There should be no atheists!

[Spiderman]

I think the murderous God of Shintoism, who has inspired suicide left right and centre everywhere in your religion, should answer for the inspiration of every hatred towards religion. But atheists are all not like you you see. Most atheists are peace loving individuals who just get on with their lives.

But you have to account for your God being born with blatant murder and suicide instigation. What with every good thing being born out of suicide? Its absolutely dangerous. Suicide everywhere. Murder and genocide everywhere in your religion.

Incredible your ignorance!

There is not a current Shinto Theocracy oppressing millions. Your Religion oppresses hundreds of millions.

There is no sacred inerrant Shinto text where a God commands any violence at all. Your sacred text is inerrant, and glorifies torture, amputations, jihad, and bigotry.

Also, your hypocrisy is of epic proportions! Shinto is simply "Belief in the Kami". You believe in Allah who is Kami (Spirit/God), and you believe in Angels, so you already believe in what is required to believe to be an authentic Shinto. So your condemnation of Shinto, is condemnation of what you believe. Bad move!

The difference between Shinto and your Religion, is Shinto does not have an inerrant scripture text or Doctrines that commands bigotry and violence.

You on the other hand have that!

So, your pointing the finger at Shinto caused you to condemn yourself! Not wise!

 

[Spiderman]

Even if [he] just showed up here and there with a friendly word and a miracle or two for the cameras, the impact would be enormous.
Were I God there'd be substantial falls in human stupidity, human indifference, accidents, diseases, congenital defects, psychological discomforts and disorders, unemployment, homelessness, dirty politics, interpersonal violence and abuse, international tensions, inequality of peoples, inequality of opportunity, disinformation, that kind of thing. Oh, and poverty, of course.

And when that was sorted, I'd move onto parking tickets, waiting lists, bad weather, lost keys, and I'd also have suggestion boxes in convenient places.
I never doubted for a moment.
I'm more than happy to leave that part to you. I worry it'd get very dull after just a few centuries.
Dang right!

If it weren't for God, there couldn't be atheists!

Being all knowing and all powerful, I would know how to keep you euphoric, amused, and entertained for centuries.

How could you call that dull? I would give you beautiful islands, Island girls with perfect bodies and breasts, or whatever you desire, keep you excited, with healthy euphoric chemicals to consume, drink, and smoke, and each day full of surprises, and you would evolve constantly into something greater, with new amusement, fun, and entertainment!

Are you certain that would get dull though, if your funny bone was tickled, and you were laughing hysterically each day, with beautiful islands, island girls, and fun!

 

[firedragon]

There is not a current Shinto Theocracy oppressing millions.

But it was built on murder, genocide, and suicide everywhere and in every principle.

 

[Wildswanderer]

f God actually did his job as a Father, friend, and Shepherd, HUGE atheist regimes like the Soviet Union wouldn't rise, and there would NOT be atheists. Every one would be A Theist!

This much is obvious!

Ridiculous. You can be the best father ever and still have children who rebel. It's called freedom and without it nothing matters.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Your Religion oppresses hundreds of millions.

Religion doesn't oppress people. That would be people.

I see that the accusers are the ones that claim "they are peacemakers", while in fact they support ideologies that have caused enmity in the first place.
eg. fraudulent, financial scam on a massive scale

 

[Spiderman]

But it was built on murder, genocide, and suicide everywhere and in every principle.

You are so full of obvious falsehoods, I have no clue why I even bother responding to your EXTREMELY ignorant statements.

Shinto is belief in Spirits, and the first Shinto shrines were trees, caves, bodies of water, and places in nature where Kami (Spirits) were believed to dwell. The first Shinto adherents simply prayed to and honored Spirits, God, and ancestors in nature.

There is no known founder of Shinto stating violence is okay, so your statement is preposterous! There is no inerrant Shinto text commanding violence!

When Shinto adherents committed violence, that doesn't make it okay, but it was usually over natural resources and land, not to oppress and outlaw other Religions, like with Islam.

Because there is only two infallible Dogmas and no Scripture , save for "Belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami", Shinto does not condemn other Religions, because other Religions already believe in Kami.

The ignorant messages contained in your posts are so pathetic and out there, it's pointless having a debate with you!

 

[firedragon]

You are so full of obvious falsehoods, I have no clue why I even bother responding to your EXTREMELY ignorant statements.

Shinto is belief in Spirits, and the first Shinto shrines were trees, caves, bodies of water, and places in nature where Kami (Spirits) were believed to dwell. The first Shinto adherents simply prayed to and honored Spirits, God, and ancestors in nature.

There is no known founder of Shinto stating violence is okay, so your statement is preposterous! There is no inerrant Shinto text commanding violence!

When Shinto adherents committed violence, that doesn't make it okay, but it was usually over natural resources and land, not to oppress and outlaw other Religions, like with Islam.

Because there is only two infallible Dogmas and no Scripture , save for "Belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami", Shinto does not condemn other Religions, because other Religions already believe in Kami.

The ignorant messages contained in your posts are so pathetic and out there, it's pointless having a debate with you!

This is not Shintoism. You are creating your own religion today, just in order to insult other religions and feel good about yourself, but ignoring what Shintoism really is.

Why not call your religion Spiderman instead of calling it Shintoism because you have created your own thing, but insists on "Islam is Spiderman bogus version of Islam"?

Shintoism is founded on murder, genocide and suicide. Maybe you should first read up on your own religion rather than pretending to be a scholar in other peoples religions.

 

[Spiderman]

This is not Shintoism. You are creating your own religion today, just in order to insult other religions and feel good about yourself, but ignoring what Shintoism really is.

Why not call your religion Spiderman instead of calling it Shintoism because you have created your own thing, but insists on "Islam is Spiderman bogus version of Islam"?

Shintoism is founded on murder, genocide and suicide. Maybe you should first read up on your own religion rather than pretending to be a scholar in other peoples religions.

It is Shinto as Shinto was originally practiced! Your ignorance is incredible, to the point it's simply pitiful!

Also, I never stated what Islam is (in it's ultimate essence and intrinsic nature), or that it is evil. I'm stating there are Islamic regimes and Theocracies oppressing hundreds of millions of people, robbing them of basic liberties in the 21st century. That is actually a fact!.

I also stated there is much bigotry in the Quran , and harsh repetitive judgement and condemnation of Jews, Christians, Polytheists, or those who join associates with God. All one has to do is read the Quran and know that is fact.

There are graphic tortures, amputation of limbs, and crucifixion in store for enemies of God's messenger in the Quran.

I have stated facts! You on the other hand state such completely ridiculous falsehoods, I simply don't know what the purpose is of conversing with such a person. It is pathetic!

 

[Nakosis]

If God actually did his job as a Father, friend, and Shepherd, HUGE atheist regimes like the Soviet Union wouldn't rise, and there would NOT be atheists. Every one would be A Theist!

This much is obvious!

Were I God, people would see my face and hear my voice!

What percentage of the world population would NOT BELIEVE IN ME??

I think we can all agree that there is a poster at this website named spiderman. Some of you have seen my Spider YouTubes and can verify I'm the guy in the avatar.

Some might disagree as to how ugly I am , but I think we can all agree that I exist.

The same would be true if I were God. You could see my ugly face and hear my words, because I would want all souls to believe in me and avoid being tossed into a lake of fire.

Each soul has one short life on this earth, and God is love, so I want you all in heaven with me.

So, rationally, using common friggin sense and reason, I would show you my face, send you emails and YouTube's, appear to you, have a Divine Twitter account as well, and being omnipresent, I would appear to everyone, and speak to them.

Who would not believe in me??

How many atheists would there be in our world if I were God??

Therefore, God is the reason for Atheism, God is at fault for Atheism!

It is a DIRECT consequence of what he did and continues to fail to do!!

But I love you lord! I just don't like your choices! Blessed be God forever!

Choose the best answer in the poll!

Perhaps you couldn't be God if you were knowable.

Maybe being unknowable as God is a matter of fact, not one of choice.
You may as well criticize water for being wet.
"If I was water, I would not be wet".

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

False dichotomy.

Did you ever consider the notion that perhaps we knowingly make certain choices that cause us pain because there are certain experiences that are inextricably linked to it? One couldn't possibly support the OP without presuming that pain and suffering is bad while lack of pain and suffering is good.

And somehow I'm the one accused of making a false dichotomy.

Again...coddling.

 

[Koldo]

Did you ever consider the notion that perhaps we knowingly make certain choices that cause us pain because there are certain experiences that are inextricably linked to it?

Exemplify.
Yes, I have thought about this before but so far I have seen no case where the pain is actually inextricably linked to what we seek.

 

[Spiderman]

The first line was fine too.
The fact you disagreed with it is absolutely irrelevant as to whether it was fine.

Interesting take on that. Thank you!

 

[Spiderman]

Ridiculous. You can be the best father ever and still have children who rebel. It's called freedom and without it nothing matters.

Wrong!
I never said anything about that. I said people would believe I existed. I didn't say they would not rebel. Your post makes no sense!

 

[Spiderman]

True


Here you make a claim

Can you prove that Atheism is a "fault"?

IF you can't prove it THEN better not claim it

If indeed God wants people to believe in him, that means he prefers people are NOT atheists. That would mean God finds fault with Atheism. Can you see what I'm trying to say??

 

[firedragon]

It is Shinto as Shinto was originally practiced! Your ignorance is incredible, to the point it's simply pitiful!

Also, I never stated what Islam is (in it's ultimate essence and intrinsic nature), or that it is evil. I'm stating there are Islamic regimes and Theocracies oppressing hundreds of millions of people, robbing them of basic liberties in the 21st century. That is actually a fact!.

I also stated there is much bigotry in the Quran , and harsh repetitive judgement and condemnation of Jews, Christians, Polytheists, or those who join associates with God. All one has to do is read the Quran and know that is fact.

There are graphic tortures, amputation of limbs, and crucifixion in store for enemies of God's messenger in the Quran.

I have stated facts! You on the other hand state such completely ridiculous falsehoods, I simply don't know what the purpose is of conversing with such a person. It is pathetic!

There is so much bigotry, genocide, and inspiration for suicide in shintoism mate.

You are just changing your own religion just for you to spread hatred of other religions.

Why not honestly learn about other theologies rather than trying your best to spread hatred? Just try a little. You making up your own Shintoism, and making new claims, and insulting other religions is just useless. Just an attempt at spreading hatred.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Exemplify.

Basically the corpus of human experience in general.

Yes, I have thought about this before but so far I have seen no case where the pain is actually inextricably linked to what we seek.

That's why I said it can be inextricably linked to the experience. Think non-causal. Consciousness doesn't seem to "care" one way or another. And whatever you conceive God to be (or not to be), why should he care? I see him to be that consciousness. And ultimately, you can't really appreciate the quality of not suffering without experiencing suffering. It does seem to be a point of juxtaposition, which means that suffering may be an inextricable quality of existence (which would make sense given how pervasive it is). My perception is that the only reason to actively avoid suffering is if you know there is nothing to gain, but so often the experiences go hand-in-hand. You can tell a child not to stick objects into an outlet a million times and wax on and on to them why it's a bad idea, but until that bolt of electricity courses through their body, they really don't know WHY. To me, the question ultimately isn't how to eliminate suffering, but how to learn from its causes and disentangle said causes from any false expectations that said causes inevitably cause suffering.

 

[Spiderman]

There is so much bigotry, genocide, and inspiration for suicide in shintoism mate.

You are just changing your own religion just for you to spread hatred of other religions.

Why not honestly learn about other theologies rather than trying your best to spread hatred? Just try a little. You making up your own Shintoism, and making new claims, and insulting other religions is just useless. Just an attempt at spreading hatred.

The only Doctrine in Shinto is "Belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami". How is that hateful or violent??

Shinto has no prophets who are without error, no text that is considered "without error ( inspired by the Kami)" that says violence for religious reasons and oppression is okay. You lost the argument mate! Do you ever get tired of appearing so incompetent in a debate?

You tell me, which founder of Shinto preached hate and violence?? If you can answer that question, I will leave Shinto!

Also, pointing out hate speech, calls to violence, and graphic tortures and mutilations in the Quran, is not hate speech!

That would be like saying: "people who say Adolf Hitler's writings stir up hate and bigotry, are stirring up hate and bigotry". You make no sense!

I said hundreds of millions of people are oppressed by Islamic regimes and Theocracies
That is fact!

I said the Quran has bigotry, calls to violence, and graphic tortures and mutilations. That is fact!

Your claim Shinto was founded on violence, hate, and suicide, is total and complete falsehood and absolutely ludicrous! You would need to provide innerant Shinto Scriptures and Dogma promoting that! WHICH YOU FAILED TO DO!

 

[muhammad_isa]

I said the Quran has bigotry, calls to violence, and graphic tortures and mutilations. That is fact!

Yes .. but it doesn't promote hate & violence .. it responds to it.

Fortunately, there will be no need of violence if we avoid disbelief and its consequences.

Those who love violence are not attracted towards truth.
What would be the point, as paradise for ever means no violence for ever?

 

[firedragon]

The only Doctrine in Shinto is "Belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami". How is that hateful or violent??

Thats your created version. Its your own thing.

Every tom dick and harry can create his own thing and say "I am white, you are all dirty".

Absolutely invalid.

I am using your own standards.

Your religion is as murderous as murder, genocide and promoting suicide as could be.

 

[Koldo]

Basically the corpus of human experience in general.

Further elaborate.
I can think of different ways to reply to this, but I am not sure what exactly you mean by this. Why do you see the human experience being inextricably linked to suffering?

That's why I said it can be inextricably linked to the experience. Think non-causal. Consciousness doesn't seem to "care" one way or another.

Care about what? How did you reach this conclusion? Why does it matter if the consciousness cares or not? Context, please.

And whatever you conceive God to be (or not to be), why should he care?

Why shouldn't he?
Why does it even matter as far as it being a false dichotomy to claim that either we have to live forever in a cradle OR having room to learn?

I see him to be that consciousness. And ultimately, you can't really appreciate the quality of not suffering without experiencing suffering.

Prove it.

It does seem to be a point of juxtaposition, which means that suffering may be an inextricable quality of existence (which would make sense given how pervasive it is). My perception is that the only reason to actively avoid suffering is if you know there is nothing to gain, but so often the experiences go hand-in-hand. You can tell a child not to stick objects into an outlet a million times and wax on and on to them why it's a bad idea, but until that bolt of electricity courses through their body, they really don't know WHY. To me, the question ultimately isn't how to eliminate suffering, but how to learn from its causes and disentangle said causes from any false expectations that said causes inevitably cause suffering.

The question was never about eliminating suffering, it was always about preventing it.