There should be no atheists!

[firedragon]

Not at all! Total lies.

I stated facts! There is bigotry, calls to violence, and oppression from Islamic regimes in our world. It is a fact. That is all I'm saying.

I never implied I was an authority on anything.

Hmm. But see, you are actually claiming to be the ultimate authority. You are not prepared to listen to anyone. All you aim is to demonise a religion with knowledge that can be equated to a child. Your aim is to insult others and feel good.

Mate. Your religion, Shintoism is the most murderous, genocidal, suicidal, religion in the world, that I have come across. You dont deserve scholarship but only rhetorical hatred you are distributing yourself.

 

[1213]

Im not forcing you to believe. If I showed you my face and spoke regularly, what basis would you have to believe I did not exist??

Ok, and I think now we come to the meaningful place. I could believe you exist, but I wouldn't keep you as my God. What is the point in knowing God exists, if one does not keep Him as ones God?

 

[Spiderman]

Ok, and I think now we come to the meaningful place. I could believe you exist, but I wouldn't keep you as my God. What is the point in knowing God exists, if one does not keep Him as ones God?

I would not force anyone to keep me as their God. I would give them eternal bliss, pleasure, fun, intoxication, amusement, and entertainment, outside of my kingdom, where they don't have to be around or love me.

 

[Koldo]

Ok, and I think now we come to the meaningful place. I could believe you exist, but I wouldn't keep you as my God. What is the point in knowing God exists, if one does not keep Him as ones God?

What's the point in believing that I exist but not worshipping me?

 

[1213]

...I would give them eternal bliss, pleasure, fun, intoxication, amusement, and entertainment....

What if they would want to know evil?

 

[Spiderman]

What if they would want to know evil?

I could create a place where there's kings and queens of dark humor , and all kinds of fun, where you can even do dark sinister things to entertain yourself, while at the same time everybody is intoxicated and full of euphoria, nobody suffers, and dying is extremely fun, and you resurrect from the dead , and get to do it again, and everybody's happy and enjoys themselves, full of surprises, full of laughter and amusement! No suffering!

 

[1213]

...No suffering!

Then I don’t think they would know evil.

 

[KWED]

No .. atheists exist because human beings exist.

Indeed, without people telling us that there is a god that created everything and demands worship, there would be no need to explain why such a claim is nonsense.

There is no such thing as an atheist dog or cat.

Indeed. Dogs and cats are like humans before they have been indoctrinated into a religion.They have no concept of religious gods or their rules and demands, so the concept of rejecting them is illogical.

 

[KWED]

It’s not as if Jesus, the All-powerful Creator and King of kings needs a force field when He can slay His enemies with a word.

Remind me how that worked out at Golgotha?

 

[KWED]

God’s ultimate judgement will put to death all sin and evil which disrupts the peace. There will be no sin in the new heaven and earth.

Why not do that from the beginning? No need for a "new earth" then.
It's like a doctor saying he can eradicate cancer but he's not going to bother yet. He's either lying or a sociopath.

 

[Spiderman]

Why not do that from the beginning? No need for a "new earth" then.
It's like a doctor saying he can eradicate cancer but he's not going to bother yet. He's either lying or a sociopath.

Amen! Preach it!

 

[InChrist]

Remind me how that worked out at Golgotha?

It worked out exactly according to God’s plan that He would die and pay for the sins of the world...

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father. John 10:17-18

 

[InChrist]

Why not do that from the beginning? No need for a "new earth" then.
It's like a doctor saying he can eradicate cancer but he's not going to bother yet. He's either lying or a sociopath.

He did do it in the beginning, too bad humans always have to learn the hard way and didn’t listen to God’s wisdom and simple instruction. Instead, did their own thing and brought damage upon themselves and the planet.
Now the results are obvious to see and once again the choice or option is available to choose more wisely.
Time is short, eternity isn’t.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It worked out exactly according to God’s plan that He would die and pay for the sins of the world...

G-d is the All-Powerful creator.
G-d cannot die. G-d does not sleep. G-d does not eat.

 

[KWED]

It worked out exactly according to God’s plan that He would die and pay for the sins of the world...

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father. John 10:17-18

So even though Jesus is invincible, he isn't allowed to use that invincibility and had to die - therefore showing that he is not invincible.

 

[KWED]

He did do it in the beginning, too bad humans always have to learn the hard way and didn’t listen to God’s wisdom and simple instruction. Instead, did their own thing and brought damage upon themselves and the planet.
Now the results are obvious to see and once again the choice or option is available to choose more wisely.
Time is short, eternity isn’t.

So if god's perfect creation can be corrupted:
1. It wasn't perfect.
2. The new earth can also be corrupted.

 

[KWED]

G-d is the All-Powerful creator.
G-d cannot die. G-d does not sleep. G-d does not eat.

You need to remember that you and InChrist have different versions of god. Yours is not theirs and theirs is not yours. It's like you insisting that their dog can't walk on two legs because yours can't. Their god can do more stuff than yours. That is all.

 

[InChrist]

So even though Jesus is invincible, he isn't allowed to use that invincibility and had to die - therefore showing that he is not invincible.

He CHOSE to die...so you wouldn’t have pay the penalty of eternal death.
And the rest of the account is; Jesus rose from the dead and offers eternal life.

 

[InChrist]

So if god's perfect creation can be corrupted:
1. It wasn't perfect.
2. The new earth can also be corrupted.

The earth was corrupted by humans choosing to sin. The new heaven and new earth will only be populated by those who have learned from their experience here on this fallen earth, realized the damage of sin, freely admitted their own sins and freely asked Jesus to forgive & save them, and freely trusted Him for a new transformed eternal life. Those who live the new heaven & earth will no longer have any desire to sin, so corruption will not happen again.

 

[lukethethird]

The earth was corrupted by humans choosing to sin. The new heaven and new earth will only be populated by those who have learned from their experience here on this fallen earth, realized the damage of sin, freely admitted their own sins and freely asked Jesus to forgive & save them, and freely trusted Him for a new transformed eternal life. Those who live the new heaven & earth will no longer have any desire to sin, so corruption will not happen again.

So you claim.