It all depends upon what a person does during the riot.
Clearly, many BLM types do deserve prosecution & punishment.
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Throw Grandma in Jail and Throw Away the Key?
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Clearly, many BLM types do deserve prosecution & punishment.
Well Trump's far right administration could have done this, but didn't. Some cities did arrest white supremacists who caused some of the fires and riots to tarnish the BLM movement and protests against police brutality. The riots were a small art of the many hundreds of protests nationally. Of course the far right wants to focus on these and part of their racist agenda. Of course the far right doesn't agree that black lives matter.
At least protesting police brutality is a legitimate cause, unlike protesting a legitimate election result that Trump lied about.
InChrist
Free4ever
It’s not an excuse, just reality. God cannot contradict or go against His own Nature or His eternal design of humanity and the universe. The scriptures are clear that SIN has corrupted this world bringing upon it the suffering we see; sadly including children with cancer. But as I previously said, God’s plan is eternal, not alleviating all suffering in this present temporary world. One’s eternal destiny is the priority.
InChrist
Free4ever
I will address this, though KenS may have a better response.
According to the scriptures, God doesn’t “keep a soul alive for the
sole purpose of gratuitously tormenting it forever for not sufficiently submitting to a particular religion's doctrine”, as you seem to mistakenly believe. For one thing, God created eternal beings. When God created humans in His image and breathed spiritual life into us, we became eternal beings with an eternal destiny. Eternal beings cannot just be ended or annihilated.
Secondly, people do not suffer eternal damnation for refusing a certain religious doctrine. People suffer self-inflicted torment for refusing eternal life, for rejecting their Creator the only Source of life, goodness, love, beauty, and joy. Life in an eternity apart from God is empty, endless, lonely suffering. But God desires that none should perish to such a state separated from His light and love. Yet, He will not force anyone into heaven. It’s our choice.
Life has many choices.
Eternity has two.
So if God designs the universe in a way that some children are born with defects that cause cancers then God can't change that? That is a limitation for God, and it is not all powerful.
Sin exists because god created that as part of the design, so God is accountable for the lottery of life where some children are born with genes that cause cancers. So parents should not pray to God for a miracle, as you admit, God is powerless. So why worship this God?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Justifications that don't change the facts. And it wasn't a small part of the BLM movement. It was common and widespread violence. And it was the local governments in places like Portland that kept letting the criminals loose.
InChrist
Free4ever
God did not design a universe in a way that some children are born with defects or cancer. According to the scriptures, God designed a universe in which everything was good. God designed the earth which was a paradise; the beautiful garden of Eden. All was good. God GAVE humanity stewardship over the earth. Humans were supposed to listen to God’s wisdom and take care of the earth and love one another. Instead, humans rebelled, sinned and brought disease, violence, and destruction upon this world. Humans are responsible. As I said God’s goal is eternal, He is not going to fix humanity mistakes, sins and resulting damage. Rather, let people learn the consequences of sin, as He freely offers forgiveness and a transformed life through Christ and a perfect eternity free of pain, sickness, or tears in the new heaven and earth.
Sometimes, God does intervene and miraculously heal. So praying is important and not in vain. But as Jesus prayed to the Father, “ Your will be done”, because He sees the eternal picture and knows the best answer for each situation.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You do realize that "riots" were the minority when it came to the BLM protests, don't you? If you can't admit that then you are so terribly ignorant about the BLM protests then you are have no point.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please, you appear to be refuting yourself by implying that the Garden of Eden myth is true.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That's not even an argument. It's just a false claim that doesn't change anything.
They still should be in prison with grandma or else grandma should be released.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is actually. You just demonstrated that you do not know what you are talking about.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No... that would be you.
Fact: there were far more violent acts during the BLM riots than the so called insurrection. And most of the perpetrators got off Scott free or with a wrist slap.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Guess what, the vast majority of the rioters at the insurrection got off scot-free too. And now you are also using the logical fallacy of "What about-ism" You are only telling us that granny was in the wrong when you use that argument. And worse yet, even the worst of the rioters is only getting a "wrist slap" for their crimes. Three months only in jail. For being a part of an attempt to overthrow the government of the US. That is an incredibly soft wrist slap.
Why? This is where you go off the rails.
You say BLM people committed acts of vandalism and violence. You say they should be in prison. You say that they were not prosecuted for crimes they committed. And that is injustice.
Ok, let’s pretend all this is true. Now you look at this injustice and declare what we need is more injustice.
People who commit crimes should go to jail. This is not a game.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You really don't understand that you can't just apply this concept of justice to certain situations and certain causes or it's not justice at all?
The Garden story is a myth, not history. But let's assume it is true for the sake of debate, why didn't God create Adam and Eve capable of obedience and could withstand temptation? Certainly off a God is erfect it can make beings mature and responsible enough to follow the rules, but God didn't. God knew it would make beings that could no resist temptation and the Garden fell.
If you disagree, why are you saying that God couldn't make beings that would follow the rules he set?
The 11th commandment? If they did it then so can I?
There were protests all over the world for this cause. There were millions of people protesting. There was some violence here and there with so many people in so many places. The estimates was that 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. And as I noted police brutality is a real thing, the election fraud was itself a fraud, and the Jan 6 protesters were fools to be duped.
So we have free will but we get punished if we use it? How is that free will?
Great... praying in a particular way in a particular church might be useful.
We need equal justice. Not equal injustice.
If you let people get away with this stuff it just keeps happening. Maybe next time it will be the Dems, or Antifa, or BLM, or that new Forward party. If you want to stop this from happening again put these guys in jail now. Stop thinking of reasons not to.