They Lied Repeatedly and Intentionally

[Jose Fly]

Just in the last few weeks we've learned that...

The Trump campaign hired a research firm to investigate their "election fraud" claims, but when the firm found that the claims weren't true, they buried the report and continued to repeat the lies.

Trump campaign paid researchers to prove 2020 fraud but kept findings secret

Fox News hosts knew the "election fraud" claims from Trump's team weren't true and off-air disparaged the people who promoted them, yet the network continued to allow Trump's people to push the lies to their viewers (and at times FN hosts pushed the lies themselves).

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn’t believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV

The former Republican Attorney General from Arizona had a team of investigators look into the "election fraud" claims in AZ, but when they issued a report showing the claims weren't true, the AG buried the report.

Former Arizona AG sat on records refuting 2020 election fraud

And now we have Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis admitting to 10 specific lies regarding the 2020 election, including...

-Her claim to evidence of “a coordinated effort in all of these states to transfer votes either from Trump to Biden, to manipulate the ballots, to count them in secret.”
-Her claim of “overwhelming evidence proving this was stolen.”
-Her claim that, “The election was stolen and Trump won by a landslide” (a version of which she said repeatedly).
-Her claim that, “The proper and true victor … is Donald Trump.”
-Her claim that, “We have over 500,000 votes [in Arizona] that were cast illegally.”

Ellis’s commentary broadly echoed many of the Trump team’s most frequent claims. And Ellis is now admitting that none were true.

The pattern here is clear...conservatives/Republicans knew the 2020 election was accurate and claims saying otherwise were false, yet they suppressed that reality and instead kept lying to their supporters, insisting that the election was fraudulent and had been stolen by Democrats. That makes me wonder a few things. First, does any of that even matter to the average Republican voter and/or Fox News viewer? Do they care at all? Or are most of them actually aware of these things? Has this news penetrated their information bubble?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Today's GOP was spawned by wanton deceit and willful ignorance. No one should be shocked by its malignancy.

 

[Jose Fly]

Today's GOP was spawned by wanton deceit and willful ignorance. No one should be shocked by its malignancy.

I'm not shocked at these revelations, but I am rather taken aback by the reactions of many conservatives. They don't seem to mind any of this at all. I guess when the Faux News hosts said amongst themselves that they had to keep pushing the lies because that's what their viewers wanted, they really did know their audience.

 

[Father Heathen]

No slam dunk or smoking sun will coax them from the pool of willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and denial that they've been wallowing in all along.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm not shocked at these revelations, but I am rather taken aback by the reactions of many conservatives. They don't seem to mind any of this at all. I guess when the Faux News hosts said amongst themselves that they had to keep pushing the lies because that's what their viewers wanted, they really did know their audience.

For conservatives it's political victory at any and all costs. They've demonstrated that they're willing to sacrifice democracy, rights, freedom, capitalism, morality, and truth to attain it.

 

[Jose Fly]

No slam dunk or smoking sun will coax them from the pool of willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, and denial that they've been wallowing in all along.

It's why a blogger I like noted a while ago that nothing in modern conservatism makes sense except in the light of creationism.

How many times have we seen creationists go right back to their sources after they've been shown to be dishonest? This is the same thing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Just in the last few weeks we've learned that...

The Trump campaign hired a research firm to investigate their "election fraud" claims, but when the firm found that the claims weren't true, they buried the report and continued to repeat the lies.

Trump campaign paid researchers to prove 2020 fraud but kept findings secret

Fox News hosts knew the "election fraud" claims from Trump's team weren't true and off-air disparaged the people who promoted them, yet the network continued to allow Trump's people to push the lies to their viewers (and at times FN hosts pushed the lies themselves).

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn’t believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV

The former Republican Attorney General from Arizona had a team of investigators look into the "election fraud" claims in AZ, but when they issued a report showing the claims weren't true, the AG buried the report.

Former Arizona AG sat on records refuting 2020 election fraud

And now we have Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis admitting to 10 specific lies regarding the 2020 election, including...



The pattern here is clear...conservatives/Republicans knew the 2020 election was accurate and claims saying otherwise were false, yet they suppressed that reality and instead kept lying to their supporters, insisting that the election was fraudulent and had been stolen by Democrats. That makes me wonder a few things. First, does any of that even matter to the average Republican voter and/or Fox News viewer? Do they care at all? Or are most of them actually aware of these things? Has this news penetrated their information bubble?

Wow! Just like the Democrats do!

Democrat Congressman Accuses Republican Of Stealing Election Away From Him

townhall.com

 

[PureX]

The really sad and amazing thing is that a lot of Americans will STILL vote for these people, and will still watch their phony news shows, and will repeat their lies to themselves and anyone that will listen.

Why?

 

[Jose Fly]

Wow! Just like the Democrats do!

Democrat Congressman Accuses Republican Of Stealing Election Away From Him

townhall.com

What th......?

Did she commission a report then bury it when it didn't say what she wanted? Did she continue to repeat lies, knowing they were false? Did a liberal news outlet repeat lies, knowing they were false?

No, she simply said, "They stole that last election… they spent $3 million to our $250,000, they campaigned for two years, and they still only won by less than one percent. So, the way to turn this around is getting out and vote".

If you think that's equivalent to what's outlined in the OP.....there's something wrong with you.

 

[Father Heathen]

Wow! Just like the Democrats do!

Democrat Congressman Accuses Republican Of Stealing Election Away From Him

townhall.com

Of course you'd play whataboutism rather than own up.

 

[SomeRandom]

Speaking as an outsider to all of this, can I just ask my yank friends.

Okay so a few years back there was this seemingly immense push from Right leaning figures from the states to present themselves as being all “facts and logic.” You know, facts don’t care about your feelings and what have you.
At least in various online spaces and it was even televised here to a certain extent.

Was this a response to anything specific? Like all these findings about Fox News (which is right wing, as is my understanding) is not new, right? Was this perhaps a pushback against such a reputation?
A response to I guess Liberals being all about feelings, supposedly?

I’m trying to figure out the broader context to that push, if there was any. Because in hindsight it seems a bit random lol

 

[Orbit]

Wow! Just like the Democrats do!

Democrat Congressman Accuses Republican Of Stealing Election Away From Him

townhall.com

And this makes Fox News' lying ok?

 

[Colt]

Wow! Just like the Democrats do!

Democrat Congressman Accuses Republican Of Stealing Election Away From Him

townhall.com

Rember when Hillary whined about how the Russians colluded with Trump? I guess that since Biden is such an unmitigated disaster of a president they have nothing more to talk about!

 

[Jose Fly]

Rember when Hillary whined about how the Russians colluded with Trump? I guess that since Biden is such an unmitigated disaster of a president they have nothing more to talk about!

There was collusion.

So, The Russian voting interferance...

OK, If you struggle, let me assist. What did Trump do wrong? I struggle to see Biden's reason for stopping the border wall. I struggle to see his reason to stop the USA being self sufficient in ennergy. Why does he give the US technology on a platter to infringe personal propperty? Why did he...

www.religiousforums.com

RIP CNN, the loosers are loosing big time

Oh, I really trust Fox "News" to report this objectively. The right wing tribe hates the left. Stop the presses. This is utterly shocking news that should cause every American to quake in their boots with outrage, flip into unstoppable rage and start rioting to restore the one true universal...

www.religiousforums.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

Of course you'd play whataboutism rather than own up.

I'm not the one with chronic TDS.

 

[Father Heathen]

Rember when Hillary whined about how the Russians colluded with Trump? I guess that since Biden is such an unmitigated disaster of a president they have nothing more to talk about!

Biden still has a long way to fall before he comes anywhere near Trump's level of failure.

 

[dybmh]

Just in the last few weeks we've learned that...

The Trump campaign hired a research firm to investigate their "election fraud" claims, but when the firm found that the claims weren't true, they buried the report and continued to repeat the lies.

Trump campaign paid researchers to prove 2020 fraud but kept findings secret

Fox News hosts knew the "election fraud" claims from Trump's team weren't true and off-air disparaged the people who promoted them, yet the network continued to allow Trump's people to push the lies to their viewers (and at times FN hosts pushed the lies themselves).

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn’t believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV

The former Republican Attorney General from Arizona had a team of investigators look into the "election fraud" claims in AZ, but when they issued a report showing the claims weren't true, the AG buried the report.

Former Arizona AG sat on records refuting 2020 election fraud

And now we have Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis admitting to 10 specific lies regarding the 2020 election, including...



The pattern here is clear...conservatives/Republicans knew the 2020 election was accurate and claims saying otherwise were false, yet they suppressed that reality and instead kept lying to their supporters, insisting that the election was fraudulent and had been stolen by Democrats. That makes me wonder a few things. First, does any of that even matter to the average Republican voter and/or Fox News viewer? Do they care at all? Or are most of them actually aware of these things? Has this news penetrated their information bubble?

*WINNER* ^^

 

[Jose Fly]

Speaking as an outsider to all of this, can I just ask my yank friends.

Okay so a few years back there was this seemingly immense push from Right leaning figures from the states to present themselves as being all “facts and logic.” You know, facts don’t care about your feelings and what have you.
At least in various online spaces and it was even televised here to a certain extent.

Was this a response to anything specific? Like all these findings about Fox News (which is right wing, as is my understanding) is not new, right? Was this perhaps a pushback against such a reputation?
A response to I guess Liberals being all about feelings, supposedly?

I’m trying to figure out the broader context to that push, if there was any. Because in hindsight it seems a bit random lol

It's mostly just rhetoric...things they say at any given moment that they think their base wants to hear. So when liberals talk about feelings of say marginalized groups, conservatives will wave that away with things like you mention ("facts don't care about your feelings").

But when the facts aren't what conservatives want, you get the opposite, such as Newt Gingrich saying that he'll go with feelings over facts, Giuliani saying "truth isn't truth", and Kellyanne Conway saying (after being shown wrong) that she's presenting "alternative facts".

It's basically whatever suits their needs at that particular moment.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm not the one with chronic TDS.

If you want to play that silly game, then you have "OSTDS", "CDS", "BDS", etc.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Biden still has a long way to fall before he comes anywhere near Trump's level of failure.

Don't feed it ...