There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[ElishaElijah]

That you are holding an empty bag.

It is true that my bag is empty, I dumped it at the cross and traded it in for a cup and that cup is full and running over.
“You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭23:5-6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So you got stuck holding the bag

 

[samtonga43]

Straw man fallacy.

Can you explain why you think it is a straw man fallacy, Sheldon?

 

[rational experiences]

O earth is a planet.

No speaking anywhere.

Earth gets its heavens out of a volcano also not speaking.

It becomes Immaculate. We live inside of it. Consciousness lying says it's before light. Immaculate

We live survive due to light.

As a human theist. Pretty basic why a natural human first observer first theist says science of humans lied.

Pretty basic reason why. Everyone owns mutual equal positions conscious innate aware first.

Human.

Men mind changed by star fall gas burn. I endured it's attack. I learnt about my brother. Brain prickling effect. Excruciating pain.

I saw brown black wisping smoke outside. Then in cooling visions emerged out of stone earth rock statues earth already owns everywhere. Elvis. Michael Jackson image...communications proven. Old men of past eras by clothing worn.

Saw it. When the legal testimony said it had been human witnessed.

Pretty basic machines theories direct from earths substances by humans are evil.

Yet first a man preaches. He says thinking when I built the machine it's the same as a man.

As it isn't doing any harm. Conscious human truth. Teaching is about humans using humans consciousness and how it lies.

Then he births its reaction ONLY Inside the machine. Yet the presence of why any substance exists first is cooled.

As his control is direct the machine only. As humans science.

It is humans doing a practice human only sciences.

Yet every single thesis was out in nature first. About not humans science.

Which is termed direct human lying and dangerous.

Legal says if he built the machine just for a reaction I push a button. It's not involving any other type cold natural substance.

It's not what he's doing. He built his machine to remove cold substance which in legal is Gods law substances cold.

So he owns no argument about how he acts for Satan not God.

Was the teaching there is no God in human's sciences exact and legal.

 

[joelr]

I found in depth personal study and the reading of Scripture instead of books written by skeptics to be a lot more beneficial to life application of the principles

Right like non-Hebrew slaves are permanent and so are their children. Women and children may be taken as plunder of war. Women should remain silent in church and non-believers should be ignored, even if family. You don't need ancient stories to understand basic compassion and virtues.

instead of books written by skeptics to be a lot more beneficial to life application of the principles

Except books by non-skeptics also include things like alien abductions are real, alien craft crashes at Roswell, Islamic theology, Mormon theology, Scientology, the entire Gia channel on youtube, Big Foot and every other easily proven modern mythology.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually consider those things real and would expect people to be skeptical. You just want a pass on the one fiction that you believe.
But you are demonstrably incorrect about life application. The message of scripture is you have to believe in a Jewish version of a Greek demigod or go to eternal torture.
You can get all the virtues and morals in any basic philosophy. Clearly you have never even heard about Greek philosophy?

You can learn about being a good person from even most fiction that follows the heroes journey?

God has communicated to us.

No, that is the claim made in every single revelatory religion of which there are thousands. Clearly the Israelites were not an exception because "God" just repeated a bunch of Mesopotamian, Babylonian and Egyptian mythology and then the scriptures repeat Greek and Persian mythology. You just chose to believe claims that people presented to you as real.

Feel free to demonstrate that God has communicated to us?

The others tend to bring confusion, which is a tactic of the devil.
So, thanks for the skeptic book recommendations but definitely with continue with the Illustrated Bible.

The "devil" you know of who has "tactics" is not the OT Satan. That is the NT version which was impacted by the Persian myths.

You are incorrect about those books being "skeptics". They are historians who report history exactly as it's found. The fact that you don't know the difference shows you are unaware of basic truths. Which is why you believe in a myth. I don't think there are even skeptic books written about Christianity? Are historians who write about Zeus and Heracles "skeptics"? Are historians who write about Egyptian myths "skeptics" because they don't claim Horus is real? I don't think so. One does not need skepticism to know ancient stories are not actually real?
Calling the historicity field "skeptics" is so far removed from the truth and so bizarre that I'm not even sure you are serious?


OT Satan is an agent of Yahweh. He delivers a plague, tortures Job, serves as a prosecutor, all commanded by Yahweh.
During the Persian occupation Hebrews encountered Persain myths. Their devil lived in an underworld (and later firery) realm and was at constant war with God and humanity. Then, wouldn't you know, so does the christian version?

During the Second Temple Period, when Jews were living in the Achaemenid Empire, Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism, the religion of the Achaemenids.[26][8][27] Jewish conceptions of Satan were impacted by Angra Mainyu,[8]the Zoroastrian god of evil, darkness, and ignorance
The idea of Satan as an opponent of God and a purely evil figure seems to have taken root in Jewish pseudepigrapha during the Second Temple Period,[30] particularly in the apocalypses


Then during the Middle Ages-
During the early modern period, Satan's significance greatly increased as beliefs such as demonic possession and witchcraft became more prevalent. During the Age of Enlightenment, belief in the existence of Satan was harshly criticized by thinkers such as Voltaire. Nonetheless, belief in Satan has persisted, particularly in the Americas.


Hell in Persian Myth

The concept of hell, a place of torment presided over by Angra Mainyu, seems to be Zoroaster's own, shaped by his deep sense of the need for justice. • Those few souls 'whose false (things) and what are just balance' (Y 33. I) go to the 'Place of the Mixed Ones', Misvan Gatu, where, as in . the old underworld kingdom of the dead, they lead a grey existence, lacking both joy and sorrow.


Good vs evil in Persian myth

Harsh experience had evidently convinced the prophet that wisdom, justice and goodness were utterly separate by nature from wickedness and cruelty; and in vision he beheld, co-existing with Ahura Mazda, an Adversary, the 'Hostile Spirit', Angra Mainyu, equally uncreated, but ignorant and wholly malign. These two great Beings Zoroaster beheld with prophetic eye at their original, far-off encountering: 'Truly there are two primal Spirits, twins, renowned to be in conflict. In thought and word and act they are two, the good and the bad .... And when these two Spirits first encountered, they created life and not-life, and that at the end the worst existence shall be for the followers of falsehood (drug), but the best dwelling for those who possess righteousness (asha). Of the two Spirits, the one who follows falsehood chose doing the worst things, the Holiest Spirit, who is clad in the hardest stone [i.e. the sky] chose righteousness, and (so shall they all) who will satisfy Ahura Mazda continually '----1\n with just actions' (Y 30.3-5).


'----1\n with just actions' (Y 30.3-5). essential element in this revelation is that the two primal Beings each made a deliberate choice (although each, it seems, according to his own proper nature) between good and evil, an act which prefigures the identical choice which every man must make for himself in this life . The exercise of choice changed the inherent antagonism between the two Spirits into an active one, which expressed itself, at a decision taken by Ahura Mazda, in creation and counter-creation, or, as the prophet put it, in the making of 'life' and 'not-life' (that is,death); for Ahura Mazda knew in his wisdom that if he became Creator and fashioned this world, then the Hostile Spirit would attack it, because it was good, and it would become a battleground for their two forces, and in the end he, God, would win the great struggle there and be able to destroy evil, and so achieve a universe which would be wholly good forever.

Mary Boyce (oh wait, is Boyce a "skeptic" as well?)


Also Revelation is Persian. They already had a myth about a final end war where all followers of the religion get resurrected into new eternal bodies and live in paradise on Earth. But you don't believe that one. You must be skeptical?
So what you must be saying is you don't want skepticism applied to things you believe are true. But if everyone suddenly started worshipping Zorostrianism you would probably be calling for some skepticism? Then it's ok?
So that is a nonsense position.

 

[rational experiences]

Law. Legal. Human concepts of the right to life and human highest status. Health.

No science whatsoever is Involved. No theories. No storytellers as humans.

Legal. Natural human mutual equal life. Humans.

Only human sex produced new humans. As continuance of human presence.

Legal law says animal sex produced animal babies.

Legal in human life by human term as hierarchy dominion in consciousness on earth. Humans.

Legal says no theories allowed.

No status in legal supports any type of science.

As natural human assists natural human medically. We use all earths products to assist life.

Legal.

There is no theory. Legal.

Then just a human wants to express an argument. So legal terms put you in human jail for human criminal activity. A just a human only ever a human was lying.

As lying is in legal terms a human criminal activity. Why old scientist theist designers were put in jail.

As we learnt to apply the human status a legal system by what human liars as theist then machine inventors had caused. Humans life criminal murdered by science causes and biology sacrificed.

Legal. Law. Law of life on planet earth agreed in law to be quoted as God earth.

As to impose a legal position for humans the planets body is where you live.

 

[joelr]

Your comments are mostly angry BS. They are close-minded and extremely self-righteous. Your words show signs of know-it-all-ism, which is really words of foolish-ism.

Nope, not angry. You made a claim and I'm asking for evidence. You made a claim of communication with a supernatural entity. A claim that you have communication, pretty big claim. Now you sound upset that you were called out. Actually I'm the one asking for evidence? You said it was beyond your intelligence, great! I'll ask again, please ask about how to quantize gravity!
Of course if I was claiming to have communication with a deity who was giving me answers beyond my intelligence you wouldn't think to ask about the information? Or have me ask some questions for you? Not really an unreasonable response (unlike yours?).

I expect a tidbit of open-mindedness and words of intelligence on a debate forum, not foul attitudes and stale sentences that have been repeated a gazillion times over and over and over. I don’t expect someone to think they are winning points by misconstruing another’s comments, or by responding with lengthy, asinine speeches. Quite a few folk on this thread do that. These actions don’t show confident debating habits.

This is all misdirection. You in fact did choose the only answer that doesn't demonstrate you have communicated with a deity?
Attempting to drag down my response isn't getting you anywhere.
There also is clear open mindedness here. You made a claim and now I'm asking you to follow up and provide evidence. In no real debate is that ever a foul attitude. Maybe in a Christian forum where no one questions ideas and claims you can make these claims. Not in a real debate, you need evidence.
You seem to think open-mindedness is being gullible? If I claim to be talking to Grey aliens and they give me information over my intelligence level IN NO WAY is it ANY of the things you claim to simply ask for evidence.
Provide evidence or at the least expect your claims to be called out.
All the nonsense you are accusing me of you are doing in this response?

Your comments show no understanding of what faith is. Thinking one’s race is superior is NOT faith, that would be a thought, a belief, pride, haughtiness. Faith IS evidence. I’m not familiar with praying by “meditating” and “breathing slow.” I don’t know what “apologetics” are, either.

No faith in this discussion is defined in scripture. And it is what I said it is. It's actually even worse at times, often it's straight up Law of Attraction nonsense:
"If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
"“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”'

Clearly LOA nonsense and obviously not true.

But we can go with:
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."

Faith that ones race is superior is that same faith. Evidence? Yes, the racists see they are superior in many ways, that is their evidence.
But we can stick to religious faith. Over 1 billion people have faith Islam is the true religion (which says Christians and Jews are wrong, liars and cursed). over 1 billion people have faith that Lord Krishna is their personal deity and speaks to them and hears their prayers.
So faith can CLEARLY be shown to be a bad pathway to truth.
You also have no evidence that you presented?

Apologetics are pseudo-science, lies, half truths, historical inaccuracies and other to make religions seem true despite huge amounts of evidence that they are not.
For example Islam has an apologetic that the science is the Quran is so advanced for the time it has to be written by Allah.
Of course the writers of the Quran were using Greek science that the Christian church had preserved and put aside. Islam embraced this science and for a time Islam were scientific leaders until reverting back to more fundamentalist ideologies.

You certainly did ask me to challenge God. “Ask God what my name is and tell me,” “quantize gravity,” “where do I live.” You wanted proof through me... that is challenging God. It shows you don’t know how faith and prayer work. It isn’t “psychic” or “crystal ball” or “magic” powers.

I know faith is just a concept given to all religious people from all religions because there is no actual evidence. I know prayer actually do not work. Studies have been done but it isn't hard to see it's all confirmation bias. Christians mortality rates from terminal disease is no different than any other religious or non-religious. So either your God doesn't answer prayers regarding life or death matters or no deity is answering prayers. The studies also demonstrated the same.

I know Christians fight hard against the "magic ball" thing because there isn't any God there so one could never produce any evidence. Saying "God doesn't allow himself to be tested" is an apologetic.

However you claimed you can receive information beyond your intelligence. Which is useless anecdotal stories. If one cannot use this as evidence it has no point in a discussion. Also how do you know? If you really have communication, instead of freaking out why not ask for the information? If you use anecdotal evidence, I'm going to ask for proof.

I never said I could prove God. You directly quoted my sentence, yet you twisted it around using your interpretation. I said God can prove to ME he’s real. I said I can ask him questions and get answers. I didn’t say I can ask him questions for other people and get them answers. Religious people know prayers and getting answers to prayers are personal. It’s a common practice. You said something about being a former believer and knowing about prayer. Even if you never achieved getting answers, you should be familiar that other people do.

You are entering an anecdotal story in a debate forum. I can go to any skeptic forum and claim I speak with Thor and say but he only speaks to me. I am not interested in your rules about "oops, you cant test God". If you cannot provide evidence then that is useless anecdotal nonsense. Which is used to prove every God, monster, ghost, alien abduction, fairey and the entire Gia Channel on youtube.

Even if you never achieved getting answers, you should be familiar that other people do.

I am familiar with mine and others experience and that is that your subconscious mind creates feelings that you are speaking with a deity. I know everyone gets "answers" and sometimes things don't work out and you say "God has other plans" until finally something better comes along and you thank God and call it an answered prayer.
Then upon being secular I find that is exactly how life actually happens. I also know you can pray to anything and if you are serious you will get a feeling of being listened to. This is not because Thor is really listening but how our minds work. It's psychological.
The idea that some people get actual answers, as if it's a level is complete BS. Even high ranking religious people like Cardinals or the Pope don't make those claims. Until someone provides some simple evidence those are just ghost stories.

 

[joelr]

You say nothing I have not heard before. Your point is what? You do not believe the biblical accounts?

It isn't important what you have heard before. I don't believe any mythology is real. I don't believe the accounts of Osirus or any of the savior demigods.
The Historicity field considers the Gospels to be a fictional narrative based on a real teacher of Judaism. A few think even the man is made up.

You're not the first and not the only one either.

I would hope many people understand this is just ancient myth?

I state again. I believe in God. I believe the holy Scriptures are reliable. I could not find any compelling evidence to the contract - only that God is trustworthy.

Your beliefs are not important, evidence is important. People believe all sorts of religions and legends. Clearly people believe false things. Christianity is 1/3 of all religious believers. Even from your view 2/3 of all religious believers are wrong. Clearly people believe false things. But Christianity has no better evidence that the others.
I don't know what you mean about God being trustworthy? What God? Natural disaster, war, pandemic, sickness/health, everything happens in away that follows statistical probability, even our day to day lives. Quantum mechanics/reality is governed by probability and that is exactly what we see? We don't see any deity?

 

[joelr]

You misunderstand. Here are your words, to which I responded:
"Yet in the religion they believe heaven is literally in outer space and miracles are frequent. As are dead people raising from the grave".

I am questioning your use of 'they', because...
I (and I would venture to guess most Christians) do not believe that heaven is literally in outer space.
I (and I would venture to guess most Christians) do not believe that miracles are frequent.
I (and I would venture to guess most Christians) do not believe that dead people frequently rise from the grave.

Oh, by "they" I meant the early Christians and Hebrew people. All of those beliefs were common. They believed them because that is what scripture says and they believed scripture.
With more modern ages came proof that miracles were not actually happening, outer space is planets and space, no cosmic ocean, scripture was wrong.
Later in the Middle Ages theologians like Aquinas had to come up with new theology to replace these obviously incorrect models. God was no longer in heaven which was not far above Earth in the original model.
So Platonic concepts of the ONE was used, a being beyond space and time, tri-omni. Aquinas said "yeah, Yahweh must be all these things that Plato said" As if Christianity already hadn't used enough Greek lore? But science pushed out these dated ideas.

But the original ideas are supposedly Gods word. Seems to demonstrate pretty clear that this is just a book written by people and not God.

 

[rational experiences]

When science was illegal by new social implementation.

The book of science shut. Science documents put in a vault.

Legal was 0AD world agreed no science invention Alchemy allowed.

The bible. Testimonial against science was the used advice correlating old evidence also.

No science.

Temples became churches not science machine buildings.

Exact human history.

So no argument existed about Jesus terms that said science was a criminal life murderer and had been sacrificing both human and animals biology cell blood.

Exact.

The term no man is God exact stated.

No book reading legal.

Ask yourself why you began preaching science again? From books?

Dark ages brain mind star fall gas burnt inherited..... illogical unreasonable sick minded human. Sexual disease rampant. Mind gone with weird unnatural behaviours.

Cruel humans who tortured punishment the exact reason why.

Why you believed in false preaching again as the testimony history only.

The legality was book shut no reading.

Today you reinvent nuclear technology read out of the bible and quote yep seems like the old information again as nuclear revelations in reactions.

Not sensible themes at all in human life.

 

[joelr]

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To be considered a believer in Christ a person would need certain evidence and proof of a changed life and heart, a new man and would say empirical. This is being born again, if this change isn’t evident then I would question whether that person was ever a believer in the first place. They may have gone to meetings and participated in religious activities but not born again of the Spirit. Would ask what soil in the Parable of Sower is that person, am I or you?
So not sure what that church was teaching or what you heard.

That is evidence of a changed life. People have changed life when they enter Islam as well. Dramatic changes. Doesn't demonstrate evidence that the religion is true. It means the person believes something and acts differently. Scientology causes changes but the myths behind it about aliens is definitely not true.

 

[joelr]

My qualifications come from God, He told me to test the spirits, inspect the fruit, expose the darkness, speak the Truth.

That is fantastic!!!!!
We can help get Gods message across. So, we have several lines of truth you can speak for God. I'll give a few.

I have a nine digit number, a 14 digit number and a 16 digit number form pi, will God give you any of those?

Will God tell you how we can quantize gravity?

Or something simple, what town am I in?
What is my house next to?

Let's expose this darkness and show that your God is real. Speak these truths. It may help people see your God could be real after all.
Please don't tell me he doesn't want to be tested. He just said to test the spirits. So let's test the spirits!

 

[joelr]

It’s a lot more than turning your life around, with God this was immediate, seems like takes you more than once like maybe back and forth.

"ON Christmas Day, 2010, I embraced Islam and became a Muslim.

I started to pray whenever I heard the beautiful sounds of the Adhan, the call to prayer, reverberating throughout the city. I read the entire Qur’an, word for word. I changed my lifestyle and gave up clubs and alcohol drinking, channeling my energy toward a more positive purpose, a master’s degree in education. I spent my free time doing volunteer work and I formed a group of Muslim women friends.
I felt a sense of peace and contentment. I knew I was doing what was meant for me and that Allah would bless my efforts. And I prepared to start the New Year, on a straight, new path."
Islam changed my life for ever
"
It was not until I accepted Islam that I felt I wasn’t just moving aimlessly from task to task, but I had a clear, well-defined purpose."



Islam changed my life for ever

The Hare Krishna mantra is the most powerful Mantra ever exist

When you sing Hare krishna Mantra all your inauspiciousness will vanished

When you will sing Hare Krishna mantra you will always remain happy in life

your life will become easy and full of bliss

All your impossible task will become possible

You will wash all your sins

You will feel miracles in life

You will become very close to sri Krishna

And many more

Your powerful opponents will be defeated by you if you are right and selfless



I was not a very religious person though belonging to Brahmin community. But certain things happen in your life which changes your perspective altogether. Such a thing happened to me- Krishna. It was one of those random evenings when you had nothing to do and you decide to roam around with your friend. On one such fortunate day, my life took me to Iskon Temple(Guwahati). Here people might think whats so special about visiting any Temple. But again, it was not the temple, it was krishna himself. I offered my prayers and then the Temple’s evening Aarti started. I was mesmerized and was taken to different world of devotion. For that moments I didnt care who i was, why i went there and when and where i have to return. The devotion to Krishna was such strong that i wanted the aarti to never stop. It was a divine feeling. From that day onwards my faith in God and in Krishna (particularly) grew super strong.

 

[joelr]

I’m not shifting any goal posts, I’ve always said God delivered me immediately, you said the same thing happened to you but you turned your life around more than once so seems like you’re back and forth, a struggle, not too impressive.

We can find endless examples of dramatic life changes once one embraces Islam or Krishna. I have had relationships with people in Islam and Hinduism. All of the Jesus stories are also found to even greater degrees in Islam and Hinduism. So this "evidence" is anecdotal. It's evidence that even belief in fiction (as long as you think it's true) can have great transformation power.


My blue lord Krishna really saved me daily from so many fallouts , which might hurt me in long run , once he saved from a disaster car accident which could have been fatal to the one where I just got damage to my car and no casualty.other time i desire to eat some sweet ,jalebi , no chance to have it around and in next half hour someone come to me with Jalebi . There are many incidents I thank my lord Krishna all the time for being in my life without Him its been empty. Hare Krishna.



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How do you feel when Shri Krishna (God) is with you?
Harekrsna ❤

Krishna is always present in our hearts and also in the form of holy names, statues and devotees.

His presence keeps moving me forward in times of stress. Yes, he is not in his original form but he tells me what to do in the form of words, quotes. And as long as I chant Hare Krishna Mahamantra, I know I will one day see him.

Today in the morning, I was really missing him and feeling sad. My chest was very heavy and I could hardly breathe. Badi mushkil se Puja kar paayi.

The love of krishna , Okay so let's start

I will not give you any reference from Vedas or bhagavad Gita etc….I will just tell what I feel like !

His love is the most beautiful thing in this whole world . The most amazing feeling is when you get his love . Even if you give him a leaf with your love and devotion , he will reciprocate and will love you till eternity ! He is the same Krishna who can become a charioteer for his devotees . He is the same krishna who even ready to your talks for hours and hours even if he knows everything very well .
https://www.quora.com/profile/Joel-Rivard

 

[joelr]

My presupposition is that God exists and the He created the universe as documented in Scripture.
I state that I believe that.
Presuppositions do not require proof and neither do statements but you could aim to falsify it. I could find no evidence to the contrary.

The Genesis creation narrative is the creation myth[a] of both Judaism and Christianity.
It expounds themes parallel to those in Mesopotamian mythology, emphasizing the Israelite people's belief in one God.

Scholarly writings frequently refer to Genesis as myth, for while the author of Genesis 1–11 "demythologised" his narrative by removing the Babylonian myths those elements which did not fit with his own faith,


Comparative mythology provides historical and cross-cultural perspectives for Jewish mythology. Both sources behind the Genesis creation narrative borrowed themes from Mesopotamian mythology,[

Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths.[1
The Enuma Elish has also left traces on Genesis 2.
Genesis 2 has close parallels with a second Mesopotamian myth, the Atra-Hasis epic – parallels that in fact extend throughout Genesis 2–11, from the Creation to the Flood and its aftermath.


Genesis 1 is an example of creation by speech, while Psalm 74 and Isaiah 51 are examples of the "agon" mythology, recalling a Canaanite myth in which God creates the world by vanquishing the water deities:


The archaeological model of Israel is they emerged from the Canaanites.

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia



A Baptist Pastor/historian explaining that the author(s) of Genesis are borrowing mythology available at the time to give the Israelites a foundation creation myth. This isn't real.

Religion, Identity and the Origins of Ancient Israel

K.L. Sparks, Baptist Pastor, Professor Eastern U.

As a rule, modern scholars do not believe that the Bible's account of early Israel's history provides a wholly accurate portrait of Israel's origins. One reason for this is that the earliest part of Israel's history in Genesis is now regarded as something other than a work of modern history. Its primary author was at best an ancient historian (if a historian at all), who lived long after the events he narrated, and who drew freely from sources that were not historical (legends and theological stories); he was more concerned with theology than with the modern quest to learn 'what actually happened' (Van Seters 1992; Sparks 2002, pp. 37-71; Maidman 2003). As a result, the stories about Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are

 

[joelr]

Although they may appear the same as in your example, they are much different. I have yet to find anyone except believers that have had the same testimony as mine.
It’s similar to comparing a legitimate dollar bill to a counterfeit.

I was quite surprised to learn in Hindu meetings how powerful the stories about Lord Krishna were. Then again for Islam. Clearly you are not hanging out at Hindu group meetings.
Your constant insistence that these Jesus transformations are just so magical and other religions don't compare (they do) reeks of desperation. Fundamentalists are not spending time with other religious groups and sharing transformation stories.
No one would buy this, Heavens Gate cult members were so enthralled to get their souls on a ufo ship they drank poison.

This line of evidence is not going to help you but it's showing you are clinging to mundane and known psychological phenomenon.

 

[joelr]

The resurrection of Jesus Christ was a fact when He rose from the dead, was verified and recorded and just because 2000 years has passed doesn’t make it any less of a fact today.

There were 6 known dying/rising savior sons/daughters of God who died and rose again in 3 days to get followers into the afterlife, before Jesus.
The actual story of Jesus was not recorded by historians at all. It was written about in Mark which is clearly a myth, used improbable events, mythic language, uses verbatim OT lines, Pauls letters, the Romulus narrative and other fiction. Historians of the day only mention Christians who follow the gospels. That's it. No historian believes the supernatural parts of the story are real. Only fundamentalists. Just like historians do not believe Muhammad did not actually get revelations from the Angel Gabrielle.
Historians also do not believe Joe Smith received revelations from the angel Moroni.

It is not considered a fact.
Christian mythology - Wikipedia
Christian mythology is the body of myths associated with Christianity. The term encompasses a broad variety of legends and narratives, especially those considered sacred narratives. Mythological themes and elements occur throughout Christian literature, including recurring myths such as ascending to a mountain, the axis mundi, myths of combat, descent into the Underworld, accounts of a dying-and-rising god, a flood myth, stories about the founding of a tribe or city, and myths about great heroes (or saints) of the past, paradises, and self-sacrifice.

People are still receiving eternal life and healing in the name of Jesus Christ. I am one of those people and a witness to the truth.

Millions of people claimed healings and miracles from Sai Baba in the early 1900s in India. People are healed by all Gods. And millions don't.
7 million children under 7 die every year. You don't think they are praying. Millions of others who survive then credit whichever deity they prayed to. People in all religions get sick. When they survive they claim they were healed. When they die people say "it was their time". Confirmation bias.

Eternal life is a claim, made by every savior and has no evidence. It wasn't even part of Judaism for 10 centuries.

During the period of the Second Temple (c. 515 BC – 70 AD), the Hebrew people lived under the rule of first the Persian Achaemenid Empire, then the Greek kingdoms of the Diadochi, and finally the Roman Empire.[47] Their culture was profoundly influenced by those of the peoples who ruled them.[47] Consequently, their views on existence after death were profoundly shaped by the ideas of the Persians, Greeks, and Romans.[48][49] The idea of the immortality of the soul is derived from Greek philosophy[49] and the idea of the resurrection of the dead is derived from Persian cosmology.[49] By the early first century AD, these two seemingly incompatible ideas were often conflated by Hebrew thinkers.[49] The Hebrews also inherited from the Persians, Greeks, and Romans the idea that the human soul originates in the divine realm and seeks to return there.[47] The idea that a human soul belongs in Heaven and that Earth is merely a temporary abode in which the soul is tested to prove its worthiness became increasingly popular during the Hellenistic period (323 – 31 BC).[40] Gradually, some Hebrews began to adopt the idea of Heaven as the eternal home of the righteous dead.[40]


Myth. Souls, heaven, salvation, redemption, myth.

 

[joelr]

Oh I see what you’re saying now, so in your opinion, because no names were assigned the gospels till later on although they were written during the lifetime of the people assigned to the Gospels who walked with Jesus, you’re saying therefore they are in your opinion not eyewitness accounts.
Is it possible that the Gospels were assigned to the correct people? Yes. All the Apostles were eye witnesses, other books of the Bible were from eye witnesses, John and Peter.

The apostles are fictional characters in the gospels. The gospels are anonymous, non eye witnesses mythical stories. Mark is the only version, the rest copy from Mark. We have already discussed the Synoptic Problem.

Gospel - Wikipedia

The four canonical gospels were probably written between AD 66 and 110.[5][6][7] All four were anonymous (with the modern names added in the 2nd century), almost certainly none were by eyewitnesses, and all are the end-products of long oral and written transmission.[8] Mark was the first to be written, using a variety of sources.[9][10] The authors of Matthew and Luke both independently used Mark for their narrative of Jesus's career, supplementing it with a collection of sayings called the Q source and additional material unique to each.[11] There is near-consensus that John had its origins as the hypothetical Signs Gospel thought to have been circulated within a Johannine community.[12] The contradictions and discrepancies between the first three and John make it impossible to accept both traditions as equally reliable.[1

The writers were not apostles, they were highly educated in the Greek school of writing and they employ all the literary devices used in fiction. They are trained writers who understand ring structure, triadic inversions and many other devices. Mark even has his lead character say he teaches in parables explaining to the reader that the entire story is a parable.
Everything in Mark is from some other source.
The crucifixion narrative:
Mark 15.24: “They part his garments among them, casting lots upon them.”

Psalm 22:18: “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon them.”

Mark 15.29-31: “And those who passed by blasphemed him, shaking their heads and saying, ‘…Save yourself…’ and mocked him, saying ‘He who saved others cannot save himself!’ ”

Psalm 22.7-8: “All those who see me mock me and give me lip, shaking their head, saying ‘He expected the lord to protect him, so let the lord save him if he likes.’ ”

Mark 15.34: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Psalm 22.1: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
On top of these links, Mark also appears to have used Psalm 69, Amos 8.9, and some elements of Isaiah 53, Zechariah 9-14, and Wisdom 2 as sources for his narratives. So we can see yet a few more elements of myth in the latter part of this Gospel, w

There is a re-write of Elisha from Kings as well.

 

[joelr]

Well, since you are a non-believer you can refer to God any way you like. You may find the linked article and quoted portion interesting...

“We know that God is a spiritual being. Strictly speaking, He does not have a gender. However God has chosen to reveal Himself to humanity using masculine pronouns and imagery. In the Bible, God does not refer to Himself using gender-neutral terms; He uses masculine terms. Since God has chosen to reveal Himself to humanity in language that specifies the masculine gender, we can and should refer to Him in similar language. There is no biblical reason to stop using masculine pronouns to refer to God.

From the very start in the Bible, God refers to Himself using masculine pronouns: “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). God refers to Himself from the beginning in masculine terms. Ancient Hebrew had no grammatically neutral-gender pronouns, so all items were intentionally given a grammatical gender of masculine or feminine. That pronoun was deliberate. In the Old Testament, the pronouns referring to God are grammatically masculine.

The same thing is found in the New Testament. The epistles (from Acts to Revelation) contain nearly 900 verses where the Greek word theos—a masculine noun—is used to refer to God. Although Koine Greek had gender-neutral terms, God is still referred to in the masculine gender.

In addition to the grammatical constructions, the imagery used in the Bible also confirms that God has chosen to refer to Himself as possessing male qualities. Several metaphors and titles are used to describe God. There are hundreds of references to God as a Father, King, and Husband. ”

Since God is not male, should we stop using masculine pronouns to refer to God? | GotQuestions.org

God also has man parts. In the new book by Hebrew professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou. she demonstrates original Hebrew (changed in English translation) that speaks of his man parts.
https://www.amazon.com/Audible-God-An-Anatomy/dp/B095DSQNZY

 

[joelr]

Just because you don’t accept the Gospels as legitimate doesn’t mean they aren’t. They have stood the test of time and are legitimate. Deny that all you want.

They stood the test of time? Wow so has Hinduism? So has Islam, guess they are all true? Zoroastrianism (is older, 1600BC) still has about 100,000 members, has stood the test of tie, must be true?

Also Christianity was made law in Rome. Then the Chruch came into power and freely killed and punished heretics (people in other religions). Christianity also forced religion on cultures all over the world. There is a story about an American Indian who a high school was named after. He was a "good Christian" from Boylston MA. Turns out there were laws in effect that anyone who practiced non-Christian religions could face severe penalties.

The gospels are Jewish versions of Greek and Persian myth, straight up. That is all they are. There IS proof of that.
There is no proof of any of that nonsense, just claims. Same claims made by Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism and others.

 

[joelr]

It is true that my bag is empty, I dumped it at the cross and traded it in for a cup and that cup is full and running over.
“You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭23:5-6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So you got stuck holding the bag

Yeah ancient scripture is real because you say so. Then Islamic scripture is real because someone else says so. Who needs evidence?

THE COW (Al-Madinah)
113 And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.

The Jews say the Christians are wrong, and the Christians say the Jews are wrong. [3]

Yet both read the scriptures.

114 And who doth greater wrong than he who forbiddeth the approach to the sanctuaries of Allah lest His name should be mentioned therein, and striveth for their ruin. As for such, it was never meant that they should enter them except in fear. Theirs in the world is ignominy and theirs in the Hereafter is an awful doom.

1. Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
   
   

1. "Allah has cursed them for their unbelief."
   Because I disbelieve in his bull****, Allah has cursed me, along with nearly six billion other non-Muslims. 2:88

The people of the Scriptures (the Jews and Christians) know that the Muslims are correct in their beliefs, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have.
109 Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.






3:86 How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and (after) they bore witness that the messenger is true and after clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) had come unto them. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
3:87 As for such, their guerdon is that on them rests the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.
3:88 They will abide therein. Their doom will not be lightened, neither will they be reprieved;

3:91 Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul). Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.