Thoughts

[The Hammer]

"You might think you’re thinking your own thoughts. You’re not. You’re thinking your culture’s thoughts."

-Jiddu Krishnamurti

Are our thoughts ever our own?

Or are we always stuck regurgitating the thoughts of others? How does a new thought form from outside these constraints?

 

[The Hammer]

To add to this line of thought about thought.

"The major problems in the world are the result of the difference between how nature works and the way people think."

-Gregory Bateson

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That does seem like a potentially massive problem. I suppose I've sort of accepted the fact that I don't really think original thoughts, and am thoroughly influenced, whether I like it or not, by those from the past and present.

 

[JustGeorge]

"You might think you’re thinking your own thoughts. You’re not. You’re thinking your culture’s thoughts."

Jiddu Krishnamurti

Are our thoughts ever our own?

Or are we always stuck regurgitating the thoughts of others? How does a new thought form, from outside these constraints?

First, I think people have to stop and realize they're doing it; that they're just regurgitating their upbringing, their surroundings, their culture, their education... and that's a hard thing for many to admit, or even grasp.

And then the second trouble comes in reforming ideas that are one's very own...

Honestly, I think the 'new thoughts' that take over are just regurgitated thoughts from thinkers who have broken free(for better or for worse) of mainstream thought and were able to push their idea at just the right time for it to catch traction. Often times, this is good(think MLK or Gandhi), but sometimes its not(think of the drama and BS of recent White House years).

Just my own thoughts, of course, which are possibly regurgitated from somewhere else, and I'm not aware of it, either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Nothing of me is original. I am the combined efforts of everyone I've ever known."
-Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters.

 

[Viker]

The human race hasn't had an original thought in five to ten thousand years.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I think that "thought" is an emergent property of our minds. In watching my own mind do its thing, it is constantly playing and replaying looking for creative combinations or soumething new...and the thing is, yes, I'm entirely dependent on what others have said and done...at least those things that I've learned...and those things I've observed and learned using my own senses, etc....but it is entirely irrelevant to me that I may be combining or creating thoughts that are so constrained. If I have never thought of it before (and never seen or heard it before...or it's below my conscious functioning), then for me it's a wonderful new thought...

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think maybe we are like coral. Slowly adding things on bit by bit, until until the littlest equations sprawl out into some great, unique, reality. Mathematical though it is, and so then based on rules, it still eventually might evoke panoplies of color and beauty. Even if there is just a 'univeral grammar' (chomsky) that everything based on, that still doesn't mean that a engine like that is no unable produce something great, something just as good as novelty, if not something eventually to be considered truly novel. Over time

 

[Willamena]

"You might think you’re thinking your own thoughts. You’re not. You’re thinking your culture’s thoughts."

-Jiddu Krishnamurti

Are our thoughts ever our own?

Or are we always stuck regurgitating the thoughts of others? How does a new thought form from outside these constraints?

If you successfully divorce yourself from your culture, your thoughts cannot but be your own.

 

[The Hammer]

If you successfully divorce yourself from your culture, your thoughts cannot but be your own.

I don't think anyone can ever truly divorce themselves from Culture. Not completely. Only aspects of it.

 

[dybmh]

How does a new thought form from outside these constraints?

Necessity is the mother of invention.

The human race hasn't had an original thought in five to ten thousand years.

The combustion engine wasn't an original idea?

 

[Viker]

The combustion engine wasn't an original idea

Ancient Greeks thought of a steam engine. I don't think it ever became a thing. Automated transport seemed like a great idea going way back.

 

[Viswa]

"You might think you’re thinking your own thoughts. You’re not. You’re thinking your culture’s thoughts."

-Jiddu Krishnamurti

Are our thoughts ever our own?

Or are we always stuck regurgitating the thoughts of others? How does a new thought form from outside these constraints?

Why thoughts have to be my 'own'? What's the disliking happens on 'culture's or society's thoughts', so move away from it?

Why not stuck with thoughts of 'others' if it happens to be? What one loses in that stuck? Me? or My thoughts? or My precious 100 years of life I'm supposed to live free? What is the problem in culture we don't like, we want to escape from?

Is it the 'culture's thoughts' brings destruction to Humanity, and so I/we want to move away? If it so, Humanity came up from theory of Evolution, and one day going to extinct like Dinosaurs or many other rare species once lived. Why I'm so much attached to Humanity?

If all conflicts and culture's thoughts end, conflict will over and world peace gained and that's enough for me/we? Will not again a new culture or someday some thousands years after might grow? Will not Humanity comes to extinction one day when the Mother Earth's temperature and etc., became unstable? On that time what Humanity will do? What humanity will do for Animals and Plants and every living beings, when the Earth one day supposed to go destructive like all other planets and stars? Even if greenish achieved and conflicts over, one day destruction will happen, say even after million/billion years and the same fear happens and peace will vanish. What to do then? Find another Planet? What if that another planet also goes to extinction even after million years?

Go on finding and desiring physical pleasures endlessly peacefully without conflict and achieve those physical desires and derive pleasure from it without fight, that's what Humanity seeks?

Note - Is this all above - my own thoughts or culture's? Or going to become 'culture's'?