoring the laws of God.

You can lead a horse to water......

but he'll only drink if he's thirsty.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, you made an irrational choice. A rational thinker cannot choose. By calling your belief a choice you admit that your choice was not rational.

Until you can support your claims they are refuted by default.

The rational faculty is indeed a most important function.

"The human spirit consists of the rational, or logical, reasoning faculty, which apprehends general ideas and things intelligible and perceptible." Abdu'l-Baha

What I see as Rational proofs, you obviously do not.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

The rational faculty is indeed a most important function.

"The human spirit consists of the rational, or logical, reasoning faculty, which apprehends general ideas and things intelligible and perceptible." Abdu'l-Baha

What I see as Rational proofs, you obviously do not.

Regards Tony

But that is only because of cognitive dissonance on your part. Was there anything in that list that I posted that was unreasonable? If so why? If not, and your prophecies cannot meet those criteria why would any rational person take them seriously?

For example I can predict that you will see a red car the next time that you drive on the streets. Does that make me a prophet on the order of your Baha'i prophet?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But that is only because of cognitive dissonance on your part. Was there anything in that list that I posted that was unreasonable? If so why? If not, and your prophecies cannot meet those criteria why would any rational person take them seriously?

For example I can predict that you will see a red car the next time that you drive on the streets. Does that make me a prophet on the order of your Baha'i prophet?

If you predict I will see a red car, with white pin stripes, chrome plated tappet covers, twin carbs, pink drum discs, spokes in rims, white upholstery, etc etc, that it came from a certain place and will end up at a certain place and while doing that crosses mountains, bridges and sea etc then I would have a need to investigate how that could be so.

Regards Tony

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Anything bad? Proof the devil is acting against us. Anything good? Proof that the devil is tricking us and acting against us. It's a no win dilemma.

John 12:31 & John 14:30.....Jesus himself refers to the Devil as "prince / ruler of this world."

Luke 4:5-6....In tempting Jesus, Satan offers him "all the kingdoms of the world" in exchange for worship, claiming he controls them; Jesus doesn't dispute it!!

Revelation 12:9....Satan the Devil is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth." Vs.12 says, "Woe for the earth...." (But the verse does end with "he has a short period of time.")

If there was any time to follow James 4:8, it's now!

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you predict I will see a red car, with white pin stripes, chrome plated tappet covers, twin carbs, pink drum discs, spokes in rims, white upholstery, etc etc, that it came from a certain place and will end up at a certain place and while doing that crosses mountains, bridges and sea etc then I would have a need to investigate how that could be so.

Regards Tony

The problem is that none of the prophecies from believers that I have seen are that precise. Most are on the order of "You will see a red car". You could try to find a prophecy that is more accurate than that, but I doubt if you will find one.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The problem is that none of the prophecies from believers that I have seen are that precise. Most are on the order of "You will see a red car". You could try to find a prophecy that is more accurate than that, but I doubt if you will find one.

The end of age Prophecies are many. But yes one has to put together the puzzle. That is where fair and honest reasoning must play a big part. They give a place where it will start from, it gives a journey that will be taken, it gives places that events will happen, it gives a start timing and length of revelation and it gives the intent of the Message.

Now that starts to be a lot of criteria that someone must fulfill. Added to that, that is only from the Bible, the link I posted quoted other prophecy about end times from many other sources.

Thus the person must also be able to fulfill all of them as well. Now the probability factor becomes immense.

Regards Tony

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I Liked the number of earthquakes was 144 that started this thread. 144,000 mentioned in the Bible.

144 is not 144,000. If the Bible says there are going to be 144,000 earthquakes, exactly that and not one more or less. I know the 144,000 aren't earthquakes, but it's moving and stretching goal posts to correlate the two numbers, because they are not the same number.

9 which represents amongst other things, perfection.

What makes 9 perfect, and anything other than an Arabic integer to represent quantity?

We can use 1844 and show why Christains found that date. Then we can show a Name that is mentioned in the Bible that gave a Message in that year.

Here are 2 Names mentioned in Biblical Prophecy.

Gate.
Glory of God or Glory of the Lord.

Arabic translations of the above.

Bab
Baha'u'llah.

Evidence?

Language can be a cloud that obsures our vision.

I think you want it to be more so than it really is.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If you predict I will see a red car, with white pin stripes, chrome plated tappet covers, twin carbs, pink drum discs, spokes in rims, white upholstery, etc etc, that it came from a certain place and will end up at a certain place and while doing that crosses mountains, bridges and sea etc then I would have a need to investigate how that could be so.

Regards Tony

Got any prophecies with an analogous amount of detail shown to be correct? I'm guessing not...

 

[TransmutingSoul]

144 is not 144,000. If the Bible says there are going to be 144,000 earthquakes, exactly that and not one more or less. I know the 144,000 aren't earthquakes, but it's moving and stretching goal posts to correlate the two numbers, because they are not the same number.

I did not say it was. The numbers are added to get a final sum, in both cases that is 9.

The use of numbers is ancient and some were very clever at it. They could write a message telling one story and at the same time the numerical value gave another hidden story.

This link talks a bit about 9

Number 9 Symbolism, 9 Meaning and Numerology

This is great about 9;

R. Allendy speaks about the curious arithmetical properties of the nine which gives it a very particular character because of the use of our decimal notation system. In another numerical notation system they would cease to exist: the difference between an unspecified number and the number formed by the inversion of its digits is always a multiple of 9 - example: between 26 and 62, the difference is 36, multiple of 9; the multiples of 9 are always composed of digits where the sum (once reduced) is equal to 9; the product 123456789 x 9 gives 9 times the digit 1 in the answer (1111111101). Concerning this last property, Elisabeth Haich mentiones the next calculations:

0 x 9 + 1 = 1
1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 + 10 = 1111111111

Regards Tony

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I did not say it was. The numbers are added to get a final sum, in both cases that is 9.

The use of numbers is ancient and some were very clever at it. They could write a message telling one story and at the same time the numerical value gave another hidden story.

This link talks a bit about 9

Number 9 Symbolism, 9 Meaning and Numerology

This is great about 9;

R. Allendy speaks about the curious arithmetical properties of the nine which gives it a very particular character because of the use of our decimal notation system. In another numerical notation system they would cease to exist: the difference between an unspecified number and the number formed by the inversion of its digits is always a multiple of 9 - example: between 26 and 62, the difference is 36, multiple of 9; the multiples of 9 are always composed of digits where the sum (once reduced) is equal to 9; the product 123456789 x 9 gives 9 times the digit 1 in the answer (1111111101). Concerning this last property, Elisabeth Haich mentiones the next calculations:

0 x 9 + 1 = 1
1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 + 10 = 1111111111

Regards Tony

Bible code numerological nonsense makes baby Jesus cry

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Number 9 Symbolism, 9 Meaning and Numerology

I don't accept superstitious ideas that have been consistently demonstrated to be false.

This is great about 9;

R. Allendy speaks about the curious arithmetical properties of the nine which gives it a very particular character because of the use of our decimal notation system. In another numerical notation system they would cease to exist: the difference between an unspecified number and the number formed by the inversion of its digits is always a multiple of 9 - example: between 26 and 62, the difference is 36, multiple of 9; the multiples of 9 are always composed of digits where the sum (once reduced) is equal to 9; the product 123456789 x 9 gives 9 times the digit 1 in the answer (1111111101). Concerning this last property, Elisabeth Haich mentiones the next calculations:

0 x 9 + 1 = 1
1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 + 10 = 1111111111

How is that more impressive than other mathematical tricks? What about Fn = Fn-1 + Fn-2 ---- an = [ Phin - (phi)n ]/Sqrt[5]? That one tends to get way more attention than 9.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The end of age Prophecies are many. But yes one has to put together the puzzle. That is where fair and honest reasoning must play a big part. They give a place where it will start from, it gives a journey that will be taken, it gives places that events will happen, it gives a start timing and length of revelation and it gives the intent of the Message.

Now that starts to be a lot of criteria that someone must fulfill. Added to that, that is only from the Bible, the link I posted quoted other prophecy about end times from many other sources.

Thus the person must also be able to fulfill all of them as well. Now the probability factor becomes immense.

Regards Tony

I do not think that you know what "fair and honest reasoning" is. It appears that all you have is confirmation bias at best. Once again look at the list of criteria I posted. It appears to be more than fair. You can't seem to find any objections to it. That tells us that your belief is not rational. You as much as admitted to that. Why should anyone believe what you believe?

 

[HonestJoe]

I noticed the article said those things.
Deeje was quoting from the article.....the author said that.

Yes, the underlying point is that the source article is trash.

I wouldn't call M4.5 'major', either....but that many within a week timeframe is unusual.

It doesn't matter what you or I call them, it is a formal standard term based on the magnitude of earthquakes. I believe the author of the article is fully aware of that and is deliberately lying. There is certainly no reason to trust the statements of someone about earthquakes who makes such a fundamental error.

And yet again, that number of 4.5 magnitude earthquakes in a week is not unusual. I and others have linked several sources clearly showing there are around 10,000 to 15,000 earthquakes of 4-4.9 magnitude a year, which is around 200 per week. Please stop propagating the lies.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[SkepticThinker]

My bleak analysis'?
I didn't write those articles. Lol.

You didn't provide any articles. You posted some quotation scraps ... sorry, that's the best I can come up with to call them.

But again, the actual statistics don't agree with the bleak analysis provided in those quotation scraps.

You are helping to fulfill Scripture:
2 Peter 3:3-4, Holman Bible says, "First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires, saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation."

How convenient! The end of the world is coming when you say so, and if anyone disagrees you've got a Bible claiming that people who don't believe you (when you fail to provide any evidence whatsoever), will say they don't believe you. LOL

Newsflash: People usually "scoff" at stories that are made up and lack basic evidence backing them up. I guess even the Bible's writers knew that.

Two things to learn from this; first, some people wouldn't recognize how dire things are. And if that's the case, conditions must be somewhat bearable...it wouldn't be totally drastic.

(Of course, you're not living in Sudan or Chad, either.)

The real bad time, the Great Tribulation, is soon to follow.

Well, things are much less "dire" for humanity now than they appear to have been for most of human existence. So pardon me for being all scoffy and wondering what the heck you're talking about.