Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Capitalizing the word pizza.
I think I just made it obvious my comfort food of choice.
I think I just made it obvious my comfort food of choice.
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This Pizza Parlor Is Indiana's First Business to Deny Service to LGBT Customers
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And they can get there faster than from NY/NJ! 
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Stranger things have happened.
I still remember when Chik-Fil-A had a ton of support from around the nation for their stance against same sex marriage, bolstered by their owners religious affiliation and the overall philosophy of the company. They had lines and lines of people early on buying their sandwiches and waffle fries applauding their freedom to hate on queers.
I suspected it would take a couple years due to the changing of the overall population toward legalizing same sex marriage, that it would reach a tipping point and sales would drop. I said years. It took several months before the owners began softening their stance and reaching out to organizations like PFLAG.
It wasn't the liberal media. It wasn't godless heathens harassing them. It was a drop in sales. I thought it was a good move that they wisened up and began to show more acceptance toward queer rights and against discrimination.
If this pizzeria has had any success in their business, and if the city understands how public outcry will impact the rate of visitors, petitions from outsiders toward their county seat, mounting pushback against the state itself....I anticipate change will occur sooner than later. We're already, though social media, sharing loudly how other states have their own discriminatory "religious freedom" bills and pushing back against them.
The overt discrimination will eventually die out. The final state to legalize same-sex marriage will do so kicking and screaming. And eventually families and businesses will find ways to discriminate "softly" like they do with minorities, immigrants, and women. But one battle will be won.
One of my goals is to find out how the Irish were able to be free from discrimination eventually, and to follow in that path.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I do, including my own crust (I'm still experimenting with recipes for the "perfect" crust).
But a Ned's Pizza is an orgasm for your mouth. Actually, it's better than that.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Sadly, I think the only reason is another group replaced them. Immigrants from Mexico will probably only be let off the hook when a new immigrant group comes in, as this seems to be the historical trend. Having offspring who are culturally assimilated in America is probably also another big reason. But, even then, prejudice against the Irish and those with Irish heritage still exist in America. It may not be a very large social element anymore, but as a kid I was tormented because I have red hair and freckles, which are strong indications of an Irish heritage.One of my goals is to find out how the Irish were able to be free from discrimination eventually, and to follow in that path.
Making a good pizza is actually all about dumbing down the ingredients to simple but high-quality, and then understanding how good crusts take time, rather than boxed and pre-packaged. I make mine and let the dough chill for at least 24 hours before kneading, stretching, and then tossing it in the air (that's really fun).
Authentic Italian cheeses are a must.
And the sauce needs to be simple, but to have the right herbs and just a little heat to it.
I make a damn good pizza, though habits die hard for some folks when it comes to comfort food. We've already dismissed some food establishments in favor of homemade options, so it takes knowing the right recipe/method....so I'm determined to perfect pizza in the same way.
Authentic Italian cheeses are a must.
And the sauce needs to be simple, but to have the right herbs and just a little heat to it.
I make a damn good pizza, though habits die hard for some folks when it comes to comfort food. We've already dismissed some food establishments in favor of homemade options, so it takes knowing the right recipe/method....so I'm determined to perfect pizza in the same way.
Good points.
My bet would be on the opposite. This is great advertising in small town Indiana. They will probably get a boost from people who think that this is a courageous stance for God and decency and freedom.
Big chains have a PR issue that mom and pop places don't.
Governor Pence held a press conference yesterday. He insisted that the law has nothing to do with discrimination against lgbt and it is all a wicked plot by the media to smear Indiana.
Tom
Big chains have a PR issue that mom and pop places don't.
Governor Pence held a press conference yesterday. He insisted that the law has nothing to do with discrimination against lgbt and it is all a wicked plot by the media to smear Indiana.
Tom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Being either the unhappiest state in the union or one of the unhappiest (depends on the source), this state is already smeared. The cost of living being low is about the only good thing I ever hear anyone mention about this state. When a state tries for a decade to pass a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, there isn't much more "smearing" that can be done.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's how I feel about it. It's not too hard to find small businesses around here that broadcast their conservative Christian values. Around here, I just do not see how doing such a thing will hurt their business because it's a small town mom-and-pop shop (the highly romanticized and glorified heroes of the American economy) who is not afraid to stand up for good 'ole fashioned Christian values. I just don't see them being hurt by their decision.
On most things, I am 100% in agreement with you. But truly special, amazing pizza, the kind you could mistake for religious experience, must be prepared in front of you & cooked in a brick oven. Extra points if it's wood-burning.
You can make perfectly good pizza at home, no doubt. But for great pizza, the stuff you would seriously consider signing over your first-born for, you need to go to a pizzeria. A real one.
Preferably staffed by an older, tanned man sporting an awe-inspiring mustache with a short, grandmotherly & portly wife who are both flat-out incapable of speaking without waving their hands and with a last name made up an incomprehensible jumble of vowels that is pronounced the exact ****ing opposite way it's spelt.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If you're going to go that far, you must have a stone slab to bake the pizza on.
Meh, who cares. Who buys pizza for a wedding, anyway? This whole issue is stupid.
This whole issue is stupid.Did you not see the "brick oven" bit?
I dunno, I think pizza could be a wonderful wedding meal, albeit not pizza alone. An Italian theme, with a small personal pizza as the appetizer would be lovely.Meh, who cares. Who buys pizza for a wedding, anyway?
Gourmet pizza honestly is SO GOOD.
But these folks likely don't make gourmet pizza.
But these folks likely don't make gourmet pizza.
And yet...
Back in the '60s there were places in the south that proudly served only whites even after the Civil Rights movement. They had a boost...for a bit. Then the communities caught on that advertising open racism when the tide turns in the direction of equality doesn't work for long.
I predict the same will happen here.
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This just in.It seems they had to close the doors to the pizza joint.
Indiana Pizza Place -- Forced to Close Doors After Refusing to Cater Gay Weddings | TMZ.com
Indiana Pizza Place -- Forced to Close Doors After Refusing to Cater Gay Weddings | TMZ.com