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"There was nothing before Islam"?

xkatz

Well-Known Member
I found this video about the pre-Islamic Middle East and Muhammad:

[youtube]m64tVi_rrLo[/youtube]
YouTube - There was nothing before Islam!

I want to know your perspective, whether you agree with the person's view or not and why...

Was there truly little to no "culture" at this time?
 
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I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
There was plenty culture before Islam... You have to remember that Muhammad was not even alive until around 570 AD. There were a number of civilizations in the Middle East before this time, most notably Mesopotamia, Syria, and Persia. These people were already civilized and had built up an entire culture of their own before Islam was even a concept. These places had written language, a religious structure, their own unique types of music and entertainment, I'd say you could call that a culture. It's just plain arrogant of Muslims to believe they "civilized" the Middle East.
 

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
I found this video about the pre-Islamic Middle East and Muhammad:
[youtube]m64tVi_rrLo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64tVi_rrLo&feature=related
....
I want to know your perspective, whether you agree with the person's view or not and why...

Was there truly little to no "culture" at this time?

It absolutely mystifies me why so many Muslims insist on stating this BS as fact, especially when the contrary is already well known history.

I've argued with Muslims on line that claim that, besides embryonic sciences, everything from the atom to a heliocentric universe is mentioned in their scriptures.

Everything they claim is Islamic in nature either originated in the ME prior to Islam, or was created elsewhere, such as the idea of the atom.

The Big Thing recently on another forum I frequent was our "jury system invented by Muslims". :facepalm:
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Yes and they also think Islam came before Judaism and Christianity, funny enough. Although, history states otherwise.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I found this video about the pre-Islamic Middle East and Muhammad:

[youtube]m64tVi_rrLo[/youtube]
YouTube - There was nothing before Islam!

I want to know your perspective, whether you agree with the person's view or not and why...

Was there truly little to no "culture" at this time?

Didn't watch the video; won't comment on his point of view.

I do know that the Qur'an has been regarded as the beginning of Arabic poetry; but even that's a big generalization. Either way.. it was quite a influence on culture.
 

maro

muslimah
I do know that the Qur'an has been regarded as the beginning of Arabic poetry; but even that's a big generalization.

I don't think so...the arabs were fluent poets by instinct long before the quranic revealation...we even study what we call "the jahili poetry " in some of our arabic lessons at school
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I don't think so...the arabs were fluent poets by instinct long before the quranic revealation...we even study what we call "the jahili poetry " in some of our arabic lessons at school

I see. Sorry for my ignorance - it's what happens when I hear American's talk about it. ;)

Looked into a bit as well...


AH! So much history I was not aware of!

"Ghaylan ibn 'Uqbah (c. 696 - c. 735), nicknamed Dhu al-Rummah, is usually regarded as the last of the Bedouin poets. His works had continued the themes and style of the pre-Islamic poets particularly eulogising the harsh but simple desert life, traditionally recited round a campfire. Although such themes continued and were returned to by many modern, urban poets, this poetic life was giving way to court poets. The more settled, comfortable and luxurious life in Ummayyad courts led to a greater emphasis on the ghazal or love poem. Chief amongst this new breed of poet was Abu Nuwas. Not only did Abu Nuwas spoof the traditional poetic form of the qasida and write many poems in praise of wine, his main occupation was the writing of ever more ribald ghazal many of them openly homosexual.

While Nuwas produced risqué but beautiful poems, many of which pushed to the limit what was acceptable under Islam, others produced more religiously themed poetry. It is said that Nuwas struck a bargain with his contemporary Abu al-Alahijah: Abu Nuwas would concentrate on wine and love poems whilst al-Alahijah would write homilies. These homilies expressed views on religion, sin and the afterlife, but occasionally strayed into unorthodox territory. While the work of al-Alahijah was acceptable, others such as the poet Salih ibn 'Abd al-Quddus were executed for heresy. Waddah al-Yaman, now the national poet of Yemen, was also executed for his verse, but this was probably due to his over-familiarity with the wife of the caliph Al-Walid I."


-Wiki!
 

kai

ragamuffin
Didn't watch the video; won't comment on his point of view.

I do know that the Qur'an has been regarded as the beginning of Arabic poetry; but even that's a big generalization. Either way.. it was quite a influence on culture.

The Quran is not the begining of Arab poetry, where did you get that idea?





P.S. sorry jumped in their before i saw your other post
 

I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
I see. Sorry for my ignorance - it's what happens when I hear American's talk about it. ;)

Looked into a bit as well...


AH! So much history I was not aware of!

"Ghaylan ibn 'Uqbah (c. 696 - c. 735), nicknamed Dhu al-Rummah, is usually regarded as the last of the Bedouin poets. His works had continued the themes and style of the pre-Islamic poets particularly eulogising the harsh but simple desert life, traditionally recited round a campfire. Although such themes continued and were returned to by many modern, urban poets, this poetic life was giving way to court poets. The more settled, comfortable and luxurious life in Ummayyad courts led to a greater emphasis on the ghazal or love poem. Chief amongst this new breed of poet was Abu Nuwas. Not only did Abu Nuwas spoof the traditional poetic form of the qasida and write many poems in praise of wine, his main occupation was the writing of ever more ribald ghazal many of them openly homosexual.

While Nuwas produced risqué but beautiful poems, many of which pushed to the limit what was acceptable under Islam, others produced more religiously themed poetry. It is said that Nuwas struck a bargain with his contemporary Abu al-Alahijah: Abu Nuwas would concentrate on wine and love poems whilst al-Alahijah would write homilies. These homilies expressed views on religion, sin and the afterlife, but occasionally strayed into unorthodox territory. While the work of al-Alahijah was acceptable, others such as the poet Salih ibn 'Abd al-Quddus were executed for heresy. Waddah al-Yaman, now the national poet of Yemen, was also executed for his verse, but this was probably due to his over-familiarity with the wife of the caliph Al-Walid I."


-Wiki!

You should definitely look further into it, Arab history taps a wealth of information and interesting facts. I had a roommate from Morocco that I would discuss Arab history at length with, and I learned that fascinated me. Always good to learn from different cultures, it helps you to understand better why yours is unique.
 
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