SavedByTheLord
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It is a manuscript that has existed for about 4000 years.
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There is irrefutable evidence from Polonium halos that the rock layers of the Grand Canyon where all formed in a short time, the worldwide flood.
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Esteban X
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That answer is incorrect.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The fact is that other ancient societies believed the earth was situated on top of a turtle, or something like that, so the idea that the earth hangs on nothing is perfectly explained in a picturesque way. Hope you can read this -- it's not long but it explains.
Weight of the World
The consensus seems to be that the Torah was compiled during and after the Babylonian captivity in the 6th century BCE, using in part earlier written materials which can't be specified, and the rest by about 200 BCE.
The Book of Job, it's thought, was written somewhere between the 7th and 3rd centuries BCE.
Even allowing it's fiction, the morality attributed to God in the Job story ─ ruin, murder, humiliation, degradation, desolation of a good man just for a bet ─ is particularly repulsive.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Regardless of what you think about it, mankind is killing itself in many different ways, that including evolution, wars, guns, knives, plus much more. That is, if you believe in evolution, of course.
SavedByTheLord
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The kings were to read the law and that was when Saul and David were kings which would have been circa 1000 BC
I understand what evolution is and, in outline, what the theory of evolution says about it. I'm comfortably persuaded that it's a set of valid scientific theories. One reason for this is that the alternative appears to require belief in magic, and I have no reason to think magic ─ the alteration of reality independently of the rules of reality ─ exists outside of the imagination of individual humans.
You say that "evolution" is one of the ways that "mankind is killing itself". What's an example of your claim?
SavedByTheLord
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Sorry but evolution is the belief in magic .
Creation by God Almighty is just scientific fact.
As I said, some of the Tanakh may be from texts earlier than the Babylonian captivity, but if so with very rare exceptions it's impossible to say which. There is very little evidence of David outside of the Tanakh's books, but arguably not none. The rules of historical research apply as much to the characters of the Tanakh as to the texts of the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans and so on.
My definition of truth is that truth is a quality of statements and a statement is true to the extent that it accurately reflects / corresponds to objective reality (the world external to the self).
How do you define "truth"? What definition do you use, and what objective test for truth does it provide?
I recall your saying in the past that God is objectively real, and I asked you to post authentic photos or videos of this objectively real being. But of course you still haven't done so ─ and I suspect that's because you can't ─ and I suspect that's because the only way God is known to exist is as a concept, notion, thing imagined in an individual brain.
So front up with those photos and videos of this real God and show me I'm wrong.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
How do you know, were you there? I don't think so!
I can easily prove that Hercules existed. He killed the Hydra. Is the Hydra still alive? Can you show me the Hydra?
No, you cannot... why? Because Hercules killed him!.
Checkmate!
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Nope. Nothing in the theory of evolution requires any suspension or violation of natural law.
Since god-magic DOES require the violateion / suspension of natural law, it is anything but scientific.
You managed to get it exactly backwards.
SavedByTheLord
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Like the Big Bang which does violate the laws of physics, cause and effect and sanity.
Except evolutionists do not have God Almighty to reduce their false theories.
SavedByTheLord
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It was commanded to that any king was to read the law circa 1500 BC. David read it. Josiah read it. So it must have existed in written form circa 1500 BC.
Esteban X
Active Member
I cant reply to that. I'm too busy laughing
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
1. notice how you just moved the goalposts from biology to cosmology
2. wrong again (off course). big bang theory does not violate any law of nature either (and causality isn't even a law of physics lol)
Evolution doesn't require any gods or fairies or angels or leprechauns or whatever other "supernatural" / magical entities you can come up with, to work.
Subduction Zone
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That would have little to do with when the Bible was written.
SavedByTheLord
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In Deut 17:19 it says that kings were to read a copy of the law. That took place circa 1500 BC. So the law was in written form circa 1500 BC.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, that is extremely poor reasoning. You keep forgetting that Deuteronomy was written around 500 BCE. They probably had no idea of what was going on a thousand years earlier. In fact Israel in any form probably did not exist then.
You cannot use just the Bible to prove the Bible.
No, something may have existed back then and perhaps it more closely or less closely or not at all resembled parts of what has come down to us in the post-Babylonian era, but just what and in what wording we very largely don't know. Nor, to coin a phrase, can any purported claim in the bible to the contrary be taken as gospel.