There should be no atheists!

[John D. Brey]

For people that are such monsters that they insist that other people be in sincere genuine pain, that is one wish that I would not grant.

Then you're the demigog/d way up there atop Slippery Slope?

In every way possible I would make sure that everybody is 100% entertained, euphoric, happy,

Are you Hunter or Joe? One is, and the other promises.

And that there is no suffering, everybody is amused, and being all powerful , all knowing, I could do this, give everybody new surprises, give everybody new forms of entertainment, and I could stop boredom from ever happening.

I'm the cleaning girl in the movie Get Out . . . with the tear sliding down my face drenching my smile.

Everybody has the freedom to go to whatever island they want , and do whatever they want,

But I told you I don't want them here dagnamit! Are you going to force me to endure them you tyrant?

Archangels that can read hearts, would stop people from going to Islands where they're going to start trouble.

Who'll read the heart of the shiny-nickle archangel who went up the hill with my archenemy whispering-Jack and and came back down with a buck and a quarter and the printout of my heart-reading?

New places are created to try to give everybody complete euphoria and happiness, but for those who absolutely cannot function no matter where you put them, they would have a luxury cell, cute guards, they would be heavily medicated with euphoric chemicals, anesthetized, and I would do absolutely everything I could to make Heaven possible for absolutely every soul there is.

There's a place like that right down here. You know. Guantanamo.

For those who insist on making suffering worse than other people, I would do what is necessary to stop that from happening, and being all powerful and all knowing, it would be easy for me to do so.

For a buck and a quarter I'll be your polygraphist in case someone questions your motives.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

And let me ask you, you don't think that's an improvement over people being born without limbs, people being born blind and deaf, death, cancer, children born with aids, starvation, hundreds of thousands buried under rubble from earthquakes unable to move or breathe, wars and destruction, people in agony, people confused, people miserable, heretics who thinks they know the truth and are extremely confused, people feeling abandoned by a God (who never speaks up to them or shows his face)?

But we must consider that not only is the man who feels no anxiety to avoid death incapable of being made a slave, but the same privilege belongs to those who are indifferent to poverty, and want of reputation, and pain, and all those other things which the generality of men look upon as evils, being themselves but evil judges of things, since they pronounce a man a slave from a computation of what things he has need of, look at the duties which he is compelled to perform, when they ought to look rather at his free and indomitable disposition; for the man who out of a lowly and slavish spirit submits himself to lowly and slavish actions in spite of his deliberate judgement, is really and truly a slave; but he who adapts his circumstance and actions to the present occasion, and who voluntarily and in an enduring spirit bears up against the events of fortune not looking at anything of human affairs as extraordinary, but having by diligent consideration fully assured himself that all divine things are honored by eternal order and happiness; and that all mortal things are tossed about in an everlasting storm and fluctuation of affairs so as to be subject to the greatest variety of changes and vicissitudes, and who, from those considerations, bears all that can befall him with noble courage, is at once both a philosopher and a free man. On which account he will neither obey every one who imposes a command upon him, not even if he threatens him with insults, and tortures, and even still more formidable evils; but he will bear a gallant spirit, and will cry out in reply to such menaces---

“Yes, burn and scorch my flesh, and glut your hate. Drinking my life-warm blood; for heaven’s stars shall quit their place, and darken ‘neath the earth, and earth rise up and take the place of heaven, before you wring from me a word of flattery.”​

What shall we say then? Shall we not look upon a wise man as more difficult to enslave than a lion, when he in his freedom and invincible soul has much more courage than any creature can have which consists of a body which is by nature a slave, however great his strength may be by which he resists his masters.

Philo, Every Good Man is Free.​

John

 

[Spiderman]

Then you're the demigog/d way up there atop Slippery Slope?



Are you Hunter or Joe? One is, and the other promises.



I'm the cleaning girl in the movie Get Out . . . with the tear sliding down my face drenching my smile.



But I told you I don't want them here dagnamit! Are you going to force me to endure them you tyrant?



Who'll read the heart of the shiny-nickle archangel who went up the hill with my archenemy whispering-Jack and and came back down with a buck and a quarter and the printout of my heart-reading?



There's a place like that right down here. You know. Guantanamo.



For a buck and a quarter I'll be your polygraphist in case someone questions your motives.



John

Being an all knowing, all powerful God, I would know how to make everyone happy.

The only exception would be, I would not permit people to make others tortured and miserable.

What you said is completely ridiculous. There are not prisons with luxury cells, free big screen TVs in each cell, comfort women visiting giving them massages, and inmates on euphoric chemicals who feel delighted all the time, with a God comedian tickling their funny bone and making them laugh hysterically regularly. Nice try! It is Only a last resort for those who insist on causing misery, and not permanent!

Being able to read hearts, and omnipresent, I could have justice, and stop crime before it's committed.

I would protect children from rapists and pedophiles and murderers.

I know with certainty that is the case. If you prefer the confusion, misery, murder, war, poverty, earthquakes, paralyzed people blindness, deafness, disease, famine, and death in our world, over what I propose, is it fairly obvious you have some sadistic cruel tendencies?


Yes, I would create new places for people to experience different ideas of heaven suitable to them.

Being all knowing, omnipotent, and all powerful, I would know how to make everybody happy, amused, entertained!

Also, another thing you have not considered, I would not create monsters that want to hurt people in the first place. People would not be afflicted with those temptations.

The big problem is, God has not made me omnipotent, so I am incapacitated in my ability to do any of the above, and God is my witness that I would do so!

 

[Spiderman]

But we must consider that not only is the man who feels no anxiety to avoid death incapable of being made a slave, but the same privilege belongs to those who are indifferent to poverty, and want of reputation, and pain, and all those other things which the generality of men look upon as evils, being themselves but evil judges of things, since they pronounce a man a slave from a computation of what things he has need of, look at the duties which he is compelled to perform, when they ought to look rather at his free and indomitable disposition; for the man who out of a lowly and slavish spirit submits himself to lowly and slavish actions in spite of his deliberate judgement, is really and truly a slave; but he who adapts his circumstance and actions to the present occasion, and who voluntarily and in an enduring spirit bears up against the events of fortune not looking at anything of human affairs as extraordinary, but having by diligent consideration fully assured himself that all divine things are honored by eternal order and happiness; and that all mortal things are tossed about in an everlasting storm and fluctuation of affairs so as to be subject to the greatest variety of changes and vicissitudes, and who, from those considerations, bears all that can befall him with noble courage, is at once both a philosopher and a free man. On which account he will neither obey every one who imposes a command upon him, not even if he threatens him with insults, and tortures, and even still more formidable evils; but he will bear a gallant spirit, and will cry out in reply to such menaces---

“Yes, burn and scorch my flesh, and glut your hate. Drinking my life-warm blood; for heaven’s stars shall quit their place, and darken ‘neath the earth, and earth rise up and take the place of heaven, before you wring from me a word of flattery.”​

What shall we say then? Shall we not look upon a wise man as more difficult to enslave than a lion, when he in his freedom and invincible soul has much more courage than any creature can have which consists of a body which is by nature a slave, however great his strength may be by which he resists his masters.

Philo, Every Good Man is Free.​

John

I'm actually not arguing against that.

What I am saying is that it is not a good thing that so many people are killing themselves , and so many people are confused, in agony, hopeless, powerless, feeling abandoned by god!

It is not a good thing that there are so many tortured souls, chronically tortured with temptations to do evil!

It is not a good thing that so many people feel abandoned by God and feel like he's not even there!

If God would speak up to the people who are seeking him, actually Shepherd them, heal people of mental and emotional disorders and addictions, there would be a lot better of a world we would live in, far less suicides, far less heartbreak, far more faith, prayers, and praise of God, less violence, more deeds of charity.

So let me ask you, you think all of the confusion and division and agony in our world, is an improvement over people seeing the truth, being able to hear audible clear messages from God, people with wisdom and understanding and knowledge, a people with purpose, no heartbreak... a people with joy, energy, passion, nuclear families, knowledge of what their job and vocation is supposed to be, knowledge of who is the right spouse, freedom from fear? How is that not an improvement over what we have?

 

[John D. Brey]

While at the same time trying to keep you comfortable and anesthetized!

“Yes, burn and scorch my flesh, and glut your hate. Drinking my life-warm blood; for heaven’s stars shall quit their place, and darken ‘neath the earth, and earth rise up and take the place of heaven, before you wring from me a word of flattery.”​

John

 

[Spiderman]

“Yes, burn and scorch my flesh, and glut your hate. Drinking my life-warm blood; for heaven’s stars shall quit their place, and darken ‘neath the earth, and earth rise up and take the place of heaven, before you wring from me a word of flattery.”​

John

I actually do not need a word of flattery from a sadist.

I'm not going to call you a sadist.

That is between you and God.

But anyone who would prefer death, destruction, war, famine, confusion, cancer, HIV, deformities, unwanted pregnancies, diseases, agony, violence, torture, people being paralyzed, people being blind, people being deaf, people falling error to heresy, oppressive regimes that robbed people have basic liberties and brainwash, suicides, disorders, etc. and anyone who would prefer that over a God who heals people, gives people instruction, and is a friend to people, appears to have sadistic tendencies.

I mean, can you give a premise that would rationally suggest otherwise?

If indeed you prefer all of those things I mentioned, I would not desire any flattery from such a person. You can keep the flattery to yourself.

To people who are compassionate and altruistic, and want to ease the world's misery and suffering, I appreciate compliments.

 

[John D. Brey]

I'm actually not arguing against that.

You may have missed the subtleness of what Philo is saying? From my perspective he's addressing the deepest concerns of your concern. He's saying that though the Chicoms might present themselves at the opening ceremonies of the Olympics as beautiful one-worlders with Lennon's Imagine playing in the background, in truth they may be despots and have less than universal goals and plans for the non-Chinese speaking world.

What if god is like that? Full of light, but a heart of darkness:

Someone came. Surely it was God, God . . . or was it the devil? Who can tell them apart? They exchange faces; God sometimes becomes all darkness, the devil all light, and the mind of man is left in the muddle.

Kazantzakis, The Last Temptation of Christ, 15.​

Philo is saying that the only way to judge a man or a God's true motives is not by what he has, owns, by how powerful, and downright ornery with wealth and health he is, but by the opposite: what will he endure before he will sell out not just his fellow man, but God himself.

There's an ancient story of a man who's the paragon of Philo's free man. Though he came to his own and was beaten and poked at and degraded, and though God stood by watching, this man, believing all mortal things are subject to various vicissitudes and questionable motives, being that they're merely mortal, and should not be the foundation, or source, for judging one's fellow man, their world, or their God, never flinched even unto death. "Though he slay me yet will I trust in him."

There are many foolish and unstable men who say, “See what a prosperous life that man hath, how rich and how great he is, how powerful, how exalted.” But lift up thine eyes to the good things of heaven, and thou shalt see that all these worldly things are nothing, they are utterly uncertain, yea, they are wearisome, because they are never possessed without care and fear. The happiness of man lieth not in the abundance of temporal things but a moderate portion sufficeth him. Our life upon the earth is verily wretchedness. The more a man desireth to be spiritual, the more bitter doth the present life become to him; because he the better understandeth and seeth the side effects of human corruption. For to eat, to drink, to watch, to sleep, to rest, to labour, and to be subject to the other necessities of nature, is truly a great wretchedness and affliction to a devout man who would feign be released and free from all sin.

Thomas Kempis, The Imitation of Christ.​

John

 

[Spiderman]

You may have missed the subtleness of what Philo is saying? From my perspective he's addressing the deepest concerns of your concern. He's saying that though the Chicoms might present themselves at the opening ceremonies of the Olympics as beautiful one-worlders with Lennon's Imagine playing in the background, in truth they may be despots and have less than universal goals and plans for the non-Chinese speaking world.

What if god is like that? Full of light, but a heart of darkness:

Someone came. Surely it was God, God . . . or was it the devil? Who can tell them apart? They exchange faces; God sometimes becomes all darkness, the devil all light, and the mind of man is left in the muddle.

Kazantzakis, The Last Temptation of Christ, 15.​

Philo is saying that the only way to judge a man or a God's true motives is not by what he has, owns, by how powerful, and downright ornery with wealth and health he is, but by the opposite: what will he endure before he will sell out not just his fellow man, but God himself.

There's an ancient story of a man who's the paragon of Philo's free man. Though he came to his own and was beaten and poked at and degraded, and though God stood by watching, this man, believing all mortal things are subject to various vicissitudes and questionable motives, being that they're merely mortal, and should not be the foundation, or source, for judging one's fellow man, their world, or their God, never flinched even unto death. "Though he slay me yet will I trust in him."

There are many foolish and unstable men who say, “See what a prosperous life that man hath, how rich and how great he is, how powerful, how exalted.” But lift up thine eyes to the good things of heaven, and thou shalt see that all these worldly things are nothing, they are utterly uncertain, yea, they are wearisome, because they are never possessed without care and fear. The happiness of man lieth not in the abundance of temporal things but a moderate portion sufficeth him. Our life upon the earth is verily wretchedness. The more a man desireth to be spiritual, the more bitter doth the present life become to him; because he the better understandeth and seeth the side effects of human corruption. For to eat, to drink, to watch, to sleep, to rest, to labour, and to be subject to the other necessities of nature, is truly a great wretchedness and affliction to a devout man who would feign be released and free from all sin.

Thomas Kempis, The Imitation of Christ.​

John

Fine , but why should I have such a great deal of love and fidelity to a God , who is more cruel and sadistic , than the average human being , and one of the worst fathers I've ever heard of??

Actually the worst! I have known wicked fathers, that if they saw their child getting sold into slavery or gang raped, or molested, the father would intervene and try to help.

Not to mention, God leaves people feeling like he isn't even there. What kind of a father is that? He leaves Christians confused, scared, divided, committing suicide, in desperation and despair!

In view of how insensitive, cruel, criminal, sadistic, mean, and everything God does that goes against my conscience, by what basis do I have to want to remain faithful to him?

By all means, there are many Christian virtues that I want , that I'm trying to obtain. But I do not see God doing the things that Christians are supposed to be doing. I do not see God showing an ounce of charity for humanity.

I know of a lot of human beings that if they had the wealth that God has, they would help the starving , the agonizing, the suicidal, and those in need of a friend.

It means that the average human being is more merciful and kind and charitable than our God!

So I'm asking you, on what basis do I have for being faithful to a sadistic monster??

 

[John D. Brey]

I actually do not need a word of flattery from a sadist.

I'm not going to call you a sadist.

That is between you and God.

But anyone who would prefer death, destruction, war, famine, confusion, cancer, HIV, deformities, unwanted pregnancies, diseases, agony, violence, torture, people being paralyzed, people being blind, people being deaf, people falling error to heresy, oppressive regimes that robbed people have basic liberties and brainwash, suicides, disorders, etc. and anyone who would prefer that over a God who heals people, gives people instruction, and is a friend to people, appears to have sadistic tendencies.

You're too young to have seen Eric Bogosian's Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll (though I'm sure it's on Youtube). On the other hand I'm old enough to have seen it live.

Bogosian's opening monologue was Kazantzakis-like and bizarre. Bogosian made fun of those who could worship a man who claimed to be the son of God, but whose God Father was far worse than Scorsese's God Father (oops Coppola). This man's Father apparently took pride in watching his son be tortured to death (Isaiah 53:10).

The irony in Bogosian's monologue was heavy duty since Bogosian was a Jew raised in the orthodoxy of atheistic, sex, drugs, and rock & roll. And as he monologued the the stupidity of those who worshiped said individual, a tear rolled down his face, like the cleaning girl in Get Out.

I don't know how many people in the audience understood the tear or the irony that powered the monologue?

As fate would have it, this Jewish, hell-raising atheist, who understood precisely how he looked in the eyes of others, had just recently had a dramatic conversion experience and considered himself, to his own pained amazement, a Christian. . .Point being that Bogosian knew what it's like to think people are looking in the wrong place for God. But he also knows what it's like to find love for God in all the wrong places.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

So I'm asking you, on what basis do I have for being faithful to a sadistic monster??

Perhaps love isn't subject to the scalpel of your sharp and undeniable logic. Maybe we don't get to choose whom we love? I only know that though he slay me, yet will I love him with all my heart and all my mind.

In the madness of love's initial drunkenness I determined to know nothing but Christ crucified. In the war that initially took place in my mind, I struggled with all my might to bring every scientific, historical, theological, logical, thought, into subject captivity to my new love, Christ, since in my conversion experience, painful though it was, every single thought endured the decapitation of life and limb without turning back to the world. So those thoughts are now my vanguard. If a scientific or logical thought endures more suffering than my vanguard, without flinching, or wiggling, or weaseling, then I allow it for a time, to see if it's as faithful as my vanguard?

The only thoughts I've ever had, that can endure crucifixion without selling out, are those thoughts that suffered crucifixion as I stood listening to a traveling evangelist crucifying those thoughts while he spoke of the one crucified. The Gospel message that day hung my epistemology out to dry and die but to my amazement it didn't die: it just transformed; my epistemology was instantly rehabilitated while I hung there with Christ during the evangelist's invitation.

I would place the desires of my soul in the open gates of Your death. . . I, a poor creature, taken captive by Thine anger, can do nothing before Thee; only I would bury myself in Your wounds and death. Oh great mercy of God, release me from the chains of the devil.

Jacob Boehme.​

John

 

[Spiderman]

Perhaps love isn't subject to the scalpel of your sharp and undeniable logic. Maybe we don't get to choose whom we love? I only know that though he slay me, yet will I love him with all my heart and all my mind.

In the madness of love's initial drunkenness I determined to know nothing but Christ crucified. In the war that initially took place in my mind, I struggled with all my might to bring every scientific, historical, theological, logical, thought, into subject captivity to my new love, Christ, since in my conversion experience, painful though it was, every single thought endured the decapitation of life and limb without turning back to the world. So those thoughts are now my vanguard. If a scientific or logical thought endures more suffering than my vanguard, without flinching, or wiggling, or weaseling, then I allow it for a time, to see if it's as faithful as my vanguard?

The only thoughts I've ever had, that can endure crucifixion without selling out, are those thoughts that suffered crucifixion as I stood listening to a traveling evangelist crucifying those thoughts while he spoke of the one crucified. The Gospel message that day hung my epistemology out to dry and die but to my amazement it didn't die: it just transformed; my epistemology was instantly rehabilitated while I hung there with Christ during the evangelist's invitation.

I would place the desires of my soul in the open gates of Your death. . . I, a poor creature, taken captive by Thine anger, can do nothing before Thee; only I would bury myself in Your wounds and death. Oh great mercy of God, release me from the chains of the devil.

Jacob Boehme.​

John

Keep loving your sadistic monster who is narcissistic and loves to torture people.

It isn't easy for me to love someone so cruel , cold-blooded!

 

[John D. Brey]

Keep loving your sadistic monster who is narcissistic and loves to torture people. . . It isn't easy for me to love someone so cruel , cold-blooded!

Have you been seeing my wife behind my back? I loved God long before I loved her. So I reckon I'm just a glutton for passion and punishment packaged up nicely together.



John

 

[Spiderman]

Th

Have you been seeing my wife behind my back? I loved God long before I loved her. So I reckon I'm just a glutton for passion and punishment packaged up nicely together. I wear my cross on my heart you might say.



John

Now that's funny!

 

[Spiderman]

Maybe you never read the Qur'an, as obvious as can be, and cherry pick and cut and paste to spread your hatred, but dont think others are as low level as you are. Maybe others read more than you.

Shintoism is the most murderous, genocidal religion in the world. It begins with it. Carries out with it. And promotes suicide.

Read up.

Cutting off hands and feet, pouring boiling water on people, burning people, torturing them, bigotry, and hate speech is never okay AND I CAN PROVE IT IS IN THE QURAN!

I ALREADY CAUGHT YOU IN A LIE BECAUSE YOU SAID THE SHINTO SCRIPTURES ARE ABOUT HATE , MURDER, AND GENOCIDE! THERE ARE NO SHINTO SCRIPTURES! I caught you lying!

There are no churches or synagogues or pagan structures in Saudi Arabia! It's illegal! That is total bigotry , hate, oppression, and brainwashing of the masses! It's sick and wrong! If I didn't object to it, I would be an apathetic coward, someone who doesn't care about evil , or some one who approves of tyranny! I give you facts! I speak against evil out of love!

I didn't say Islam as a Religion is evil however!

The sad thing about you is, you condemn me for pointing out obvious hate speech and bigotry! And you do so with total lies, falsehoods, and ridiculous statements like "Shinto was founded on murder, suicide violence", when Shinto is so ancient, you don't even know who founded Shinto.

Islam was founded by a Dictator and a terrorist! It's a historical fact!

In other words, you resort to lies! I resort to facts! Quite simply mate, YOU LOSE! Pathetic!

 

[firedragon]

Cutting off hands and feet, pouring boiling water on people

Murdering a whole race mate. Genocide. Torture. Suicide. Killing is the basis and foundation of your religion. Anyone who commits suicide is great. Someone tries to commit suicide that place is divine.

Your religion was born of genocide mate.

 

[Spiderman]

Murdering a whole race mate. Genocide. Torture. Suicide. Killing is the basis and foundation of your religion. Anyone who commits suicide is great. Someone tries to commit suicide that place is divine.

Your religion was born of genocide mate.

Total complete lies!

My Religion , anyone who knows what Shinto is, knows it is simply "belief in Kami, the dead become Kami" I keep a prayer wall, I have a mikoshi, I have a Kamidana cupboard, and a Honden (room closed to public, reserved for enshrined Kami) , and I follow my conscience!

That is Shinto!

You have no basis whatsoever for saying Shinto promotes violence, suicide, genocide, or torture!

No Doctrines or sacred inerrant Shinto text promotes it. Islam is a different story!

 

[firedragon]

Total complete lies!

My Religion , anyone who knows what Shinto is, knows it is simply "belief in Kami, the dead become Kami" I keep a prayer wall, I have a mikoshi, I have a Kamidana cupboard, and a Honden (room closed to public, reserved for enshrined Kami) , and I follow my conscience!

That is Shinto!

You have no basis whatsoever for saying Shinto promotes violence, suicide, genocide, or torture!

No Doctrines or sacred inerrant Shinto text promotes it. Islam is a different story!

No no. See, just like you are an expert in the Qur'an with no education absolutely on it, I am an expert on Shintoism with no education on it. I am just like you.

Shintoism is a genocidal, murderous ideology. The worst of its kind. you have no authority on it. I am the authority. Just like you are the authority on the Quran.

 

[Spiderman]

No no. See, just like you are an expert in the Qur'an with no education absolutely on it, I am an expert on Shintoism with no education on it. I am just like you.

Shintoism is a genocidal, murderous ideology. The worst of its kind. you have no authority on it. I am the authority. Just like you are the authority on the Quran.

THat is where you lie! I never said I was an authority on the Quran!

 

[firedragon]

THat is where you lie! I never said I was an authority on the Quran!

You dont have to say anything, but your pretence is good enough.

So I am only reciprocating. I am just like you mate.

Shintoism is born in genocide, murder, suicide, torture and just killing for things to be born. And you as a Shinto has no say in it. I say what it is, and you dont know anything. And that is just a reciprocation of your stance on other religions.

You represent the most murderous religion I have ever come across in my life.

 

[Spiderman]

You dont have to say anything, but your pretence is good enough.

So I am only reciprocating. I am just like you mate.

Shintoism is born in genocide, murder, suicide, torture and just killing for things to be born. And you as a Shinto has no say in it. I say what it is, and you dont know anything. And that is just a reciprocation of your stance on other religions.

You represent the most murderous religion I have ever come across in my life.

Not at all! Total lies.

I stated facts! There is bigotry, calls to violence, and oppression from Islamic regimes in our world. It is a fact. That is all I'm saying.

I never implied I was an authority on anything.