There is no contradiction in Religion and Science

[gnostic]

This is rational thought 101

He must have missed the memo, so missed his 101 class.

 

[otokage007]

There is no contradiction in Religion and Science; as both are modes of human virtual travel into the unseen realm in a sense; the later in the physical and secular realm only while the earlier goes deep in the meaning, purpose, characteristics, attributes, morals and spiritual.

You don't need religion to explain all those things. Philosophy studied those since the beginning of times. So tell me, what's the use of religion?

They are complementary not contradictory.

Read the holy books and then read any book of biology and u will understand that what u said is not true.

One is the Word of the Creator God while the other is Work of Him. Both created by Him.If we fall short of at times understanding the Work of God, the same way we may misunderstand the other; the fault is always on our side as to err is human, and to shift it on the side of Creator God would be naturally unjustified.

What is the remedy to this scenario? Just to improve our understanding with the available appropriate tools in the relative realm. With more experiments and experiences we could improve and photo-finish our understanding.

There's not a single evidence that suggests that God may exist. So science will never prove God's existance, even if some self-called-scientists believe in God.

Maybe what we consider as a scientific reality as laymen, is not a scientific reality in the eye of Real Scientists; it is an idea, an opinion, a hypothesis, or a theory not yet ripe enough to be a law on merit; so naturally it should not correspond with the Word of the Creator God.

Human error could play havoc with the Word also. A priest/monk, the fake one of course, may not and must not be able to understand the Word correctly so it would not and must not match with the Scientific Laws, resulting into an apparent ambiguity, which is not there in reality, it is our own personal or collective illusion for the most part.

This is what I think. Your opinions/comments are welcome.

Do you think if the holy books have the ultimate knowledge about this world, humans would invest such an amount of money and effort to scientific progress? Open your eyes because it seems your God's fake light is blinding you.

 

[paarsurrey]

You don't need religion to explain all those things. Philosophy studied those since the beginning of times. So tell me, what's the use of religion?



Read the holy books and then read any book of biology and u will understand that what u said is not true.



There's not a single evidence that suggests that God may exist. So science will never prove God's existance, even if some self-called-scientists believe in God.



Do you think if the holy books have the ultimate knowledge about this world, humans would invest such an amount of money and effort to scientific progress? Open your eyes because it seems your God's fake light is blinding you.

The Word revealed is for the guidance of the human beings in ethical, moral and spiritual fields; it does not claim to be a text book of science.

So human beings both religious and irreligious will continue to invest money and efforts for scientific progress for their material and physical advancement.

Science and religion work in different fields; hence they don't contradict with one another if interpreted correctly .

 

[otokage007]

The Word revealed is for the guidance of the human beings in ethical, moral and spiritual fields; it does not claim to be a text book of science.

So human beings both religious and irreligious will continue to invest money and efforts for scientific progress for their material and physical advancement.

Science and religion work in different fields; hence they don't contradict with one another if interpreted correctly .

The way you interpret religion is just your way of thinking and u would have a lot of nerve saying that you know which interpretation is correct. But back to the topic, are you familiarized with the word "genesis"? Well it is a worldwide known book often named The Old Testament in which it is explained how the world and the man were created, being both scientific topics of high interest. So "The Word" claims to be a scientific book, it's just that it is such a bad one, that u mistakenly thought it wasn't.

 

[paarsurrey]

The way you interpret religion is just your way of thinking and u would have a lot of nerve saying that you know which interpretation is correct. But back to the topic, are you familiarized with the word "genesis"? Well it is a worldwide known book often named The Old Testament in which it is explained how the world and the man were created, being both scientific topics of high interest. So "The Word" claims to be a scientific book, it's just that it is such a bad one, that u mistakenly thought it wasn't.

I leave that to be answered by a Jew or a Christian. My religion tells me that Torah in origin had some guidance or light in it when revealed to Moses but not now; I quote from Quran:

[5:45] Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

I think Genesis is neither Word revealed by God nor written by Moses or dictated by him; anyway it does not claim to be a text book of science; so why take it like that.

This is my opinion; others could believe differently

 

[gnostic]

I think Genesis is neither Word revealed by God nor written by Moses or dictated by him; anyway it does not claim to be a text book of science; so why take it like that.

I have yet to see a single Jewish RF member treating the genesis creation story as science or scientific events.

The only ones to do so are some Christian creationists. I have some muslim members treating the Qur'an (few selective verses) as some sort of scientific miracles. I think they both delude themselves.

And i have yet to see any Jewish member in the forums say (or written) that their Torah or any parts of the Tanakh were written by God. The way I see they treated their scriptures as written by Jews to show their relations to god, to the Torah and the Abrahamic-Mosaic covenants, to their land (Canaan), and to who and what they are as the people of Israel (descendants of Jacob).

The attributions of the divine scriptures (referring to authorship of scriptures) to god is something that only some Christians do and all Muslims do, not Jews. Which is another baseless claim.

All religions are man-made and all scriptures are man-made. People are deluding themselves when they think otherwise. The Qur'an is no more impressive than the bible or vice versa. I only respect both scriptures as works of literature of their time. Nothing more, nothing less than that, and certainly not something that I would put my faith on...let alone, treating them as if they have some sorts of scientific values/merits.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have yet to see a single Jewish RF member treating the genesis creation story as science or scientific events.

The only ones to do so are some Christian creationists. I have some muslim members treating the Qur'an (few selective verses) as some sort of scientific miracles. I think they both delude themselves.

And i have yet to see any Jewish member in the forums say (or written) that their Torah or any parts of the Tanakh were written by God. The way I see they treated their scriptures as written by Jews to show their relations to god, to the Torah and the Abrahamic-Mosaic covenants, to their land (Canaan), and to who and what they are as the people of Israel (descendants of Jacob).

The attributions of the divine scriptures (referring to authorship of scriptures) to god is something that only some Christians do and all Muslims do, not Jews. Which is another baseless claim.

All religions are man-made and all scriptures are man-made. People are deluding themselves when they think otherwise. The Qur'an is no more impressive than the bible or vice versa. I only respect both scriptures as works of literature of their time. Nothing more, nothing less than that, and certainly not something that I would put my faith on...let alone, treating them as if they have some sorts of scientific values/merits.

Let us have the evidences; I think it is only opinions of those who say it, at the most.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Let us have the evidences; I think it is only opinions of those who say it, at the most.

I don't think it's an opinion to say that "books are written by people", or that "religion is a human construction". Until there is evidence to suggest any other origin for either of those things, it's the only reasonable position a person can take.

 

[gnostic]

All religions are man-made and all scriptures are man-made.

There are no doubts that people wrote every scriptures.

It was people who invented writing. People who write on papers, tablets, walls or whatever they can write on. That's the reality...you know: in the real world.

I have yet to see real physical evidence that any god, angel, demon, jinn, fairy or spirit to exist, let alone leave writings for us to read.

No, paarsurrey. Only you have opinion. There are no physical evidences to which any spiritual being was ever involve in writing. And since you are the one who believe in these supernatural or spiritual world with spiritual beings, then the burden of proof actually falls upon you. You are the one who is supposed to provide the evidence.

Can you provide evidence beyond your personal belief or faith, or your personal opinion?

I didn't think so. Your faith in a god that supposedly wrote something, is nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

[paarsurrey]

There are no doubts that people wrote every scriptures.

It was people who invented writing. People who write on papers, tablets, walls or whatever they can write on. That's the reality...you know: in the real world.

I have yet to see real physical evidence that any god, angel, demon, jinn, fairy or spirit to exist, let alone leave writings for us to read.

No, paarsurrey. Only you have opinion. There are no physical evidences to which any spiritual being was ever involve in writing. And since you are the one who believe in these supernatural or spiritual world with spiritual beings, then the burden of proof actually falls upon you. You are the one who is supposed to provide the evidence.

Can you provide evidence beyond your personal belief or faith, or your personal opinion?

I didn't think so. Your faith in a god that supposedly wrote something, is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Physical proofs could be asked if everything/concept/being is physical; since everything is not physical so physical proofs for non-physical is not valid to be asked; a thing/concept or being could be real yet not physical.

 

[gnostic]

Physical proofs could be asked if everything/concept/being is physical; since everything is not physical so physical proofs for non-physical is not valid to be asked; a thing/concept or being could be real yet not physical.

Evidence, not proof. Proof are for mathematics. I was asking for evidences.

Again, I would still ask you for evidences for what you believe to be "non-physical". If everything is not physical, then this non-physical then there is a great possibility that it is not real.

Imagination, opinion, taste (in beauty and ugliness) and belief/faith are all subjective. All imagination, opinion, taste or belief are not the same, so how can you possibly determine which is true or not?

 

[kylixguru]

Or maybe unicorns did it.

They were supposed to, but they self-destructed. Kind of a sad story really.

 

[George-ananda]

For me there is no contradiction between my spiritual beliefs and science. My spiritual beliefs are about things science can not confirm or deny.

 

[paarsurrey]

For me there is no contradiction between my spiritual beliefs and science. My spiritual beliefs are about things science can not confirm or deny.

The same is my opinion; life was born when science did not exist; science is just a secular tool.

 

[kylixguru]

They were supposed to, but they self-destructed. Kind of a sad story really.

I find it interesting that the royal crest of England prophesied of this fate.
If you look at the unicorn you will notice that it is harnessed and connected via chains to the Serpent.

 

[Looncall]

For me there is no contradiction between my spiritual beliefs and science. My spiritual beliefs are about things science can not confirm or deny.

Please provide some examples.

 

[David M]

I find it interesting that the royal crest of England prophesied of this fate.
If you look at the unicorn you will notice that it is harnessed and connected via chains to the Serpent.

What Serpent?

There is no serpent on the royal coat of arms. A unicorn, lions and a harp yes, a serpent no.

 

[kylixguru]

What Serpent?

There is no serpent on the royal coat of arms. A unicorn, lions and a harp yes, a serpent no.

There is a little dragon down towards the bottom. You need to make sure you get a full graphic and not a smaller iconized version.

Examples containing the serpent include:
Misc Study: Coat of Arms of Prince Charles of Wales

Note the chain leading from the unicorn and connecting it to the base of the arms (directly above the red dragon.) In heraldry this chain functions as a "restrainer" (cf. 2 Thess 2:6-7).
...
Opposite the red dragon is Charles' badge as the heir-apparent to the British throne. It consists of three ostrich feathers surrounded by a crown with the motto Ich Dien. The meaning of Ich Dien is "I serve" in German. In old Welsh, Eich Dyn, as some believe the motto is a corruption of, is "Your man." The motto and ostrich feathers are associated with "the Black Prince" (Edward III's son). Reading the motto and symbols from right to left, the following message is possibly conveyed :

Ich, the Black Prince, Dien the Red Dragon
(I, the Black Prince, serve the Red Dragon)​

 

[kylixguru]

What Serpent?

There is no serpent on the royal coat of arms. A unicorn, lions and a harp yes, a serpent no.

Pardon me, Wales, not England.

 

[George-ananda]

Please provide some examples.

I'm thinking you are asking for examples of things I believe that science can not confirm or deny.

I believe Consciousness alone is real and the physical is a creation of Conciousness. This can not be confirmed or denied by 2012 AD science.

I believe we have an etheric, astral and mental body along with a physical body that exist outside of our 'normal' three-dimensional world. This can not be confirmed or denied by science in 2012 AD.

My spiritual beliefs come from my study of the unexplained and the teachings of the eastern (Indian) masters.