This is for Allah ----- stupid!

[Revoltingest]

It is more the literal interpretation of passages without considering the Spirit of Peace, Love, and Justice that is within them.

The purpose of all Holy Books is to assist us to find Love in our Unity of purpose.

Of course, this leads to much discussion, but shows the complete lack of understanding a terrorist has of their Faith in God. They do what the Book tells them not to do. They fulfill passages that tell of the error, that brings renewal in the end if the age.

Regards Tony

Alas, some find different, less peaceful messages.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Alas, some find different, less peaceful messages.

Yes, that is all part of the Choices we can make. When God is Love, then one can wonder why hate is a choice of man, when he mentions God.

Regards Tony

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I believe religion provides wisdom. It isn't that people are stupid but rather that they are foolish. Bin laden was a highly intelligent engineer but that did not keep him from doing foolish things.

I find this difficult to sort out. First you claim that religion provides wisdom, then you claim that Bin Laden -- who was all about his religion -- did foolish things. So in his case, religion did NOT provide wisdom. Surely this is true of those who just attacked and killed in Tehran, Iran -- they are Sunni Muslims, and their religion provided them with the "wisdom" that the Shiah Muslims of Iran are heretics and deserve to die.

Ps 14:1 «For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.» The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

Are you aware that some of the greatest philanthropists in history (Andrew Carnegie, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others all said "there is no God?" So everything they contributed was abominable? Nothing they did was good? Should all those billions and billions of charitable dollars be given back? I mean, surely the faithful wouldn't want to be tainted with "dirty money," would they?

 

[Muffled]

It's a long story.
Briefly, it's about taking scripture as inerrant fact on faith.
This has led many to mayhem over the centuries.

In these time when the New York Times prints made up stories I can understand that. I believe one must investigate to find out what is true and what is not. So often people just write off parts of the Bible because of their own fantasies without doing any investigation.

I don't believe so. I believe people are often evil and use the Bible as an excuse to cover up their evil ways. Usually those excuses don't hold any water.

 

[Muffled]

It is acknowledgement of "Christ", the "Son of God" within Jesus, that is the path to the Knowledge of God and the Path to what it is to be born Again.

If a person accepts that Muhammad also had the Same Spirit of "Christ" within Him as the "Messenger of God", then Muhammad is also a path to that Salvation.

This is how Christ is the First and will be the Last.

Regards Tony

I believe Muhammad did not have the Spirit of God resident in Him. There is a possibility that he heard God as the prophets did but that is not the same thing.

I believe it is not the same thing.

 

[Muffled]

I find this difficult to sort out. First you claim that religion provides wisdom, then you claim that Bin Laden -- who was all about his religion -- did foolish things. So in his case, religion did NOT provide wisdom. Surely this is true of those who just attacked and killed in Tehran, Iran -- they are Sunni Muslims, and their religion provided them with the "wisdom" that the Shiah Muslims of Iran are heretics and deserve to die.

Are you aware that some of the greatest philanthropists in history (Andrew Carnegie, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others all said "there is no God?" So everything they contributed was abominable? Nothing they did was good? Should all those billions and billions of charitable dollars be given back? I mean, surely the faithful wouldn't want to be tainted with "dirty money," would they?

I believe from what I read that Bin Laden was all about taking revenge on the west for supporting Israel. There is a false belief among those in the Middle East that Israel harmed Palestinians by moving into what was once Palestine and that Israelis must be forced to move out or be killed. Religion was just a cover-up for his true beliefs.

I believe it provided it but he payed no attention to it.

I believe there is nothing in their religion that would support that view.

I believe even an atheist can be influenced to do some good by culture and nature but the tendency is still to do evil.

 

[Notanumber]

I believe even an atheist can be influenced to do some good by culture and nature but the tendency is still to do evil.

I wonder if this man needed a religion to tell him to follow his conscience.

This vegetarian beef farmer has done a heartwarming 360° with his herd

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I find this difficult to sort out. First you claim that religion provides wisdom, then you claim that Bin Laden -- who was all about his religion -- did foolish things. So in his case, religion did NOT provide wisdom. Surely this is true of those who just attacked and killed in Tehran, Iran -- they are Sunni Muslims, and their religion provided them with the "wisdom" that the Shiah Muslims of Iran are heretics and deserve to die.

Are you aware that some of the greatest philanthropists in history (Andrew Carnegie, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others all said "there is no God?" So everything they contributed was abominable? Nothing they did was good? Should all those billions and billions of charitable dollars be given back? I mean, surely the faithful wouldn't want to be tainted with "dirty money," would they?

I believe from what I read that Bin Laden was all about taking revenge on the west for supporting Israel. There is a false belief among those in the Middle East that Israel harmed Palestinians by moving into what was once Palestine and that Israelis must be forced to move out or be killed. Religion was just a cover-up for his true beliefs.

But isn't that exactly what Israel did in 1948 (just as it is supposed to have done about 3000 years earlier, when the inhabitants weren't "Palestinians" but Canaanites? What a tangled web!

I believe it provided it but he payed no attention to it.

I never cease to be amazed by this idea that "my scripture provides a special wisdom that I understand but others don't." Sorry, this is just a canard! You think it's wise because (and only because) you believe it. Others do not think it's wise because they don't -- but they have other scriptures that they believe, and therefore also assume provide wisdom.

You have an easy task, I would think, to just demonstrate how your scripture is wiser than theirs. After all, they are all written down in their entirety, and all that's needed is to show the "truth" of what you believe in your scripture, the "falsity" of what they believe in theirs -- oh, and just one more thing: the evidence. (For example, Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, and God Himself as part of the Trinity, Muslims believe he's a prophet, like many others, but certainly not divine. It should be easy-peasy to point out the definitive reasons for your belief and against theirs.)

I believe there is nothing in their religion that would suport that view.

Well, unfortunately you have just shut down all reasons to accept "heresy." As it happens, I agree with you, but for very much the wrong reasons. I suppose you know that (just as the Shia's and Sunni's) various Christians sects have been labeling each other "heretic" (and burning each other for it) for a long time. How is it you suppose there is nothing in Islam to support claims of heresy by Shia and Sunni against one another, but must be something in Chritianity?

I believe even an atheist can be influenced to do some good by culture and nature but the tendency is still to do evil.

I find this personally offensive, and I find it offensive as a human being, too. You certainly do not see human beings the way that I do, and in saying that you "believe even an atheist can be influenced," you demonstrate a willingness to divide people up into classes based on belief. I am especially incensed by your implicit suggestion that as an atheist, I have more tendency to do evil than good -- presumably in contrast to yourself. Let me point out, I would never suggest the same thing about you -- but then, I'm an atheist, and what would I know?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Anybody remember when the Debate Forums were used for, you know, debates ?

Oooh...that sounds like a challenge. I'll take you on. You choose the topic. I get to use a thesaurus though, since you have the ape, and we both know who's driving the bus on your team.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The process is the same for moderate Muslims and extremists: translation, speculation and hearsay.

Even if ISIS was defeated, what in the religious process would stop future extremists from forming? Religious extremists/fundamentalists are nothing new.

You could say the same about politics.

 

[suncowiam]

You could say the same about politics.

I do say the same especially with our constitution and amendments.

A process that depends on translation is flawed. I seriously hate the fact that we're passing laws of the land based on 5 to 4 voting margins. That's a 1 vote swing to determine 100% of the population now have to obey a new law.

It's wrong.