Throw Grandma in Jail and Throw Away the Key?

[Kenny]

All these individuals should be looking at no less than a decade in prison. Preferably at Guantanamo. That includes the cretinous GOP politicians involved in this failed coup. Patriots my aunt fanny.

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

 

[Debater Slayer]

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

The U.S. is not a theocracy, nor, in my opinion, should any respectable nation be one.

A considerable portion of fundamentalist Christians are approving of legally punishing women who have abortions, even in cases of rape, and banning same-sex marriage. It would seem their mercy only manifests when it aligns with their ideological and political preferences.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It does seem overkill.
I suspect it's because she was filming the cops and that is becoming increasingly criminalized.
But opposing your god, or any god, should always be legal and blasphemy must always be a right. No gods have any proper place in a proper state.

 

[InChrist]

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

From my understanding, this grandmother also is fighting cancer. I have a friend who had a serious injury to her hand two years ago. She had the first two surgeries of three. She has not been able to get the third surgery because her hand surgeon specialist is in jail. This has affected many other patients, as well.
He was arrested while walking to his car on January 6th and has been in jail ever since. He did not enter the Capital, nor was he anywhere near the building area where the rioting occurred.

 

[Kenny]

The U.S. is not a theocracy, nor, in my opinion, should any respectable nation be one.

A considerable portion of fundamentalist Christians are approving of legally punishing women who have abortions, even in cases of rape, and banning same-sex marriage. It would seem their mercy only manifests when it aligns with their ideological and political preferences.

I'm not saying that the US is a theocracy.

Just that how interesting it is on how much people complain about how unmerciful God is towards people when He is extending mercy and how unmerciful people can be when others cry out "why not give grandma mercy"

 

[InChrist]

The U.S. is not a theocracy, nor, in my opinion, should any respectable nation be one.

A considerable portion of fundamentalist Christians are approving of legally punishing women who have abortions, even in cases of rape, and banning same-sex marriage. It would seem their mercy only manifests when it aligns with their ideological and political preferences.

I don’t think the OP is promoting a theocracy in the U.S. He simply seems to be asking why people are so okay with harshly punishing those who are thought to be insurrectionists against human governments (in this case the US government) yet many see no problem or inconsistency with revolting against the Ruler of the universe.
At least that’s how I read it.

 

[Kenny]

From my understanding, this grandmother also is fighting cancer. I have a friend who had a serious injury to her hand two years ago. She had the first two surgeries of three. She has not been able to get the third surgery because her hand surgeon specialist is in jail. This has affected many other patients, as well.
He was arrested while walking to his car on January 6th and has been in jail ever since. He did not enter the Capital, nor was he anywhere near the building area where the rioting occurred.

And still with no due process of a court date...

BUT, as I have heard so many people express, "SEND THEM ALL TO JAIL"... without consideration.

To me it seems like that which in our faith God says "He hates unjust weights."

 

[Kenny]

I don’t think the OP is promoting a theocracy in the U.S. He simply seems to be asking why people are so okay with harshly punishing those who are thought to be insurrectionists against human governments (in this case the US government) yet many see no problem or inconsistency with revolting against the Ruler of the universe.
At least that’s how I read it.

You expressed so well. Thank you.

 

[InChrist]

And still with no due process of a court date...

BUT, as I have heard so many people express, "SEND THEM ALL TO JAIL"... without consideration.

To me it seems like that which in our faith God says "He hates unjust weights."

So true.
I look forward to Christ making things right and exercising justice properly...


...For He is coming to judge the earth. With righteousness He shall judge the world, And the peoples with equity.
Psalm 98:9

 

[danieldemol]

I'm not saying that the US is a theocracy.

Just that how interesting it is on how much people complain about how unmerciful God is towards people when He is extending mercy and how unmerciful people can be when others cry out "why not give grandma mercy"

So you are picking on petty humans as whataboutery for your God... interesting.

In my opinion.

 

[Callisto]

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

Is there really such a thing as a "small infraction" when people convened for reasons that are antithetical to patriotism? I suppose when her actions are compared to some others, ok, but the fact remains these people were there to disrupt democracy and collectively, big and small infractions alike, were part of a failed coup.

There should be a zero-tolerance policy to ensure this kind of attack is less likely to occur. Or at the least any "sweet old granmas with sterling records" think twice about participating in something they don't want to pay the consequences for when it blows up in their faces.

As for God, last time I heard he wasn't an elected government official, and the laws by which society agrees to abide by are manmade laws. That pesky Establishment Clause, I know. But... "thank God"... those laws are there. They just need to be better enforced.

 

[Revoltingest]

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

I don't think that granny needed prison, probation, & a fine
to learn her lesson. But punishment is also a message to
the masses: Behave, or you get the pokey.

 

[Revoltingest]

The U.S. is not a theocracy, nor, in my opinion, should any respectable nation be one.

A considerable portion of fundamentalist Christians are approving of legally punishing women who have abortions, even in cases of rape, and banning same-sex marriage. It would seem their mercy only manifests when it aligns with their ideological and political preferences.

If these Christians believe the sins of providing or getting
abortion are major crimes, then to severely punish the
guilty doesn't necessarily mean a lack of mercy.
We secular types severely punish murder & robbery cuz
we consider those to be major crimes.
So consider that believers & nons have different ideas
about just what is a crime, & what isn't.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Pam Hemphill, who had flown to Washington, D.C. from Idaho on Jan. 5 to support Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, had pushed through police lines three different times as the crowd outside the Capitol grew increasingly violent. She also encouraged her fellow rioters to push their way inside the building, and she was later seen inside the Rotunda itself.

Prosecutors say that when police offered to help her, Hemphill exaggerated her injuries in an effort to distract officers from more violent protestors.

Idaho Woman, 69, Gets Jail Time After 'Needlessly' Distracting Police on Jan. 6

Isn't there some commandment or something against bearing false witness?

Did you misrepresent this case deliberately, or were you duped by a false report?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don’t think the OP is promoting a theocracy in the U.S. He simply seems to be asking why people are so okay with harshly punishing those who are thought to be insurrectionists against human governments (in this case the US government) yet many see no problem or inconsistency with revolting against the Ruler of the universe.
At least that’s how I read it.

You expressed so well. Thank you.

Seems to me that human governments have the wherewithal to exact whatever punishments they deem appropriate for infractions against whatever laws they have thought fit to enact.

If the "Ruler of the universe" lacks that ability, that's His own problem. Don't try to run everything if you haven't got the means to do it, would be my advice to Him.

 

[Kenny]

So true.
I look forward to Christ making things right and exercising justice properly...


...For He is coming to judge the earth. With righteousness He shall judge the world, And the peoples with equity.
Psalm 98:9

So true... and yet I thank Him for the mercy He extends to all that come to Him.

 

[F1fan]

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

What is your argument that she shouldn't get a sentence? All you offer here is that you don't like it. Who cares?

She broke the law, she went to court, she got a sentence. What's wrong with that?

 

[Stonetree]

Paraphrasing.. Give onto Caesar that which is Caesar's.....Give unto God that which is God's

 

[F1fan]

From my understanding, this grandmother also is fighting cancer. I have a friend who had a serious injury to her hand two years ago. She had the first two surgeries of three. She has not been able to get the third surgery because her hand surgeon specialist is in jail. This has affected many other patients, as well.
He was arrested while walking to his car on January 6th and has been in jail ever since. He did not enter the Capital, nor was he anywhere near the building area where the rioting occurred.

If she was well enough to go to the Capitol for a protest of a valid election, only because she believed Trump's lie the it wasn't, then she is well enough for jail for 3 months for her crimes.

 

[74x12]

@It Aint Necessarily So , @Revoltingest, @F1fan , @Secret Chief , @Subduction Zone

Just as a point of reference...

Here we have a grandmother of 60+ years who has lived a stellar life but was taking pictures while police waved people into the Capitol and now is going to spend 3 months in jail.

OK.

Legally, the judge has every right to do so. I cry out for mercy but "no" is the answer. Rather, it had been mentioned, "They were already lenient and if anything it should have been a harsher judgement". (Paraphrased)

So... fine... it is within the law, but it made me think.

Such a small infraction in the name of "insurrection against the Government!

As my signature details and in my view, here we have people who have committed many more crimes than this Grandmother, voice insurrection against the Government of God, but it is wrong if those who are against God receive a sentence? When it is God Himself that says "I want to give mercy -- please receive it. I don't want anyone to perish!"

But the response is "NO - I don't believe in your government, your right to execute what is with judicial privilege and the ultimate judge"

"UNJUST" people cry! How could a God be so mean...

And, yet, we want Grandma in jail.

Is that unequal weights? Why is it different? (Within the Christian context)

Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.