There's no evidence that there is a creator?

[Audie]

It appears that all that you have is confirmation bias. You can only "convince" those that already believe. Other religions have very similar evidence to yours. You need to ask yourself why that evidence does not change your mind and then compare it to your own evidence.

Like the girl who annouced that the autumn leaf was sent by
god to represent the trinity.

 

[shunyadragon]

Where are the other miracles, now?

As I said, from the human perspective we cannot claim miracles and their Divine cause. The Baha'i Faith rejects the appearance of miracles as proof, witness nor evidence of God nor Revelation from God.

 

[Audie]

As I said, from the human perspective we cannot claim miracles and their Divine cause. The Baha'i Faith rejects the appearance of miracles as proof, witness nor evidence of God nor Revelation from God.

So.....you wont convert to LDS?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So.....you wont convert to LDS?

Is that anything like LSD?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Is that anything like LSD?

Not quite. LSD sends you on a trip for 8 hours. LDS sends you on a trip for 2 years.

 

[shunyadragon]

So.....you wont convert to LDS?

No gold tablets, and a phony Book of Mormon.

 

[Audie]

No gold tablets, and a phony Book of Mormon.

Hard to find a more ridiculous story, except for other miracles.

 

[shunyadragon]

Hard to find a more ridiculous story, except for other miracles.

I have not made any claims of miracles. Though @KenS and @PopeADope consider their claims of miracles to be evidence for their beliefs, and all of them are of highly questionable provenance.

 

[savagewind]

It appears that all that you have is confirmation bias. You can only "convince" those that already believe. Other religions have very similar evidence to yours. You need to ask yourself why that evidence does not change your mind and then compare it to your own evidence.

I am not talking about any religion. I can see that there is some truth in all religions. I have said that I see evidence of a creator, not of a religious figure.

 

[savagewind]

Foresight?!?!?! There has been nothing found in the nature of our physical existence that is not explainable by Natural Laws,

Each little thing can be explained by natural laws. What is the natural law that explains how all together it works just fine?

 

[savagewind]

I am by no means telling you what you should and shouldn't do. What I will say is that this is what a lot of fellow atheists keep seeing. We see all these theists claiming they have evidence, but then they suddenly become quiet when we ask to see it.

LOL. It is all around you!

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL. It is all around you!

That is what those who have no evidence say far too often.

 

[savagewind]

That is what those who have no evidence say far too often.

Too often? Like some perfect life that we have observed? Too often? LOL
I find peace in looking at a valley. OMG! Even by looking at a picture of a valley. A waterfall. That too. Oh, babies are just grand. Aren't they? I was amazed that my grandbaby came out without any seeable defect because OMG! all that can and does go wrong. I am defected though. Tell me, please, how do I know that I am? What is the reason that I know when I have made a mistake? Oh, yes, you will say society is why. I don't believe you. I know when I have done wrong because there is Spirit. Spirit means thought. Doesn't it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Too often? Like some perfect life that we have observed? Too often? LOL
I find peace in looking at a valley. OMG! Even by looking at a picture of a valley. A waterfall. That too. Oh, babies are just grand. Aren't they? I was amazed that my grandbaby came out without any seeable defect because OMG! all that can and does go wrong. I am defected though. Tell me, please, how do I know that I am? What is the reason that I know when I have made a mistake? Oh, yes, you will say society is why. I don't believe you. I know when I have done wrong because there is Spirit. Spirit means thought. Doesn't it?

An argument from ignorance at best. I could just as easily claim it is evidence against the idea of a god. Evidence needs to be independent. That means that others need to be able to agree with you or be demonstrated to be wrong. With poorly defined evidence as you have presented there will be little agreement and one will not be able to show that the other is wrong.

 

[savagewind]

An argument from ignorance at best. I could just as easily claim it is evidence against the idea of a god.

Good point! Of the billions upon billions of [we do not know what to call it] satisfactory conclusions of A plus B equals C there are many fewer examples of A plus B does not equal C.

Evidence needs to be independent.

How very, very cute. And, we wonder if you can know that.?

That means that others need to be able to agree

LOL I love a good joke!

with you or be demonstrated to be wrong.

Can you do that?

With poorly defined evidence as you have presented there will be little agreement and one will not be able to show that the other is wrong.

That is so true! How do you do it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good point! Of the billions upon billions of [we do not know what to call it] satisfactory conclusions of A plus B equals C there are many fewer examples of A plus B does not equal C.


How very, very cute. And, we wonder if you can know that.?



LOL I love a good joke!

Can you do that?

That is so true! How do you do it?

So you have no evidence. You know it and I know it, why should anyone believe you?

 

[shunyadragon]

Too often? Like some perfect life that we have observed? Too often? LOL
I find peace in looking at a valley. OMG! Even by looking at a picture of a valley. A waterfall. That too. Oh, babies are just grand. Aren't they? I was amazed that my grandbaby came out without any seeable defect because OMG! all that can and does go wrong. I am defected though. Tell me, please, how do I know that I am? What is the reason that I know when I have made a mistake? Oh, yes, you will say society is why. I don't believe you. I know when I have done wrong because there is Spirit. Spirit means thought. Doesn't it?

I agree with @Subduction Zone this response (rant) is not meaningful, because of the sketchy 'argument for ignorance' you are appealing to justify your belief..

 

[shunyadragon]

I am not talking about any religion. I can see that there is some truth in all religions. I have said that I see evidence of a creator, not of a religious figure.

This creates a high fog index for the apparent fact that you are arguing from a Biblical Christian perspective.

 

[shunyadragon]

Each little thing can be explained by natural laws. What is the natural law that explains how all together it works just fine?

Again, a vague sketchy attempt at an 'argument from ignorance.' It is fundamentally factual basis that all our objective evidence demonstrates that there is no apparent cause for anything other than 'Natural Laws.' You ask what is the natural law that explains how all together just fine?

The philosophical response to what is ultimate 'Natural Law' is 'Turtles all the way down.' Of course, this is unknown, but not an argument for anything.

No problem with a set of Natural Laws that are objectively determined by science that at present explain all known observation of our physical existence. There are of course unknowns in the nature of our physical existence, but this has always been the incentive for science to explore the unknowns throughout the history of science.

 

[shunyadragon]

LOL. It is all around you!

What is all around us?!?!? A very natural world explained well by natural laws.

What is the evidence that there is any other cause or explanation?