This is where liberty dies

[Shad]

Not more than average TV viewership decline.

Also factor in:
a) an uninspiring schedule in many weeks due to a lot of poor teams (the Bills were awful and made the playoffs)
b) viewer fatigue from increased numbers of matches available for watching on TV/online
c) The NFL's own streaming service
d) the ease of illegal streaming

A is subjective and routine in the division system. You have not presented any data backing it up. B is nothing new and has been a standard for years. C is easiest source the NFL can track and is part of the audience. D has been standard for years as well.

It's tracked the same as it was in previous seasons.

By sales not butts in the seats.

Half empty stadiums are usually caused by the team sucking, get them on a potential Super Bowl run and they will soon be full.

Decline in season sale is the factor.

$1b below the owners pipe dream. Maybe if they were the Giants he could get that.

Actually a firm valued it as such.

Significantly higher than the club was valued by Forbes though, and they didn't even accept the highest bid.

The new owner was seen as the better person to handle the team which is a perk for the League. So undervalued based on potiental

Some owners are just immoral and avaricious ****s.

The whole deal reeks of it given past action by some owners now voting for the rule. They benefited from kneeling until they decided otherwise.


Again if kneel was a non-factor why make the new rule to an address a non-factor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And under no circumstances should you ever do this!

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Ok. I take my earlier statement back. That picture is one of a red, white, and blue boner.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Segregation didn't exist in Ft Lauderdale where I grew up.

But it did exist in American in the 50's and 60's, the time period where you seem to think things were so honkey-dorey.

Blacks wanted to achieve the same as whites which was MLK message. That time has never been greater for them than now. I like that especially for my friends I grew up with. If a black person today isn't making it, it's because they choose not to. There are plenty of successful black men and women who have success, making more than I and most white Americans.

There is no denying that kids who grow up with money have many more advantages than those who grow up poor. The real discussion centers around poverty, not race.

 

[Augustus]

A is subjective and routine in the division system. You have not presented any data backing it up.

Neither have you that they are underperforming relative to TV in general and sports viewership across the board.

B is nothing new and has been a standard for years.

Oversaturation of market develops over time.

Premier league football in the UK would be an example, ditto champions league.

C is easiest source the NFL can track and is part of the audience.

Many people watch Red Zone which would not count towards viewership of any given game as it flips between all games, or they watch their own team rather than the primetime game.

D has been standard for years as well.

Many more options over the past few years, and much better quality. I have to stream certain sports because they are impossible to get legitimately where I live and this.

Also more people are becoming aware of the possibility, most people are slow adopters of tech.


Anyway, NFL viewing figures are not declining more than average despite this so it's not too important.

By sales not butts in the seats.

It's not like everyone turned up in the past though. So saying some stadiums are half empty would also apply to previous years, and I know because I watch the Browns who always suck.

Actually a firm valued it as such.

According to the Charlotte Observer's Jourdan Rodrigue and Katherine Peralta, experts have estimated franchise founder and owner Jerry Richardson and his minority partners could fetch anywhere between $2.3 and $2.8 billion.

Forbes' most recent valuation, which was published in September, estimated the Panthers' worth at $2.3 billion. That figure ranked 21st among the NFL's 32 teams.

And they sold for 2.3, but turned down a higher offer which means it went at expected price range.

Again if kneel was a non-factor why make the new rule to an address a non-factor.

If it was really a big deal, why didn't they make a rule that can't easily be broken and that 1 team has already said they won't enforce?

 

[Shad]

Neither have you that they are underperforming relative to TV in general and sports viewership across the board.

The NFL has been open about this awhile now.

Many people watch Red Zone which would not count towards viewership of any given game as it flips between all games, or they watch their own team rather than the primetime game.

Red Zone as created by the League itself and will be counted by the NFL.

Many more options over the past few years, and much better quality. I have to stream certain sports because they are impossible to get legitimately where I live and this.

Is that a regional lock or are you trying to watch say MU in the UK from western America?

Anyway, NFL viewing figures are not declining more than average despite this so it's not too important.

Yet the League is addressing a non-factor with a rule?

It's not like everyone turned up in the past though. So saying some stadiums are half empty would also apply to previous years, and I know because I watch the Browns who always suck.

There has been polling on the decline with many showing a significant percentage of individuals loss of interest is due to kneeling. Other factor are the rules changes over the last few years especially those aimed at gambling.

According to the Charlotte Observer's Jourdan Rodrigue and Katherine Peralta, experts have estimated franchise founder and owner Jerry Richardson and his minority partners could fetch anywhere between $2.3 and $2.8 billion.

You didn't read what I posted. The owner hired a firm to evaluate it. That was the price they advised ownership to aim for.

And they sold for 2.3, but turned down a higher offer which means it went at expected price range.

They undersold due to who the buyer was.

If it was really a big deal, why didn't they make a rule that can't easily be broken and that 1 team has already said they won't enforce?

As they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. The rule is for optics only. By keeping the protests off the field they placate those that object to it. By creating a different form of acceptable protest they placate players wishing to continue in supporting their cause. Now only time will tell if those that object to the kneeling treat an absent team(s) during the anthem any differently.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Care to explain what you mean by that.

I meant the opposite. Sorry It is my birthday and I have been back-to-back drunk at the moment. I'll fix it later.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

His actions only result in a ticket to unemployment.

I think it is disgusting that the very real topic of the dehumanization caused by racism has turned into a public spectacle of patriotism, big business and free speech. Kaepernic was a pathetic failure and we as a society are the cause of that failure as we bury our heads in the sand and steal the message and act like it doesn't exist.

 

[Shad]

I think it is disgusting that the very real topic of the dehumanization caused by racism has turned into a public spectacle of patriotism, big business and free speech.

The NFL has accepted payments from the DoD and NG for putting on patriotic displays. Part of that was players being out for the anthem. It was a marketing tool to draw people to the game. Beside rabid patriotism the NFL created the environment and most of the problem here.

Kaepernic was a pathetic failure and we as a society are the cause of that failure as we bury our heads in the sand and steal the message and act like it doesn't exist.

Kaep failed because he made it personal and sent mixed messages.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You do know that Kaepernic protested against racism. Neither patriotism nor free speech was his issue.

So what's your point, then?

 

[Stevicus]

We are not really talking about all black people.
In the USA,
Black people are rather more violent than others. Men are rather more violent than women. Young people are rather more violent than older folks.

So, if you put all these demographics together in one person human beings (who are programmed to categorize) are going to make assumptions about him. And cops are human beings.
Pretending that the problem is cops, and not young black men, is to miss the point. And that means that you are unlikely to have a solution.
Tom

One possible solution might be to instruct and educate the cops on what the difference is between a piddly, meaningless violation that they could just as easily let go versus more serious violations that they should make a higher priority.

I'd like to see cops give similar treatment to CEOs and bankers, since they're more likely to be criminals than the average street dude. When we start seeing cops take more proactive and aggressive strategies against criminals at that level, then we might start seeing progress.

 

[Shad]

But there are some instances where you have to wonder about the cops. Just as I was reading this thread, I came across this story in one of my news feeds. Why would cops make such a huge deal over a parking violation?

Axe to grind. A longer version of the video shows 1. The cop in question telling other cops that Brown was being an *** thus becomes more suspicious. 2. Other officers were not around for the cause the cop stated so took his word. This sets all the cops on edge because one didn't like how the interaction went down. 3. Brown had his hands in his pockets a number of time for around 6 mins before anyone cared. 4. The cop lied in his report about Brown getting aggressive and in the cop's face.

Sorry the sound is low. If you use CC make sure to set it to English as for some reason it defaults to Spanish

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Liberty is alive and well. Players have a free choice to respect our flag or get off the field. It is up to them.
























liberty is alive and well. Players have a free choice to respect our flag or get off the field. It is up to them.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Liberty is alive and well. Players have a free choice to respect our flag or get off the field. It is up to them.
























liberty is alive and well. Players have a free choice to respect our flag or get off the field. It is up to them.

If you don't like what their doing then watch a different sport.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It is not about watching. It is about respect. And I don't watch.

 

[fantome profane]

The NFL has accepted payments from the DoD and NG for putting on patriotic displays. Part of that was players being out for the anthem. It was a marketing tool to draw people to the game. Beside rabid patriotism the NFL created the environment and most of the problem here.

Yes, the NFL created this environment, but not alone. As you said they were paid by the DoD and the NG. They are responsible as well.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

It is not about watching. It is about respect. And I don't watch.

But it is a respectful protest. Your argument is invalid.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/veteran-kaepernick-take-a-knee-anthem/

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Anything that disrespects the flag and country is not respectful. Your arguement is the one that is invalid. Maybe being free from Christianity has taken away your sense of respect.

 

[Shad]

Yes, the NFL created this environment, but not alone. As you said they were paid by the DoD and the NG. They are responsible as well.

In a minor way. Do not forgot the NFL likes taking money from the government when the option presents itself. The Stadium sales pitches for example.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So what's your point, then?

That Kaepernic's message of racism was stolen from him and turned into an issue of free speech, big busieness and patriotism while racism remains alive, well and ignored by those perpetrating it.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That Kaepernic's message of racism was stolen from him and turned into an issue of free speech, big busieness and patriotism while racism remains alive, well and ignored by those perpetrating it.

Oh, I quite agree. What gets really intriguing is when you try to work out just how contrived and intentional the stealing was. Did it just happen naturally, as the issue was dumbed down and spread as third hand sound bites? Or did someone somewhere intentionally sit down and work out the best way to discredit and subvert the protest and actively make it about "respecting the flag/troops/apple pie/jingoistic touchstone du jour"?