This is for Allah ----- stupid!

[FearGod]

So Muslims bear no responsibility at all for their actions? Their terrorist killings are always due to the West influencing them, yes?

Did I say influenced them? that's how you comprehended it but I didn't say so.
If you blame Muslims for terrorism then that's your opinion and I don't care
about it.

 

[Notanumber]

ITV have got their finger on the pulse - Piers Morgan clashes with imam who denies there is any extremism in British mosques

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Much of that I can agree with, however, you do not believe religion could play a part in that?

No, as no Mesenger of God has taught anything but Peace, Love, and Justice.

Justice is always given by God in the Greatest Love, always aimed at our peace and unity. God knows all.

Man has not matured to the level where self interest is subdued for the good of all. They take what is of God, make it their own and rule as if they are God.

All the Holy Books say to these men. Be gone, your chastisement awaits.

As a Baha'i, we have been shown the beauty in the Koran and the intent of Gods (Allahs) Word given by Muhammad.

A Bahai is a follower of all the Prophets and none of them taught any Injustice. All laws when applied as intended, were the apex of understanding and justice in the age they were given and for the time were destined to last. It is when man adds his own desires within those laws that the religion declines, and renewal will happen. All the Holy books talk of this renewal.

Regards Tony

 

[David1967]

Man has not matured to the level where self interest is subdued for the good of all. They take what is of God, make it their own and rule as if they are God.

You got that right Tony.

 

[suncowiam]

No, as no Mesenger of God has taught anything but Peace, Love, and Justice.

Justice is always given by God in the Greatest Love, always aimed at our peace and unity. God knows all.

Man has not matured to the level where self interest is subdued for the good of all. They take what is of God, make it their own and rule as if they are God.

All the Holy Books say to these men. Be gone, your chastisement awaits.

As a Baha'i, we have been shown the beauty in the Koran and the intent of Gods (Allahs) Word given by Muhammad.

A Bahai is a follower of all the Prophets and none of them taught any Injustice. All laws when applied as intended, were the apex of understanding and justice in the age they were given and for the time were destined to last. It is when man adds his own desires within those laws that the religion declines, and renewal will happen. All the Holy books talk of this renewal.

Regards Tony

Sorry but let me politely assert that this is Not a true Scotsman Fallacy...

That a messenger of God could only bring peace and unity. I wouldn't mind that but that's a personal definition.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sorry but let me politely assert that this is Not a true Scotsman Fallicy...

That a messenger of God could only bring peace and unity. I wouldn't mind that but that's a personal definition.

Not at all, as Baha'u'llah has explaind this in detail in His Writings. It takes a just search to determine this. We are asked to read all the Holy books and asked to understand them with our own reasoning, based on what the Messenger gave in the Book.

This then means there is a lot of false history and false information that we have to navigate through. There is hundreds of years of false information.

Regards Tony

 

[suncowiam]

Not at all, as Baha'u'llah has explaind this in detail in His Writings. It takes a just search to determine this. We are asked to read all the Holy books and asked to understand them with our own reasoning, based on what the Messenger gave in the Book.

This then means there is a lot of false history and false information that we have to navigate through. There is hundreds of years of false information.

Regards Tony

There's not much where I can continue with this. To each his own.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I agree that reason and skepticism should be sought after but people are going to find justifications for what they want/will do. Where violence is involved I believe religion is simply a tool used by ring leaders to help convince their people to do evil things. Would it be harder to convince people to be suicide bombers without religion, hell yes. Would violent ring leaders be able to find other justifications/ways to get their people to commit violence, also yes. Religion encourages or magnifies already present bad human behavior.

Wouldn't it be a great step forward just to make sure those willing to blow themselves (and others) up at the urging of these allege "leaders" knew that those same "leaders" most assuredly would not do it themselves. And then ask, "why not?"

 

[Notanumber]

ITV have got their finger on the pulse - Piers Morgan clashes with imam who denies there is any extremism in British mosques

UPDATE:

I received this information from a serving police officer in confidence.

'I work in Birmingham City Centre. Birmingham Central Mosque is a no go area for West Midlands Police officers. We are told by the management and senior officers that we are not to go there and certainly not, under any circumstances, to go in. This is not for our safety but because of an agreement with the Mosque and the West Midlands Police HQ.


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[TransmutingSoul]

UPDATE: I received this information from a serving police officer in confidence.

Well why is it posted here?

Trustworthiness is a great virtue.

Regards Tony

 

[Notanumber]

Well why is it posted here?

Because all this bullying, controlling and disregarding of authority is done in the name of Allah.

 

[Muffled]

"This is for Allah." That's what was heard by the attackers at London Bridge and the market.

This, from people who presumably believe what Islam teaches: what Allah wills happens. If Allah wished for a girl from Canada, who moved to London to be with her fiancé, to be dead, why then, Allan's wish would be fact -- she would be dead. What kind of demented, irrational, non-thinking doofus imagines that the all-powerful creator of the universe needs his help to get the job done?

I am led, always and inexorably, to the conclusion that there are only two possible explanations for this kind of thinking: either such religious beliefs create palpable stupidity through rabid rejection of reason, or such religious beliefs are the ultimate result of an already existing, incurable, stupidity.

I believe religion provides wisdom. It isn't that people are stupid but rather that they are foolish. Bin laden was a highly intelligent engineer but that did not keep him from doing foolish things.

Ps 14:1 «For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.» The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

 

[Muffled]

I'm certain of only one thing.....
The popular claim that religion keeps people moral is highly suspect.

I believe I agree with that. Only Jesus can save from sin.

 

[Muffled]

I'm not so sure whether it's a matter of stupidity or a species of insanity.

I believe there is a level f delusion in their thinking that they are achieving anything unless the objective is simply to kill people. Even then I believe in re-incarnation so the people don't stay dead.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe I agree with that. Only Jesus can save from sin.

He's part of the problem.

 

[Muffled]

He's part of the problem.

I believe you should state your problem. I don't have one.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe you should state your problem. I don't have one.

It's a long story.
Briefly, it's about taking scripture as inerrant fact on faith.
This has led many to mayhem over the centuries.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe I agree with that. Only Jesus can save from sin.

It is acknowledgement of "Christ", the "Son of God" within Jesus, that is the path to the Knowledge of God and the Path to what it is to be born Again.

If a person accepts that Muhammad also had the Same Spirit of "Christ" within Him as the "Messenger of God", then Muhammad is also a path to that Salvation.

This is how Christ is the First and will be the Last.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's a long story.
Briefly, it's about taking scripture as inerrant fact on faith.
This has led many to mayhem over the centuries.

It is more the literal interpretation of passages without considering the Spirit of Peace, Love, and Justice that is within them.

The purpose of all Holy Books is to assist us to find Love in our Unity of purpose.

Of course, this leads to much discussion, but shows the complete lack of understanding a terrorist has of their Faith in God. They do what the Book tells them not to do. They fulfill passages that tell of the error, that brings renewal in the end if the age.

Regards Tony

 

[JustWondering]

This is a false equivalency. Americans are purposefully targeting terrorists and military targets, and yes innocent civilians can get hurt in these attacks. However, Muslims terrorists are purposefully targeting civilians, trying to inflict the maximum innocent casualties that they can.

They bombed a wedding for crying out loud. If a foreign country was flying drones over America killing civilians everyone would be rightfully up in arms about it. The US has known for some time it hits a disproportionate number of civilians with drone strikes but doesn't care because it's a cheaper way of killing people than sending troops in. Its sick.

Trump admin ups drone strikes, tolerates higher civilian casualties