Those who slew Christ, did God's will, priesthood!

[Spiderman]

The levitical priesthood that slays the lamb had always been the one tribe that was given God alone , not land.

Jesus was called the lamb of God, and he made it clear that his crucifixion was his glory, and the cross, became the symbol for Christianity, called "the tree of life", what his followers must carry daily, in the form of martyrdom and self denial, when it is not literal.

But, my point being, those who crucified him, whether the people shouting out "crucify him", or physically contributing, or desiring it, those who made it possible, were acting as high priests....

It is clear, that is what brought the resurrection, if the claim is true, so to deny him the crucifixion, means no sins are atoned for, no resurrection...

So, they did him his greatest favor, and atoned for your sins, and Jesus would not be nearly as famous, popular.

So, shouldn't we be thanking them, not bashing the people that gave him his greatest service, and saved humanity, according to Christian theology?

 

[Spiderman]

God gave his son, premeditated, to be violently executed and humiliated.

It's hard to imagine those who contributed to his death were not doing the will of his father.

Or was his father's will that he should live a full life span and die of natural causes?

 

[Spiderman]

Anyway, I got falsely accused of flooding the hallway, because I turned off the hose and offered to help clean it up.

They assume with staff, "if you did this, you should have said something, before staff got here".

It was just I realized that with staff showing up, I might offer to help, and felt bad I went in to turn the water off, but didn't mop it up, because had I done so, it would have made me look guilty...

....but foolishly I go up and volunteer to help when staff shows up....I guess I was thinking someone else would take accountability.

I assume that is very minor a wrong done to me, compared to all the stuff I get away with, but taking the insult or punch for what someone else does, is tough work.

Of course I got defensive and said "check the cameras, for proof", but some saints would say it is more virtuous to not get angry about it.

I'm guilty of worse, and I suppose pride sometimes makes me defensive with anger, but being falsely accused makes me more defensive than if people speak obvious truth that I'm guilty of.

 

[Colt]

The levitical priesthood that slays the lamb had always been the one tribe that was given God alone , not land.

Jesus was called the lamb of God, and he made it clear that his crucifixion was his glory, and the cross, became the symbol for Christianity, called "the tree of life", what his followers must carry daily, in the form of martyrdom and self denial, when it is not literal.

But, my point being, those who crucified him, whether the people shouting out "crucify him", or physically contributing, or desiring it, those who made it possible, were acting as high priests....

It is clear, that is what brought the resurrection, if the claim is true, so to deny him the crucifixion, means no sins are atoned for, no resurrection...

So, they did him his greatest favor, and atoned for your sins, and Jesus would not be nearly as famous, popular.

So, shouldn't we be thanking them, not bashing the people that gave him his greatest service, and humanity, according to Christian theology?

You have a good point, but the atonement is a false doctrine which replaced the original pre-cross Gospel of the Kingdom.

 

[metis]

Jesus was executed by the Romans.

 

[1213]

...means no sins are atoned for, no resurrection...

Jesus had the right to forgive sins even before his death, so his death was not necessary for that.

And the scribes and Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who is able to forgive sins except God alone? But knowing their thoughts, answering Jesus said to them, Why do you reason in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, Your sins have been forgiven you, or to say, Rise up and walk? But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on the earth to forgive sins, He said to the paralytic, I say to you, Rise up, and take your cot and go to your house. And rising up at once before them, taking up that on which he was lying, he went to his house glorifying God.
Luuk. 5:21-25

 

[pearl]

Jesus was executed by the Romans.

Carried out by the Romans but with the approval of the Jewish establishment, not the Jews collectively.

 

[metis]

Carried out by the Romans but with the approval of the Jewish establishment, not the Jews collectively.

True, but it appears he did have some support within the Sanhedrin from some.

He would have the right to speak freely under Jewish Law, but there was also the fear within the Jewish community that if there was any hostility or threat of hostility that the Roman legions might be sent in, which they did later.

 

[Muffled]

I do not believe it was God's perfect will. His perfect will would be for everyone to act right.

 

[Muffled]

You have a good point, but the atonement is a false doctrine which replaced the original pre-cross Gospel of the Kingdom.

I suppose you think what Jesus said doesn't count?
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[pearl]

He would have the right to speak freely under Jewish Law, but there was also the fear within the Jewish community that if there was any hostility or threat of hostility that the Roman legions might be sent in, which they did later.

True, but I was referring to the close and interdependent relationship enjoyed by Pilate and Caiaphas in dealing with what might be
a Galilean troublemaker planning to start a Passover riot.

 

[Elihoenai]

The levitical priesthood that slays the lamb had always been the one tribe that was given God alone , not land.

Jesus was called the lamb of God, and he made it clear that his crucifixion was his glory, and the cross, became the symbol for Christianity, called "the tree of life", what his followers must carry daily, in the form of martyrdom and self denial, when it is not literal.

But, my point being, those who crucified him, whether the people shouting out "crucify him", or physically contributing, or desiring it, those who made it possible, were acting as high priests....

It is clear, that is what brought the resurrection, if the claim is true, so to deny him the crucifixion, means no sins are atoned for, no resurrection...

So, they did him his greatest favor, and atoned for your sins, and Jesus would not be nearly as famous, popular.

So, shouldn't we be thanking them, not bashing the people that gave him his greatest service, and saved humanity, according to Christian theology?

John 19:10-11

10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.


Yes, the Slaying of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is Elohim'/God's Will, otherwise it would Not have happened. Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God. The Levitical Priests have the Greater Sin than the Romans.

 

[Elihoenai]

God gave his son, premeditated, to be violently executed and humiliated.

It's hard to imagine those who contributed to his death were not doing the will of his father.

Or was his father's will that he should live a full life span and die of natural causes?

Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:


Yes, those that put Yeshua/Jesus to Death do the Will of the Father.

 

[Elihoenai]

Deuteronomy 28:48

48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.


Earthly Christians Naturally take Martyrdom of Yeshua/Jesus Literally, although only a Few Practice Desired Martyrdom.

Brother Yun is a Real Earthly Christian taking Martyrdom Literally and Practising Desired Martyrdom. If you listen to some of the stories that Brother Yun tells about his Persecution it will make you Wince and your Eyes Water.


Brother Yun

Liu Zhenying (Chinese: 刘振营; pinyin: Liú Zhènyíng), known as Brother Yun (Chinese: 云弟兄; pinyin: Yún Dìxiōng, literally "Brother Cloud"), born 1958, is an exiled Chinese Christian house church leader, evangelist, and proponent of the Back To Jerusalem movement. Brother Yun was involved in the Christian house church networks in China during the 1980s and 90s. Accounts about his life and ministry are to be found in his autobiography, The Heavenly Man.

Brother Yun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Given the Level of Persecution suffered by Brother Yun it would make me question whether Elohim/God is Displeased with my Christian Work, because this Christian was given into the Hands of his Enemies. A study of the Holy Scriptures/Bible Teaches in the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament that Elohim/God gave Israel into the hand of their Enemies when they Sinned and gave Protection Against and Dominion Over their Enemies when they Obeyed Elohim/God.

Happy to say I'm on the Receiving end of 24/7 Satanic Ritual Abuse, although the Persecution is Different from that experienced by Brother Yun.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

The levitical priesthood that slays the lamb had always been the one tribe that was given God alone , not land.

Jesus was called the lamb of God, and he made it clear that his crucifixion was his glory, and the cross, became the symbol for Christianity, called "the tree of life", what his followers must carry daily, in the form of martyrdom and self denial, when it is not literal.

But, my point being, those who crucified him, whether the people shouting out "crucify him", or physically contributing, or desiring it, those who made it possible, were acting as high priests....

It is clear, that is what brought the resurrection, if the claim is true, so to deny him the crucifixion, means no sins are atoned for, no resurrection...

So, they did him his greatest favor, and atoned for your sins, and Jesus would not be nearly as famous, popular.

So, shouldn't we be thanking them, not bashing the people that gave him his greatest service, and saved humanity, according to Christian theology?

You make some great points. Since Christians still see part of Christ as a man, he would have died eventually, but without the humiliation and torture he endured by the Romans, his history would have most likely been ignored after a few generations had past. Some people when they become martyrs are popular after their death, Jesus being the most popular example. But it isn't Jesus himself that made him famous but rather all the people who decided to follow His teachings after he died. If you become convinced that one religion is correct over all others, it is YOU and not Jesus nor the Romans that continue to spread his message.

Look at what happened to The Bab. He himself became a martyr during his mid-life but almost nobody remembers him, because Baha'u'llah took his teachings and transformed it instead in a way that could be viewed as a world religion. Imagine if someone did the same for Jesus. Jesus becomes a martyr but instead of the initial learners adopting Christianity, someone took His words, and composed a different religion from that. This is kind of what already happened with Catholicism and Protestant denominations, but I'm seeing a lot of Christians remove the politics of religion and instead focus on Jesus directly. They call themselves Christians over any other label you can use.

That is how powerful his message to gentiles became. He didn't need a translator or interpreter, and nobody stole the meanings of his messages.